Rogue Wave: The Full Guide

[sin099]

On 6/30/2019 at 12:10 AM, Toivia said:

Which ships are you playing? The first 2 tiers are easily making credits. If the third is losing credits, it means you should alternate ships.

The *** ranked ships so stealthedo, seascythe and rumble (?)  even with decent results those ships bleed money without premium which is BS for a for fun mode (5-6 kills to get into even/positive numbers without premium).

 

The ships (* ** ***) should have been a different variations on base style(torp, secondary, guns) styles of play - big wasted opportunity there.

 

Yeah true you can make money by starting and even just suicide with * and ** ships (that will for sure encourage healthy gameplay - like now people just launching and getting their 55k baseline for doing +- nothing in * ship...).  So i really wish that the economic BS from tech tree that was designed to drive sales of permanent cammos and premium (lets not kid ourselves that's the main reason why T10 cost 180k "service" fee, and possibly one of the reasons T8s need to be the fodder for T10 MM) didn't infect modes that come for events.

 

 

[Raziel_Walker]

1250 doubloons for 15 fuel tokens seems a bit harsh when you need 800 to buy the Benham...

Even if you can get a discount by quitting your day job and just playing as many savage games as possible.

[Fesvil]

I am sorry to say I'm amazed at the greed and lack of understanding of even basic economy. A company is made to make money, you work to earn money, you buy what you want with money and in the end the circle is complete. Nothing is free, you have to invest time to get what you want for "free" where as I bet you don't give away your time without something in return, in this case the "return" is the ability to get the T5 DD HILL for a bit of work every week, you don't have to do the savage battles AT ALL to get it, there are missions in each directive that are not related to the event and will not even 2-3 hours every day to do it. I did all the missions the first day, and played less than 4 hours. 

 

What I think people misunderstand and probably is why they get mad is the anticipation of getting something for virtually nothing, a T9 DD for nothing? Missouri was expensive back then at 750k free EXP, that was before dragon flags and camouflages were abundant, now, the "free" T9 ships are a cool million free exp, with dragon flags/camouflages, ranked and in particular clan battles that's super easy and fast to get (2-3 seasons and you're there, with a semi active clan, not got a clan? Join one! Really, join one!). If you look at the effort  to get 1.000.000 free exp or, well let's go back to 750.000 free exp for a "free" T9 ship (as this is a DD and as such cheaper (why? I cannot understand why a BB costs more than a DD in the premium shop)), that would require A LOT more effort than these missions (totally unrealistic, but lets say you earn 2k exp (thats 100 free exp) per match, to get 750 THOUSAND you need 7500 matches!!!!!, with PAPAPAPA you need 2500 ish. And you can add flags to your hearts content and get it much faster, but it'll still be a grind!

 

The Big ussue is the 48 out of 50 daily quest chains you need to complete, if you play every day, you 'll get that easy, but you'll have to invest 2-3 hours, is it worth it? For me ? No, but I'll happily supply the game makers with cold cash to buy me free of the required time.. It's not pay to win, it's pay to reduce invested time. I skip a night out on the town with friends to instead do a night with friends eating pizza and drinking beer watching a movie (that'll save me over twice what I spent on containers), prioritise your investments... 

 

Now, sorry if I offended anyone, that was never my intention, but I'm saddened by the greed I feel flourish in here. Call me naive if you need to, I don't care. In the end it is a simple question with a not so simple answer: Is it worth it? Yes (for now, that's what I feel).

 

Have a nice summer!

 

[Fesvil]

On 6/28/2019 at 7:59 PM, hjsteg said:

So you spent more than 130 euros on the event on the first day. GJ! This behavior is exactly what Wargaming wants. Your action is promoting mindless grindfest events like this. Congratulations!

Mindless? Get in a division and play and have a VERY fun time. The stupidity of allowing a division of 3 to play in this mode is the only gripe I have. If you want to complain about mindless grind fest then I suppose you're one of those that continuously skip lines by free exp'ing to the top? Becaus what else is going from Tier 1 to Tier 10? 

 

This event is what you make of it, nothing is free, I keep pushing that agenda, but people ain't paying attention because they for some odd reason think they are royally entitled to getting what ever they desire for minimal effort, the world rarely works like that. Having played world of warcraft for 6-7 years I can say the "grind" for Benham is NOTHING, it's only gripe is a pretty tight time frame, then the seasons in WOW had that too (albeit easier).

 

I'm not saying one shouldn't comment on issues, but people complain about minimal issues.. Getting Benham for 7500 doubloons is what I suppose most will do, and that does NOT require the 48 of 50 containers, that requires you to play the game and have fun as you probably would, but it also requires you to  play a mode you might not like (if so, you have to pay, it's only fair). 7500 doubloons is 235 NOK, about 24-25€, if that's too much for a T9 premium + potentially camouflages, coal, credit, captain exp, camouflages or what not, well that's ENTIRELY up to you. 

 

I don't complain that I think a Ferrari is WAY to expensive by sending letters or posting on Ferrari forums, I can chose to save money (grind) to get it, that's a grind indeed. But there are other things I want before a Ferrari.. :-)

 

Steg, join us online, we're both Norwegians, we both frequent on the same forums and server. Try out divisions, if you need an invite to our Discord, no problemo :-).

 

Guys, make a decision regarding your goal, work to it, get it, know what it'll cost before you start out and you'll never be disappointed!

 

Now go farm that Benham..!!

 

(The Hill is fun, (I don't have the time to do the last two directives, but am a noob and as such bought it) and if you want to have some extra tokens (play it once a day for 3 tokens) it's not a bad investment..

 

Hope you get a nice summer vacation!!!!

[anunnak]

The third part of the event with Path to liberty  - 20.000 k free exp for every class is just insane. The missions in this third part are very hard.

[Toivia]

6 hours ago, sin099 said:

The *** ranked ships so stealthedo, seascythe and rumble (?)  even with decent results those ships bleed money without premium which is BS for a for fun mode (5-6 kills to get into even/positive numbers without premium).

 

The ships (* ** ***) should have been a different variations on base style(torp, secondary, guns) styles of play - big wasted opportunity there.

 

Yeah true you can make money by starting and even just suicide with * and ** ships (that will for sure encourage healthy gameplay - like now people just launching and getting their 55k baseline for doing +- nothing in * ship...).  So i really wish that the economic BS from tech tree that was designed to drive sales of permanent cammos and premium (lets not kid ourselves that's the main reason why T10 cost 180k "service" fee, and possibly one of the reasons T8s need to be the fodder for T10 MM) didn't infect modes that come for events.

 

 

I see, don't have a 3star ship yet myself. Then again even the 2star ones gain you credits even without premium and as far as I can see, those are relatively ompetitive with the top tier ones.

I guess they realised the game needs a credit sink. Was gonna propose selling some premium/freemium/whatever ships for say 100 million credits, or 200 million, or 500 million myself because you tend to accumulate really large amounts that have virtually no use.

3 hours ago, Fesvil said:

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You are correct and I hope at least some people understand that time is a currency as well. The reason I am pissed at WG is precisely the mission you mention as well: Getting 48 daily missions done out of 50 during the event. I find that is simply too severe because a person can sink in a tremendous amount of time into the game, grind as mad and still end up with say only 47 missions done for any number of reasons (server issues, anyone? Those happened 3 times in the last month afaik and would easily stop someone from completing any daily missions). And not only can a small issue wreak havoc with your fuel earning plans, you cannot even easily fix it with a small purchase either. Take Cossack, if you grinded everything (which honestly was much easier than this event - you had a week for every directive and nothing else was mandatory), you still had to make a purchase, but an almost negligable one. BUT, even if you happened to skip on a directive (maybe even several, my memory isn't that great) - which means you could miss over a week of grinding, that same one small purchase was enough to complete the Cossack grind.

If you fail the 48/50 mission, you'll be missing more than 50 fuel tokens. Getting 50 fuel tokens requires bying 4 containers which by itself is 16 times as expensive as that small bundle requires for Cossack. Let me repeat: sixteen times as much money required to fix a small mistake on the fuel token grind compared with the Cossack grind.

That is simply outrageous in my mind. Just imagine we accept this and they multiply requirement another 16 times for the next event. I don't care if the reward will be the most OP ship in existence, that is simply not good practice and that's why I'm angry despote thinking Benham is also very strong and technically it is possible to earn it fully only with ingame time. Simply put: "The line must be drawn here. This far and no further."

[sin099]

The 3 ships in a line play virtually same but with noticeable improvements - imo big wasted oportunity, would have been better 1 tier of more play stiles.

 

Octopus is few classes above the other two (my opinion, both in fun and usability at least till ***) - kinda bad for the mode.

 

To a veteran credits is not really noticeable but for new people - which will screw them in several ways: worse ships (less fun, worse stats), slower progress in credits, dailies (which will force them out of the mode), and directives.

 

 

[Toivia]

Personally, the gunboats - Barracuda, I think - are far above all else, because you cannot dodge well aimed gun salvoes. Then the Octopus, cause if you have to rely on torps, atleast have decent torps. And last the Eel. Cause you really have nothing to rely on.

[Fesvil]

4 hours ago, Toivia said:

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well, T9 is more than A T8. One could even argue cossack is worse than lightning. Benham is something completely new, a US torpedo boat, and fun to play... OP? Not really, squishy as hell, good AA, but nothing extraordinary. I agree on the line being drawn here, I'ld rather they do what they did in WoT, where you could get a half decent T8 premium for free or you could reach milestones that each gave 10% off the price. Or like they do in WoWp, where you can buy tokens that allow you to skip missions, some more expensive than others to skip. Lot's of ways to solve this, but I for one don't really like that everything in the game is obtainable for free, which it in theory has almost been up until now, I like the thought that you get discounts, if you put your back into it you can get 90% discount, but the last 10% you really had to pay for with real money not doubloons..

 

But hey, was hoping for a summer sale of sorts..... Was hoping they would bring back the old way of doubloon compensation when you bought a ship you had , a way to get doubloons with discount, for those that actually did invest money in the game..

 

 

[Toivia]

Afaik Cossack is considered one of the best T8 DDs. Personally I have no reservations about it.

(About whether Cossack is worse than Lightning, I wouldn't agree. It trades a torp launcher for more gunpower and a speed boost. And the one torp launcher it gets launches longer range much faster reloading torps you can still launch individually. Honestly I'd pick Cossack over Lightning every day.)

 

But again, I'm fine with having to invest something in the premium shop if you just cannot fully complete missions (personally I do welcome the ability to get some rewards entirely for free - which usually is mated with some serious grinding), it's how expensive that investment is in the case of Benham that I cannot agree with.

The moment you screw something slightly with the event, you have to fork out a fourth of the price of other T9 premiums they sell in the premium shop. Working hard on the game for a month to still be forced to pay the equivalent of 25% of a T9 premium ship price for a T9 reward ship seems over the top. Heck you can get full T6 ships for that price.

[Fesvil]

5 hours ago, Toivia said:

Afaik Cossack is considered one of the best T8 DDs. Personally I have no reservations about it.

(About whether Cossack is worse than Lightning, I wouldn't agree. It trades a torp launcher for more gunpower and a speed boost. And the one torp launcher it gets launches longer range much faster reloading torps you can still launch individually. Honestly I'd pick Cossack over Lightning every day.)

 

But again, I'm fine with having to invest something in the premium shop if you just cannot fully complete missions (personally I do welcome the ability to get some rewards entirely for free - which usually is mated with some serious grinding), it's how expensive that investment is in the case of Benham that I cannot agree with.

The moment you screw something slightly with the event, you have to fork out a fourth of the price of other T9 premiums they sell in the premium shop. Working hard on the game for a month to still be forced to pay the equivalent of 25% of a T9 premium ship price for a T9 reward ship seems over the top. Heck you can get full T6 ships for that price.

The dude claiming it's 20k free exp is wrong, it's base exp, not that that's much better (as you can't boost it). 20k base exp is about 15-20 matches in BB's, DD,'s CV's and CC's EACH.. That's a fair grind, but if you combine "normal" game modes and savage mode you can rather easy make even the fourth directive without too much effort. Getting Benham for normal play plus some savage play is worth it if you ask me..  That nets you T5 DD HILL totally for free and a ton of tokens, then you hopefully have done some daily chains (that'll net you 6 per day), but if you cannot be arsed to do the resource hunt in savage mode, then I don't feel free bad for you. You have the possibility, if you don't want to, don't.. What I loathe is people complaining that they have to play a specific mode they don't like in order to get something. Simply put, they just want to get it the way they want it, the world doesn't work like that, I would love to get paid millions to do my job, but my job ain't got that salary.. Should I complain to my boss for that? Jeeze.. Grow up, make a choice and stick with it!

 

This is the most grindy event yet, I agree, it's also the one with the strangest rewards, strange in the sense you cannot use tokens for much sensible but camo, credits and Benham, not the special camos, not the normal, but special captains.. THAT's what I find disappointing.

 

I suppose I mean if you want somehting for virtually playing as "normal", perhaps with a bit of sacrifice playing savage mode just to do the easy missions on the weekly directives, you can get something rather cheaply, T5.

 

Of course, investing more (should me much more, which it is, but perhaps a tad bit too much) time, perhaps money and you might end up with a T9..

 

[Toivia]

46 minutes ago, Fesvil said:

The dude claiming it's 20k free exp is wrong, it's base exp, not that that's much better (as you can't boost it). 20k base exp is about 15-20 matches in BB's, DD,'s CV's and CC's EACH.. That's a fair grind, but if you combine "normal" game modes and savage mode you can rather easy make even the fourth directive without too much effort. Getting Benham for normal play plus some savage play is worth it if you ask me..  That nets you T5 DD HILL totally for free and a ton of tokens, then you hopefully have done some daily chains (that'll net you 6 per day), but if you cannot be arsed to do the resource hunt in savage mode, then I don't feel free bad for you. You have the possibility, if you don't want to, don't.. What I loathe is people complaining that they have to play a specific mode they don't like in order to get something. Simply put, they just want to get it the way they want it, the world doesn't work like that, I would love to get paid millions to do my job, but my job ain't got that salary.. Should I complain to my boss for that? Jeeze.. Grow up, make a choice and stick with it!

 

This is the most grindy event yet, I agree, it's also the one with the strangest rewards, strange in the sense you cannot use tokens for much sensible but camo, credits and Benham, not the special camos, not the normal, but special captains.. THAT's what I find disappointing.

 

I suppose I mean if you want somehting for virtually playing as "normal", perhaps with a bit of sacrifice playing savage mode just to do the easy missions on the weekly directives, you can get something rather cheaply, T5.

 

Of course, investing more (should me much more, which it is, but perhaps a tad bit too much) time, perhaps money and you might end up with a T9..

 

Umm, did you want to respond to me? I think you mistook threads or something.

Never talked about any freeXP or baseXP myself. Didn't even complain about savage battles other than you rarely manage to get dailies done with them (since you are unlikely to win). And I have no problem with the directives, those are the easiest part of the whole grind in general.

[Fesvil]

2 minutes ago, Toivia said:

Umm, did you want to respond to me? Cause I have no idea what you're talking about. Never talked about any freeXP or baseXP. Didn't even complain about savage battles other than you rarely manage to get dailies done with them (since you areunlikely to win). And I have no problem with the directives, those are the easiest part of the whole grind in general.

Uhm, sorry the comment about Base and free exp was for @anunnak .. In general I quoted you because you were the last to reply to the thread.. my bad :-). And yeah, daily wins are neigh on impossible unless you run a 3man div, then it's about 75-80% WR.. it's crazy how OP it is to run a 3 man div and focus fire down a group of 3 non divisioned players..

[anunnak]

On 7/2/2019 at 7:33 PM, Fesvil said:

Uhm, sorry the comment about Base and free exp was for @anunnak .. In general I quoted you because you were the last to reply to the thread.. my bad :-). And yeah, daily wins are neigh on impossible unless you run a 3man div, then it's about 75-80% WR.. it's crazy how OP it is to run a 3 man div and focus fire down a group of 3 non divisioned players..

 

@Fesvil 

[Khalmos]

I agree it's insanely hard for the time given. I mean it's "just" for winning a T5 premium (with a camo), the Texas is far easier to obtain at the same period, did they screw something ?

[DanSilverwing]

@Fesvil @anunnak

 

The Directives in the third part are for Free XP. The Directives in the fourth and final part are Base XP. 

 

So you're both correct and honour is satisfied.

[hjsteg]

On 7/1/2019 at 5:12 PM, Fesvil said:

Mindless? Get in a division and play and have a VERY fun time. The stupidity of allowing a division of 3 to play in this mode is the only gripe I have. If you want to complain about mindless grind fest then I suppose you're one of those that continuously skip lines by free exp'ing to the top? Becaus what else is going from Tier 1 to Tier 10? 

 

This event is what you make of it, nothing is free, I keep pushing that agenda, but people ain't paying attention because they for some odd reason think they are royally entitled to getting what ever they desire for minimal effort, the world rarely works like that. Having played world of warcraft for 6-7 years I can say the "grind" for Benham is NOTHING, it's only gripe is a pretty tight time frame, then the seasons in WOW had that too (albeit easier).

 

I'm not saying one shouldn't comment on issues, but people complain about minimal issues.. Getting Benham for 7500 doubloons is what I suppose most will do, and that does NOT require the 48 of 50 containers, that requires you to play the game and have fun as you probably would, but it also requires you to  play a mode you might not like (if so, you have to pay, it's only fair). 7500 doubloons is 235 NOK, about 24-25€, if that's too much for a T9 premium + potentially camouflages, coal, credit, captain exp, camouflages or what not, well that's ENTIRELY up to you. 

 

I don't complain that I think a Ferrari is WAY to expensive by sending letters or posting on Ferrari forums, I can chose to save money (grind) to get it, that's a grind indeed. But there are other things I want before a Ferrari.. :-)

 

Steg, join us online, we're both Norwegians, we both frequent on the same forums and server. Try out divisions, if you need an invite to our Discord, no problemo :-).

 

 

It has been and still is a mindless grind. Press battle, die fast, rinse and repeat. But you do get real progress. Problem is besides the time gates is that the mode is not fun. I do not have the time to schedule up in divisions. As some of us do have vacations, yes we Norwegians usually have vacation in July, it is extra difficult to play each day. I am simply not able to do it.

 

Darn that requirement with the USS Hill that you can only do one fuel token mission per day. That is blatantly stupid and the reason for me not buying the ship for "real cash". I do not undestand why the Hill's fuel token missions are done like this. Why not just 25 missions, and you can do all in one day. I understand that the Hill you can win is limited to one mission a day, but the one you can buy with "real" cash? 

 

I do not free XP ships or modules. I did that years ago. Remember when the Japanese DD-split came, I did free XP up to tier 8. I still regret that to this day. Sitting at 2.3 million free XP says I am not using my free XP to buy anything but Free XP ships. I am not sure what free XP ships to buy, Yoshino or Alaska or both, or perhaps none. They delayed the Alaska *forever* so I lost interest in it. Azuma do not tempt me, as they introduced Yoshino. But then again, I have so may premiums. No hurry buying coal or free XP ships.

 

Time gate is fine, but then they should give us the option to buy the fuel tokens. Say a premium tier IX ship is 70 euros. Then for 70 euros you *should* be able to buy enough tokens to buy the ship outright from the start. This is not the case, and I think that is wrong. It also adds extra pressure to the players, and is not "comfortable" as some of the Wargaming guys say they think the game should be. Instead fuel tokens are only sold in very expensive containers at more than twice the price of other purchasable tier IX ships. That feels wrong.

 

Currently at 519 fuel tokens, and hope I can get a few more so the cost will not be that high. Still, think the better deal (for the players and Wargamings earnings) would be to be able to buy fuel tokens at a realistic price that would seem fair for all.

 

I remember (not foundly) the grind on WOT that gave me the T-44-100 tank. It was a grind that truly burned me out, and a contributing factor to my last game in WOT was in october lasy year. I must add I got so fed up by the marathon that I never did play the T-44-100. I do not mind grinds, but I mind the time gate approach.

[Afghanicus]

The third part of the event is intentionally stupidly HARD.

 

First they give you easy mission so you spend all the time needed to complete them because you know it's doable.

 

Then when you have collected around 500 fuel tokens (most of the guys I believe) then they drop a super hard missions so you cannot complete them at all. But they are playing with psychology that you have more than half needed for 'Benham' and that you will spend some real cash in obtaining premium crates to get fuel tokens that you're missing.

 

Same happened with Lazo when I was just about to get it when they switched from one type of tokens to another.

 

Yeah, sure - you can spend money and have fun or whatever but the greedy system they are making it's disgusting if you ask me and for such greedy guys I wouldn't drop a penny.

 

 

P.S. Since I know I will never get the 800 tokens without spending real cash (which I will never do as long as WG is so greedy) I'm not even trying. Playing this event as a non-premium is actually wasting credits. A lot. I just played a game where I won, sank 3 ships and made a lot of damage. Guess what - I lost like 50k on that game. I can only imagine how much I'd lose if I played bad which happens more often than not.

 

It's like an event for premiums only, for the guys that spend real cash. The rest cannot play unless they are ready to bleed A LOT of credits.

[KillStealBoss]

On 7/7/2019 at 11:15 PM, Khalmos said:

I agree it's insanely hard for the time given. I mean it's "just" for winning a T5 premium (with a camo), the Texas is far easier to obtain at the same period, did they screw something ?

Well it's not only because of the Hill. Mainly because of Benham. So casual player won't get it for free. 

[Afghanicus]

4 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

Well it's not only because of the Hill. Mainly because of Benham. So casual player won't get it for free. 

Casual players? Could you please give us a definition of a 'casual player' and enlighten us?

[KillStealBoss]

1 hour ago, Palubarac said:

Casual players? Could you please give us a definition of a 'casual player' and enlighten us?

Casual is the one who plays mostly on weekends and sometimes on week days. Weekly plays 25-30 battles. 

[MrFingers]

6 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Weekly plays 25-30 battles. 

I reach that... So I'm not a casual... But I can't devote each and every day to WoWS, so according to WG, I'm a "lesser person". They value 40 battles played over 7 days higher than 40 battles played over 3 days.

[KillStealBoss]

1 minute ago, MrFingers said:

I reach that... So I'm not a casual... But I can't devote each and every day to WoWS, so according to WG, I'm a "lesser person". They value 40 battles played over 7 days higher than 40 battles played over 3 days.

I'm playing 120-140 weekly. Most people who play daily have 80-100 battles weekly.

[Afghanicus]

Well.... Breaking News...

 

Even if you're not a casual player... Even if you play EVERY DAY for at least few hours... you won't get the 800 fuel tokens and no 'Benham' will be in your port.

 

So casual gaming has nothing to do with their greedy system which is being in force for a while now but getting worse with each update and each new event.

[KillStealBoss]

13 minutes ago, Palubarac said:

Well.... Breaking News...

 

Even if you're not a casual player... Even if you play EVERY DAY for at least few hours... you won't get the 800 fuel tokens and no 'Benham' will be in your port.

 

So casual gaming has nothing to do with their greedy system which is being in force for a while now but getting worse with each update and each new event.

If you play everyday and make daily missions , play the Rogue wave then you get it. Though you need a lot of Wivern, Zulu plus premium account.