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title says all, it's crushing every skilled tactic in the book. 

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Too late for that. Best we can hope for is they have learnt something for the future, although knowing wargaming, that would be a miracle larger than Jesus allegedly resurrecting. 

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9 minutes ago, Joehrax said:

title says all, it's crushing every skilled tactic in the book. 

So errr a CV was to blame for this cluster:etc_swear: of a team then was it?

 

go whine in the dedicated CV whine thread.

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Ahh no comrade that s nothing...

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WG said CV in ranked proved to be a succesfull concept, and CV in general are here to stay and most major changes (nerfs) already in the past.

 

So you better get used to dealing with CV.  I don't think it is that bad, if you take some of the AA skills.

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The proof of the pudding will be the Ranked Sprints. The stats picture from the current season of Ranked as well as personal experience in the 1-5 bracket is pretty deplorable. 

 

At T7 in Sprints we shall have no CVs. No need to blob up because of the efforts of a single player on the opposing side. Freedom for DDs to do DD things without getting knobbled by the rocket mafia. The ability to actually employ concealment and flank without being spotted every 30s. Weak AA ships are okay to bring along if that's what you do well in. No cruisers getting AP-bombed out of existence in 1-2 passes. The entire whacky interaction between CVs/Ships is avoided with none of it's current issues. It almost sounds - and I use this word advisedly - fun

 

I know, I know - it's pretty radical. However having a competitive mode WITHOUT a half-finished, still-in-testing, still-broken, poorly balanced yet incredibly powerful, influential, skill-gapped class in the mix might actually improve things.

 

I might be onto something here...

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Gvozdika said:

The proof of the pudding will be the Ranked Sprints. The stats picture from the current season of Ranked as well as personal experience in the 1-5 bracket is pretty deplorable. 

 

At T7 in Sprints we shall have no CVs. No need to blob up because of the efforts of a single player on the opposing side. Freedom for DDs to do DD things without getting knobbled by the rocket mafia. The ability to actually employ concealment and flank without being spotted every 30s. Weak AA ships are okay to bring along if that's what you do well in. No cruisers getting AP-bombed out of existence in 1-2 passes. The entire whacky interaction between CVs/Ships is avoided with none of it's current issues. It almost sounds - and I use this word advisedly - fun

 

I know, I know - it's pretty radical. However having a competitive mode WITHOUT a half-finished, still-in-testing, still-broken, poorly balanced yet incredibly powerful, influential, skill-gapped class in the mix might actually improve things.

 

I might be onto something here...

 

 

 

You sound asif CV kill every ship in the match themselves.

 

I know for a fact that is not what happens. Tier X ranked is even unique in the way how 2 Minotaurs, Moskva's or Des Moines can shut a CV down if they are protecting a "blob" and move together. Slightly forward scout DD even have impressive AA teeth and can kill aircraft all by themselves.

 

Btw : "blob" is called a fleet or formation in navies...where Destroyers and Cruisers are mere escort ships tasked to protect the center of the formation or fleet. Usually a CV...lol.

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The main problem is that the majority of the people do not play cv so they have no clue on what to do against them and with them, i've actually played many good hard matches in rank 5-2 where people have that clue (not all but quite some) and it was fun and balanced, compared to the old RTS now is required more personal skill and knowledge to avoid AN cv strike and slightly less team play Which is still mandatory but have a lesser impact

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2 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

Tier X ranked is even unique in the way how 2 Minotaurs, Moskva's or Des Moines can shut a CV down if they are protecting a "blob" and move together.

fixed for you (at least vs Hakuruy) :cap_rambo:

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In ranked 10 region i can already see lower ranks at play that are pretty good, not the complete chaos in the ranks above.

 

These keep each other in check i noticed, producing a kind of a stalemate, and need to be thrown off balance to get a win. CV can be that disrupting force, but it does not mean they are overpowered. Just able to seek the right target to attempt to begin to collaps the enemy defence. DD have very similar tasks - disrupt the enemy -  just another method of striking the right targets/disrupting the enemy.

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On 6/10/2019 at 5:55 PM, Gvozdika said:

The stats picture from the current season of Ranked as well as personal experience in the 1-5 bracket is pretty deplorable.

Same, as soon as I reached tier 5 it has been almost exclusively only CV games.

Some *edit* who can not achieve the same results in other ships than CVs are abusing this "reworked" unbalanced class to pull them through Ranked.

Examples of MM queue in Rank 5:

 

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On 6/10/2019 at 8:23 PM, 22cm said:

Same, as soon as I reached tier 5 it has been almost exclusively only CV games.

Some *edit* who can not achieve the same results in other ships than CVs are abusing this "reworked" unbalanced class to pull them through Ranked.

Examples of MM queue in Rank 5:

 

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Now you see that attitude rally sucks as most who do play CV' do play other classes too, but in your tiny world they obviously do not.

 

Beside with all the supposed nerfs, or buffs as WG call them, people are coming back to other classes, don't want CV's, stick to tier 3, not as that is any guarantee anyway, but do take on board, not everyone who plays a CV id the red team killing machine that one or two on here are.

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funny....i will not mention names, but some of guys who cry here, in all seasons are on 42% WR (yes even seasons when CV was not part of Ranked)....but now they have excuse :)

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On 6/10/2019 at 8:23 PM, 22cm said:

Same, as soon as I reached tier 5 it has been almost exclusively only CV games.

Some *edit*  who can not achieve the same results in other ships than CVs are abusing this "reworked" unbalanced class to pull them through Ranked.

Examples of MM queue in Rank 5:

 

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This is the result of a not Well tuned experience gain for cv's, in My experience is a bit too easy to have the best exp score, but rarely i hear people complaint about this

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Here is an example of CV contributing to the win just like any other ship, but not dominating anything but providing close cooperation as it should. ( support class )

 

I did not suck ( tech tree ship, this is excellent reward ) nor was i "carried'' or did "carry" as i was just doing my job : spotting for allied guns ( that Yamato could have its score assisted by my spotting ) , preventing some of the air strikes on friendlies and attacking that what was open for attack/ attempt delay/stopping them from capping. You can see all enemies got to have some of my planes, and allies even shot many more of the enemies planes....so  AA was not useless at all. Besides that my rental Grozovoi shot 20 aircraft in a previous match.....it is a DD, not even an AA Cruiser !

 

In other words : nothing wrong with it......if WG sees such results in general server stats - and they probably will - they will conclude it is well balanced.

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Never before have I played such dull games as 7v7 with a carrier. Even before you're full speed your whole team has already been spotted and that one des Moines who was supposed to radar the cap has lost half its hit points due to some slingshotting hakuryu. If this is the future for competitive wows, then so be it. But I'm having fun according to spreadsheets so who am I to complain right? :cap_tea:

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2 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Never before have I played such dull games as 7v7 with a carrier. Even before you're full speed your whole team has already been spotted and that one des Moines who was supposed to radar the cap has lost half its hit points due to some slingshotting hakuryu. If this is the future for competitive wows, then so be it. But I'm having fun according to spreadsheets so who am I to complain right? :cap_tea:

When Ranked become competitive? :)

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6 minutes ago, veslingr said:

When Ranked become competitive? :)

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I have to admit that is some impressive endurance from that guy. If I play 4 ranked games in a row I feel the cancer growing inside me.

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36 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Never before have I played such dull games as 7v7 with a carrier. Even before you're full speed your whole team has already been spotted and that one des Moines who was supposed to radar the cap has lost half its hit points due to some slingshotting hakuryu. If this is the future for competitive wows, then so be it. But I'm having fun according to spreadsheets so who am I to complain right? :cap_tea:

They will fix slingshotting roughly after the first broadcast when they realize everyone can see how retarded this gameplay is.

 

CV's damage is fine though, the problem is with their spotting. They shut down DDs without any skill investment whatsoever, but WG is too dumb to ever fix that.

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4 minutes ago, Lord_WC said:

They will fix slingshotting roughly after the first broadcast when they realize everyone can see how retarded this gameplay is.

 

CV's damage is fine though, the problem is with their spotting. They shut down DDs without any skill investment whatsoever, but WG is too dumb to ever fix that.

Well it kinda need to be 2 km from dd. So it is some kind of skill. If dd knows how to play he has room to do his job. 

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ranked out with 8km torp shima today after getting 8 wins in a row, cv a problem by butt.

199 games with 54% winrate to rank out (59% winrate in shima).

I played one half as CV until i gave up and the rest with shima.

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Thread closed.

If you want to discuss CVs in general or cvs in ranked there are already some other threads for it.

A non-constructive thread like this one won't help anyone.

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