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By allowing this kind of matchmaking??

5 DDs on each side??

And you still say the CVs are the *EDIT*?

I m about to close my account, this is just ridiculous

 

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14 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

yeeeeeah kinda stinks to be a BB in that match, I will give you that :Smile_teethhappy:

 

It stinks to have any big ship in that match, including the CV...or did you think it can kill 5 DD ? It will struggle with 2 DD coming right for it with intent, assuming they have decent DD skills.

 

They must have been torped by dense impossible to escape torpedo walls unless all the DD clashed and killed each other.

 

But closing accounts ? naaah....fortunes of war, this is. Can be very good or very bad.

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WarGimmick are trying to kill this game on so many different levels at the moment. It's like someone spiked their vodka with something stronger.

 

CVs are just fubar

DDs were fubar until I saw your MM

MM is fubar

 

So what are WarGimmick doing well?

Visuals are great, distant views of aircraft spiralling down in smoke and flames are awesome.

And that's about all I can think of.

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58 minutes ago, naked_bird said:

5 DDs on each side??

1x BB

1x CA

5x DD

- A historically correct taskforce :Smile_honoring:

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1 hour ago, Beastofwar said:

or did you think it can kill 5 DD ?

 

Not only that, they can be finished off in less than 10 minutes with minimal plane losses.

Your inability to engage DDs with aircraft doesn't translate to everyone else.

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12 minutes ago, VIadoCro said:

1x BB

1x CA

5x DD

- A historically correct taskforce :Smile_honoring:

Give me please an example of something historically correct... let me see.... the only tier X bb that really existed was the Yamato.

Cruisers I believe only the Des Moines

I think all the rest are "what if" ships

Where is the histocally correct in this?

 

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Vor 7 Minuten, El2aZeR sagte:

 

Not only that, they can be finished off in less than 10 minutes with minimal plane losses.

Your inability to engage DDs with aircraft doesn't translate to everyone else.

i challenge you on that statement. You with your Enterprise against myself and 4 other DDs on a training room map of your choice. If you win you get a premium of your choice worth 50€

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33 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

i challenge you on that statement. You with your Enterprise against myself and 4 other DDs on a training room map of your choice. If you win you get a premium of your choice worth 50€

 

That would hardly resemble the conditions above, no?

Let's examine it a bit:

Gearing - 46%, 22k avg dmg, 200 battles

Daring - (65%), 39k avg dmg, 32 battles

Shimakaze - 37%, 37k avg dmg, 291 battles

Shimakaze - (38%), 43k avg dmg, 73 battles

Grozovoi - 45%, 56k avg dmg, 189 battles

 

If you then consider that Gearing, Daring and Grozo are all pretty susceptible to high damage salvoes and Shima is, well, Shima I don't believe killing them all off in a short amount of time would be much trouble at all.

Against 5 DDs who actually know what they're doing killing them all is still possible, but perhaps not within a small timeframe unless RNGesus bestows some spectacular rocket salvoes.

 

So I'm afraid I'll have to decline, unless ofc you and whoever you choose to go with are willing to act like :etc_swear:s? :Smile_trollface:

 

34 minutes ago, naked_bird said:

Where is the histocally correct in this?

 

Task force composition. No one said anything about ship classes.

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8 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Against 5 DDs who actually know what they're doing killing them all is still possible, but perhaps not within a small timeframe unless RNGesus bestows some spectacular rocket salvoes.

 

That actually sounds kind of a fun challenge. 5 unicum DD’s against a super Unicum CV. :Smile_trollface::cap_rambo:

 

New E-Sport for WoWs? God knows they peddle some bat-:etc_swear: insane ideas currently.

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Vor 18 Minuten, El2aZeR sagte:

 

That would hardly resemble the conditions above, no?

Let's examine it a bit:

Gearing - 46%, 22k avg dmg, 200 battles

Daring - (65%), 39k avg dmg, 32 battles

Shimakaze - 37%, 37k avg dmg, 291 battles

Shimakaze - (38%), 43k avg dmg, 73 battles

Grozovoi - 45%, 56k avg dmg, 189 battles

 

If you then consider that Gearing, Daring and Grozo are all pretty susceptible to high damage salvoes and Shima is, well, Shima I don't believe killing them all off in a short amount of time would be much trouble at all.

Against 5 DDs who actually know what they're doing killing them all is still possible, but perhaps not within a small timeframe unless RNGesus bestows some spectacular rocket salvoes.

 

So I'm afraid I'll have to decline, unless ofc you and whoever you choose to go with are willing to act like :etc_swear:s? :Smile_trollface:

 

 

Task force composition. No one said anything about ship classes.

 

No matter the rng luck, you wouldn't be able to deal with 5 Asashios with their AA turned off (and restricting their torp usage until they get 5km close to your CV hull).

The experiment i did with Seiyko and some i did privately myself proved that it takes DDs less then 10 minutes to reach your hull in a spread out formation. By the time you kill 1 DD 4 are already on your [edited]. It's not possible.

Seiyko had a gearing escort on his side (player controlled gearing of course) vs 3 DDs and had quite a hard time. (no torp restrictions).

 

Vor 12 Minuten, Bear_Necessities sagte:

 

That actually sounds kind of a fun challenge. 5 unicum DD’s against a super Unicum CV. :Smile_trollface::cap_rambo:

 

New E-Sport for WoWs? God knows they peddle some bat-:etc_swear: insane ideas currently.

I wasn't really all to serious.

After alot of challenges i did in my ex clan to boost their interest in CV/surface ship interactions and for entertainment value i seen some amazing stuff like coordinated smoke usage, wide spread steamroll, super yolo blobbing.

I think part of why they had success easily killing CVs in the most unlikely DDs is because they did it in a training room battle without any pressure to win (and no teammates on the CV side to shoot at them if spotted).

And the DDs i am talking about are hardly unicum.

 

I know El2aZeR is damn amazing. But i bet my [edited]he will never ever, even if he got 3 lucky detonations, win a training battle against 5 DDs with his Enterprise.

The closest i ever came to winning against 3 t10 DDs in midway (pre HE bomber nerf) was killing 2 DDs (1 det with Midway secondaries!) and dying tothe third because of how they communicated smoke and speedboost usage. Didn't help that the map was ocean and they approached totally spread apart from each other from all sides.

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36 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

That actually sounds kind of a fun challenge. 5 unicum DD’s against a super Unicum CV. :Smile_trollface::cap_rambo:

 

Nah, DDs could just sustain smoke for 20 mins I'm rather sure. :Smile_teethhappy:

 

18 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

No matter the rng luck, you wouldn't be able to deal with 5 Asashios with their AA turned off (and restricting their torp usage until they get 5km close to your CV hull).

The experiment i did with Seiyko and some i did privately myself proved that it takes DDs less then 10 minutes to reach your hull in a spread out formation. By the time you kill 1 DD 4 are already on your [edited]. It's not possible.

Seiyko had a gearing escort on his side (player controlled gearing of course) vs 3 DDs and had quite a hard time. (no torp restrictions).

 

Which ofc doesn't remotely resemble combat conditions either. As such your experiments are rather meaningless.

I've had plenty of battles in which I killed (directly or indirectly) all 4/5 DDs before the 10 min mark. It may depend on how dumb they and how lucky you are, but I can assure you it's entirely possible.

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Vor 7 Minuten, El2aZeR sagte:

 

Nah, DDs could just sustain smoke for 20 mins I'm rather sure. :Smile_teethhappy:

 

 

Which ofc doesn't remotely resemble combat conditions either. As such your experiments are rather meaningless.

I've had plenty of battles in which I killed (directly or indirectly) all 4/5 DDs before the 10 min mark. It may depend on how dumb they and how lucky you are, but I can assure you it's entirely possible.

Oh yes you are totally right and i'm not going to argue against that!

yes those challenges are meaningless therefore too, they simlulate nothing that would ever happen in a random battle :).

 

i used to get more then 3kraken sometimes a day pre he bomb nerf because of the amount of DDs on the enemy team easily killed by me in Midway (is why my avg dmg is so low on midway q_q)

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2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

I've had plenty of battles in which I killed (directly or indirectly) all 4/5 DDs before the 10 min mark. It may depend on how dumb they and how lucky you are, but I can assure you it's entirely possible.

5 minute battles are entirely possible. Are they the norm though?

You kind Sir  @El2aZeR killing the entire enemy fleet is also entirely possible. Not the norm I guess.

Me scoring 120 K damage in my Grozovoi, entirely possible (records are there). Not the norm though.

Flipping a coin and have it land on the tiny rim is also entirely possible. Try it and see after how many iterations you will do it. But, you can also do it after only one iteration. Entirely possible. However, I wouldn't bet my money on it happening.

 

I find that in this exchange of opinions the reverent mister @L0V3_and_PE4CE has presented a rather more plausible hypothesis.

 

A CV against 5 coordinated DDs is going to sink. This is the most probable outcome. The opposite happening is entirely possible but a statistical outlier. And there is absolutely no need for 5 Asashio.

The only real question here is how fast they will accomplish the task? You see my dear friend you have to accept that not everything is within the powers of a highly competent CV player.

 

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

ofc doesn't remotely resemble combat conditions

I wonder if the only thing that resembles actual WoWs combat conditions is a group of potatoes facing a group of tomatoes with a few cucumbers on each side. 

 

So I will present the following argument:

In a Ranked MM with 5 DDs per side, the side with the better DDs is going to win no matter how good the CV player is. This is one match you will not carry. 

 

6 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

It stinks to have any big ship in that match, including the CV...

Despite the fact that I have accused Mr. @Beastofwar of being a troll, I find it rather disappointing that you attack the person and not the argument. In this case the argument presented was in my humble opinion correct. It stinks to have a big ship in that match.

 

Respectfully Yours,

Saltface

 

 

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6 hours ago, naked_bird said:

By allowing this kind of matchmaking??

5 DDs on each side??

And you still say the CVs are the cancer?

I m about to close my account, this is just ridiculous

 

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I only had 4 of them.... best tactic is to stick to them load HE , play the troll bait and whack em.... 

actually have no real issue with so much dds in a match :) 

Makes the round quick and dirty

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, naked_bird said:

Give me please an example of something historically correct... let me see.... the only tier X bb that really existed was the Yamato.

Cruisers I believe only the Des Moines

I think all the rest are "what if" ships

Where is the histocally correct in this?

 

Wooster class was also built. Iowa was more than a match for Yamato and should have been a T10. Or Yama a T9... But if you want realism, the only navy that would even remotely have a chance against mass plane attacks would be the USN and maybe late war RN. CVs would just dominate even more. Do you really want realism? 

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That matchmaking is the game's way of telling you it's late and you should go to bed.

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Well i dont think its so much off as players adapting to lesser cvs and more BBs in the games :)

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To answer your question:
No, WG is not trying to kill the game.
(Doesn't mean they are not actually heading towards that end).

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6 minutes ago, Blixies said:

To answer your question:
No, WG is not trying to kill the game.
(Doesn't mean they are not actually heading towards that end).

I'm sure we can all find relief in the fact that incompetence is ruining our favorite game instead of intent. :Smile_sceptic:

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What would happen if 5 Grozovoi's stick together and use all their options intelligently i wonder....to one that gets to sink all 5 of them won't be any CV.

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10 minutes ago, Stormhawk_V said:

I'm sure we can all find relief in the fact that incompetence is ruining our favorite game instead of intent. :Smile_sceptic:

It's a technicality, you're right there.
On the other hand there have been many positive improvements over the last few months too - let's give them that.

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12 minutes ago, Blixies said:

On the other hand there have been many positive improvements over the last few months too - let's give them that.

Like? That CVs aren't as broken anymore as in 0.8.0? That's hardly an achievement.

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10 minutes ago, Stormhawk_V said:

Like? That CVs aren't as broken anymore as in 0.8.0? That's hardly an achievement.

"positive improvement" does not equal "achievement" in my dictionary.

Talking about stuff like port UI improvement and faster loading times.
Give the Devil his due.

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