Tier 8 Clan battles

[The_Shungite_Wizard]

U know I am excited for this and the range of ships, currently there is more tier 8 bbs than TX ships so I'm loving it but my god what would be your choice of a dream team, this has to be one the best things they have in development, also there is so much range I'm lost, can some people suggest choices, so far I've got things like amagi baby and balimore atago ect, we all have tier 8's we love 😍 

[thiextar]

My comp would probably look close to this:

 

bb:north carolina

cruiser 1:Baltimore/cleveland

cruiser:Baltimore/cleveland

cruiser: kutuzov

cruiser:kutuzov

dd: Cossack

 

basically 2 radars, 2 kutuzovs, 1 accurate bb, 1 cossack(best camo/guns at t8)

[Miragetank90]

39 minutes ago, thiextar said:

My comp would probably look close to this:

 

bb:north carolina

cruiser 1:Baltimore/cleveland

cruiser:Baltimore/cleveland

cruiser: kutuzov

cruiser:kutuzov

dd: Cossack

 

basically 2 radars, 2 kutuzovs, 1 accurate bb, 1 cossack(best camo/guns at t8)

 

Looking like a good setup if your strat is playing for caps, though I'd ditch Cossack for Loyang, methinks. And Norcal for Amagi - personal preference. 

[thiextar]

12 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

 

Looking like a good setup if your strat is playing for caps, though I'd ditch Cossack for Loyang, methinks. And Norcal for Amagi - personal preference. 

Pretty sure that north carolina guns are more accurate than amagis guns. Mostly because of the much better sigma on the north cal guns.

 

Not sure what the loyang brings over the cossack tho. Worse guns, worse camo no hydro. More torps, but they can only be launched from withing radar range and every ship other than the battleship on the enemy team will have hydro. Seems questionable to me

[The_Shungite_Wizard]

Loyang brings that aggressive hydro :) its rather a fine ship, although since no CV I was thinking about double TRB kagero might be an option for torp spam and spotting 

[Miragetank90]

Just now, thiextar said:

Pretty sure that north carolina guns are more accurate than amagis guns. Mostly because of the much better sigma on the north cal guns.

 

Not sure what the loyang brings over the cossack tho. Worse guns, worse camo. More torps, but they can only be launched from withing radar range and every ship other than the battleship on the enemy team will have hydro. Seems questionable to me

 

Idk the values, but I also think Norcal is more consistently accurate. Amagi has it's own advantages though. I think it would depend on the strat

 

Fair point with the Loyang, however in T10 it's the same, every ship other than the BB(and a half of the time, DD) has hydro. It's a bit of a moot point. 

If you're planning on going focusing/denying caps, or playing more passive as your comp suggests to me, I think Loyang would actually be better. The stealth isn't as good (0.3km more) but you get more options, something more well rounded and with a much better hydro well suited to cap contesting. 

[WeGreedy]

13 minutes ago, thiextar said:

Not sure what the loyang brings over the cossack tho. Worse guns, worse camo no hydro.

Oh boy!

[thiextar]

Whelp, i didnt realize that loyang has hydro, thats new for me. Yeah that might indeed make her an option to the cossack then.

[Toivia]

You might want to take a detailed look. Lo Yang hydro is not merely a hydro, it's the best hydro a T8 DD can have (because for some reason, a PA DD gotta have a better hydro than germans that specialise in it).

That said, Cossacks, Lighnings, Harekazes, Kidds and maybe Akizukis should do fine as well.

 

I asume for BBs, an agressive setup with Tirpitz could work. Not many BBs (will*) have actually murderous secondaries and torps on top. Otherwise typical Northcal or Amagi as usual. Unless... will the Kii citadel deck buff perhaps make it decent enough? Could be a meme choice as well with its long range torps.

 

*Just announced secondary buff on Tirp/Bis and more 105mm guns.

[WeGreedy]

3 hours ago, Toivia said:

Lo Yang hydro is not merely a hydro, it's the best hydro a T8 DD can have (because for some reason, a PA DD gotta have a better hydro than germans that specialise in it).

To be fair, she's much older than the German destroyers and probably was the test ship if hydro on destroyers "works".

[fumtu]

4 hours ago, Toivia said:

You might want to take a detailed look. Lo Yang hydro is not merely a hydro, it's the best hydro a T8 DD can have (because for some reason, a PA DD gotta have a better hydro than germans that specialise in it).

 

37 minutes ago, B0Tato said:

To be fair, she's much older than the German destroyers and probably was the test ship if hydro on destroyers "works".

 

Yes, Loyang was first DD in the game with hydro. And its hydro was quite weak, 3.something detection for ships and 2.something detection for torpedoes. But it sacrifice a lot for that hydro, one less gun then Benson, torpedoes which deals less damage then Benson and less health then Benson. WG, in their wisdom, decided to buff its hydro to 5.4km as it was very underwhelming DD. Why immediately 5.4km instead some lower value will remain mystery.

 

4 hours ago, Toivia said:

That said, Cossacks, Lighnings, Harekazes, Kidds and maybe Akizukis should do fine as well.

 

Aki would be bad choice. One of the worse concealment among T8 DDs, clumsy and slow. Kagero could keep it perma spotted and Aki can't do anything about that, even if he know where it is it can't catch it. As support DD Aki could work, as main DD no.

 

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I asume for BBs, an agressive setup with Tirpitz could work. Not many BBs (will*) have actually murderous secondaries and torps on top.

 

*Just announced secondary buff on Tirp/Bis and more 105mm guns.

 

Bad thing about Tirpitz, and other BBs with 380mm guns, is that they can't overmatch 27mm of armour, which mean Tirpitz can't overmatch ships like Baltimore, Wichita, Hipper and Eugen. Not even secondaries with improved pen can't pen them without IFHE. It would be better to spend those four points on fire prevention instead. 406mm/410mm BBs are still the best choice.

 

[ollonborre]

1 hour ago, fumtu said:

 

Aki would be bad choice. One of the worse concealment among T8 DDs, clumsy and slow. Kagero could keep it perma spotted and Aki can't do anything about that, even if he know where it is it can't catch it. As support DD Aki could work, as main DD no.

 

This is setup dependant. As a main DD it is not perfect, but if you have a more dakka focused setup the Aki becomes an extra CL with a smoke screen. And in this setup it has monster potential.

[WeGreedy]

1 hour ago, fumtu said:

Yes, Loyang was first DD in the game with hydro. And its hydro was quite weak, 3.something detection for ships and 2.something detection for torpedoes. But it sacrifice a lot for that hydro, one less gun then Benson, torpedoes which deals less damage then Benson and less health then Benson. WG, in their wisdom, decided to buff its hydro to 5.4km as it was very underwhelming DD. Why immediately 5.4km instead some lower value will remain mystery.

Yes, it was 3.48, then 5.43 and is 5.5 now.

[Mr_Tayto]

Re: LoYang hydro - this is probably because it was in post war service, so has postwar radar.

 

Likely the same reason that as a line the PA DDs get radar from 8 up.

[DasTongle]

11 hours ago, thiextar said:

My comp would probably look close to this:

 

bb:north carolina

cruiser 1:Baltimore/cleveland

cruiser:Baltimore/cleveland

cruiser: kutuzov

cruiser:kutuzov

dd: Cossack

 

basically 2 radars, 2 kutuzovs, 1 accurate bb, 1 cossack(best camo/guns at t8)

 

Baltimores are prey to NC/Alabama even Amagi can overmatch their frontal armor, so playing like a Des Mo beeing stationary is not the best option....i hope for you that you have 2 Kutuzovs ;D

And yeah LoYang is the better pick, i would arguably even go with a KIDD before i take that Cossack into a cap with that much radars.

main Problem i see is you lack flanks in that setup and you lack them hard, well played Atagos (including Analogs) will eat that line up on a flank.

 

BB Alternatives i see in Alabama and some Wildcard i am not willing to reveal :P

[Yedwy]

Well I will most likely end up in Kutuzov its a comfortable fit and one of my oldest premiums it still outranges every other t8 cruiser by far (especially other cls) also those raulguns acctually hit stuff at that range, I will brush up on my prinz eugen, atago and baltimore though just in case I need to swich, unlikely though since I dont think anybody else in clan has a kutzu

 

On another notion Irian might be interesting with those insane dwts as well

[SomeoneYouKnow2]

Amagi/NC

Kutuzov

Chapayev

Atago

Lo Yang

 

I think this setup will be popular. Not sure about the 6th ship. Maybe Baltimore, Cleveland or another Kutozov.

 

Edit: I would love to see another meta develop rather than the old T8 KOTS one tho

[DasTongle]

1 hour ago, Yedwy said:

On another notion Irian might be interesting with those insane dwts as well

 I highly doubt that , all CAs will come with hydro equipped

And Irian will not be able to do anything that Chapa and Kutuzov won't do better than her.

[Toivia]

6 hours ago, fumtu said:

Aki would be bad choice. One of the worse concealment among T8 DDs, clumsy and slow. Kagero could keep it perma spotted and Aki can't do anything about that, even if he know where it is it can't catch it. As support DD Aki could work, as main DD no.

 

 

Bad thing about Tirpitz, and other BBs with 380mm guns, is that they can't overmatch 27mm of armour, which mean Tirpitz can't overmatch ships like Baltimore, Wichita, Hipper and Eugen. Not even secondaries with improved pen can't pen them without IFHE. It would be better to spend those four points on fire prevention instead. 406mm/410mm BBs are still the best choice.

 

Yeah, Aki would merely be stealthy dakka support. Also, do you expect Kageros? Almost everybody's got Cossacks that are almost as stealthy, faster, with hydro, awesome gunpower. Hell even Cossack torp power isn't that much worse than Kagero's. Only half the fish, but same range, faster reload and obviously better stealth. (Not that torps in general should be useful with all the hydros.)

The thing with Tirpitz, I really don't see Hippers and Eugens being played, so at worst Tirpitz meets the USN CAs that have no particular threat for Tirp if you just rush them.

 

However if Hippers and Eugens get played, for some reason, then yeah, pretty much all 15 inch gunned BBs instantly lose meaning.

[fumtu]

3 minutes ago, Toivia said:

Yeah, Aki would merely be stealthy dakka support. Also, do you expect Kageros? Almost everybody's got Cossacks that are almost as stealthy, faster, with hydro, awesome gunpower. Hell even Cossack torp power isn't that much worse than Kagero's. Only half the fish, but same range, faster reload and obviously better stealth. (Not that torps in general should be useful with all the hydros.)

 

This depend on team tactic and composition. I think that Kagero is better suited for team oriented competitive like CW then Cossack. If DD primary task is spotting and torping while providing smoke for its teammates then Kagero is better ship. Cossack can't as effectively torp smoked ships as Kagero can simply because of number of torps. Even tho Cossack torps have fast reload by the time they are ready again smoke will start do dissipate and ships inside will already been on the move. Also Cossack smoke has short duration so it is less effective for helping teammates. But if you based your team on agressive push then Cossack could work. But even in that case I think that Lightning could be better choice. 

 

IMO Kagero could be a decent choice to CWs, Harekaze would be even better.

 

3 minutes ago, Toivia said:

The thing with Tirpitz, I really don't see Hippers and Eugens being played, so at worst Tirpitz meets the USN CAs that have no particular threat for Tirp if you just rush them.

 

However if Hippers and Eugens get played, for some reason, then yeah, pretty much all 15 inch gunned BBs instantly lose meaning.

 

If it is one on one vs CA then yes, Tirpitz could rush them but if CA is supported, and you failing to kill it beause you can't overmatch it then you could have a problem. Also US BBs have better gun layout as they could provide 6 guns when bow in instead of Tirpitz 4 and are more accurate. If you often ends browling in BB they yes, Tirpitz will be a good choice but if not then better use US or Japanese or Soviet one.

 

I doubt that many would play Hipper but Eugen, even tho far from being top choice, could be used mainly because of heal. But probably they will be rarity too.

 

[Cyclops_]

Mmmmm, lets see.

 

Edinburgh.

Lightning.

Cossack.

Loyang.

Benson. ( wish I had the Kidd).

 

 

[Yedwy]

4 hours ago, The_Reichtangle said:

 I highly doubt that , all CAs will come with hydro equipped

And Irian will not be able to do anything that Chapa and Kutuzov won't do better than her.

Well bbs wont and she is the only t8 cruiser that can stealth torp with a comfortable margin also you can fire them beneath your dds without harming them but then again kutzu has better range and chapa has long range radar so you might have a point there

[drumroll]

can anyone pls get me a link to the clan-battle anouncement? can´t find it.... thx!!!

 

[Toivia]

1 hour ago, drumroll said:

can anyone pls get me a link to the clan-battle anouncement? can´t find it.... thx!!!

 

First paragraph here:

 

[The_Shungite_Wizard]

Oh boys, Edinburgh can stealth radar, would that be an option? Or would u need to complement it with a DD, but then Cleveland could do the same job but with more DPM