High Tier Economy

[Atankean]

ah here we go.

 

Lets talk money, to be more succinct, Credit "income" in High Tiers (especially Tier 10). Just a short version of whats to come, it frickin sucks.

 

Ok, so heres the deal. WG is a company and they need to make money...I get that. WOT and WOWS are both games that "lure" people into the F2P model by giving them fast progression in lower tiers, thereby getting them "hooked", then making it harder and harder as they progress to gain XP, Credits etc. to maintain their "fleet" and gaming experience...eventually resulting in real money spent...(basically the same method drug dealers are using but hey...) I get that too...surprisingly.

 

Here is my beef though, the model is ridiculously overdone. I can understand that in normal games you lose money, ok, thats the "poison" we agreed to take with this type of game model, again, I understand but losing money even though you finish the battle TOP with high amounts of damage, kills etc. thats idiotic. I mean at this point you should be legally obliged to put an asterisk when you market the game with the words "play for free*" and (of course in smallest possible letters) write "the game is only Free to play until Tier 8" or something like that because at this point it fricking borders on false advertising.

 

Now just to make sure, If you are someone who has Premium Account (for a year for example) or you are a super Unicum who scores 3000+XP and 300000 average dmg or you are just the so called "Whale" putting countless real money into the game, I am obviously not talking to you. You will probably not have that problem. I am exclusively referring to F2P Play which by the way is what WG is marketing in big letters "PLAY FOR FREE" they say.

 

As I said, I get it, you are a company not a social institution and I understand that but just let me not see these huge minus numbers when I get a good game once in a fuc..ing while. I dont want to make Credits, Id be happy just not to lose so damn much even after topping the scoreboard. I have hit the "Exit Game" button on reflex when something like this happened. And who knows what other buttons will look very "tempting" when stuff like this happens often enough.

 

Had to be said!

 

P.S. Just in case youre wondering, I played Tier 10 in ranked with rentals and I am speaking of Economy without all Credit or Camo Flags, which F2P players usually have not much off to begin with.

[hellhound666]

dude, you dont have single battle at t10 ...

and imho credit income in wows is far too generous ....

[Atankean]

all hail rentals and ranked ;).

 

But what I have seen so far does not really want me to progress further to be honest.

 

P.S. I am at Tier 8 currently and there are games where I lose money too but if I do well then at least I dont lose Credits. The couple games I did in ranked (and again, in a couple I did top the Scoreboard with good results) I ALWAYS lost Credits in T10. Thats what I mean. I guess its no different in Randoms but I dont know of course.

[Ze_Reckless]

You can fail at tier 10 and it doesn't hurt financially. The economy should be much harsher.

 

I have a 0-cent account on NA. Des Moines, Gearing, Yamato, Shima and 40 million credits. Couple of premium ships from missions and super containers. How to do it: Play well, use all signals and camos you get for free, use special income like from US cruiser split or russian BBs from containers for free. Get to rank 1 a couple of times for the doubloons and buy a tier 10 perma camo, done. Tier 10 perma camo farms credits even without premium time.

[El2aZeR]

Are you joking?

The economy is WAY too forgiving right now. We've recently had a screenshot posted here with a Musashi doing literally nothing and still earning 200k. Heck even WG themselves admitted it but "lol we can't do anything because users will complain". As if that ever stopped them before.

 

If you can't make money at T10 then you most definitely deserve it.

[Atankean]

6 minutes ago, Ze_Reckless said:

You can fail at tier 10 and it doesn't hurt financially. The economy should be much harsher.

I SUCCEED at Tier 10 (again, top of the scoreboard with nearly 2K XP and I made -30000 Credits...might not hurt you but it hurts me).

 

7 minutes ago, Ze_Reckless said:

I have a 0-cent account on NA. Des Moines, Gearing, Yamato, Shima and 40 million credits. Couple of premium ships from missions and super containers. How to do it: Play well, use all signals and camos you get for free, use special income like from US cruiser split or russian BBs from containers for free. Get to rank 1 a couple of times for the doubloons and buy a tier 10 perma camo, done. Tier 10 perma camo farms credits even without premium time.

Yeah, makes sense and I do that, I have the Eitel Friedrich and Nelson and Shino as prems...all from missions and such but they dont really make enough money to cover the expenses of high tiers. Also, I dont have that much time to play, I play the game since its release and as you can see, I have ca. 3200 battles played, so I cant play that much. 

[Atankean]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

If you can't make money at T10 then you most definitely deserve it.

thats the second time we meet and the second time you resort to "belittling" comments. Is that really necessary to get your point across?

 

 

Be so kind and read the following again:

36 minutes ago, Atankean said:

Now just to make sure, If you are someone who has Premium Account (for a year for example) or you are a super Unicum who scores 3000+XP and 300000 average dmg or you are just the so called "Whale" putting countless real money into the game, I am obviously not talking to you. You will probably not have that problem. I am exclusively referring to F2P Play which by the way is what WG is marketing in big letters "PLAY FOR FREE" they say.

With 15000+ games played, I am sure you will find yourself somewhere in there and therefore I do not necessarily expect you to understand. With all due respect of course.

[El2aZeR]

9 minutes ago, Atankean said:

With 15000+ games played, I am sure you will find yourself somewhere in there and therefore I do not necessarily expect you to understand. With all due respect of course.

 

The point is we've seen examples of players literally failing, achieving NOTHING in a match and still come out with positive income. It is the reason why so many s can just spam T10 matches over and over again.

And here you are telling us that apparently the economy is too harsh when even WG admits that it is far too forgiving. My patience to deal with bull like this has run out ages ago.

[pra3y]

Well, just don't play tier 10 or high tier ships i guess. No one is forcing you to do so. Stick to mid tiers and you won't lose money.

 

 

[ironhammer500]

35 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Are you joking?

The economy is WAY too forgiving right now. We've recently had a screenshot posted here with a Musashi doing literally nothing and still earning 200k. Heck even WG themselves admitted it but "lol we can't do anything because users will complain". As if that ever stopped them before.

 

If you can't make money at T10 then you most definitely deserve it.

So why did you use a premium as an example? We all know prem ships get boosts to their money gained(at tier 9 and yes i know tier 10 doesn't WG have said this) and reduction in ammo and repair costs. Try with an Izumo as an example. Ok lets do maths. So camo is 22k for basic decent camo prem consumables let us say 3 of them comes to 90k each game. Repair costs come to around 150k for a battleship then ammo well if we say they did nothing then should be 0 shots fired. 

 

Ok all ready clocked up around 262k bills so if they did nothing might get around what 50k credits for a win.

[Bear__Necessities]

The economy is already to forgiving. The fact that with flags, prem time and camo a player can get from T8 to T9 in 18 games days it all.

[Guest]

 

I know, it's a video about the Missouri, which literally sh*ts money...

But the part whats Yuro is saying from 5:43 onwards is important (hope I got the timestamp rihgt):

"Now you can do silly amount of money in high tier games. Even if you play like sh*t."

This sentence isn't for Missouri only - perma camo, other High tier prem ships, prem time...

For me I don't know what to do with over 500 Millions of credits.

So, yeah, the economy in this game is literally very forgiving - "even if you play like sh*t"

[ironhammer500]

You guys assume people use prem and spend money on the game a F2P player struggles. Lucky prem is cheap.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, ironhammer500 said:

You guys assume people use prem and spend money on the game a F2P player struggles. Lucky prem is cheap.

 

With a bit of luck you can win:

- prem time

- prem ships

and other helpfull stuff from super containers.

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, ironhammer500 said:

So why did you use a premium as an example?

 

Because these can be used to farm at high tier matches indefinitely with no risk of losing money whatsoever AND can be purchased for cheap with ingame currency that is easily acquired.

Which means even if you own a high tier ship or two with which you lose a minuscule amount of cash even if you do nothing in it, it is easily reacquired by playing one of these  ships.

[NicramDuel]

T10 economy: rough, luckily. Otherwise, you would have everyone sailing at t10 only from as soon as they get their first toptier ship. Like in WoWP. That sure worked out, lol. 

 

BTW, easy F2P model #1 here:

1. Download WoWS Public Test, and complete the "20 daily missions" monthly mission for good signals. 

2. Get a friend and join up for Aegis. 1 goes Leander (for 30-40 citadels on the northwestern second-wave ship-group + torps vs the 2 BB"s), other goes random CV (nontorps against initial wave, torps vs transportguards while sailing up to d9, and torps again vs Kongo before suicide-tanking to save all 5 transports in the end). 1500+ base exp (around 20k free), rinse and repeat. 

3. After 375000 or 1M free exp, buy whatever Freemium's currently available.

4. Enjoy money printing.

 

F2P model #2:

1. Keep doing daily missions and open only "more resources" containers.

2. After about 4 months, use the coupon in the armory, and buy JB/Salem. 

3. Enjoy money printing.

 

You don't have to get premium time, or buy premium ships. Earn a freemium ship after some effort - you'll be able to finance 3-4 bad T10 games from a single freemium-run. 

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

Game is expensive for F2P players at tier 10 without premium camos or account.

 

My only suggestion is dont play tier 10 rentals and instead get a real tier 10 ship and premium camo. Your costs will go down

[ironhammer500]

I  guess problem with game is money doesnt follow same rate as xp when going up ship lines.

[Benser33]

Try world of tanks and then come back, see how "bad" the economy here is then.

 

The game was always designed with its economy as such that high tier games are not as lucrative to incentivise people to play lower tiers and keep some of those tiers populated. Although it doesnt really work that way because the economy is extremely generous regardless, I own every t10 ship and since I ran out of stuff to buy I've saved up 300m credits, they even added flags to the arsenal for millions of credits for the people who have hundreds of millions and nothing to do with it.

 

With premium a loss is basically impossible.

[pra3y]

1 hour ago, ironhammer500 said:

I  guess problem with game is money doesnt follow same rate as xp when going up ship lines.

Why shouldn't it? Just because a game is free to play doesn't mean that it is a charity. Its a business. Money has to come from somewhere and they are not obligated to cater to the whims and fancy who play for free do they?  OP's post comes across as pretty self-entitled tbh.

 

1) Don't want to/ cannot afford to spend some money (I'm assuming base on what OP has written)

2) Does not have enough time to play the game

3) Expects the game to cater to him by not being a credit "scam"

 

The fact that you can play low or mid tier without actual economic loss is already pretty decent IMO. If you are f2p and you want to play high tier, you have that option without spending any money. That would just mean you spend more time playing more low/mid tier games to grind credits or other options mentioned in the numerous posts above this. If you don't want too then spend some money getting a high tier premium ship which can generate decent credit income, premium time etc.

 

Again you are not forced to play high tier games. I mean there are some players who spend their time only playing low tier games and are happy there. 

[OldPappy]

Even for a bad player, 2-3 games in mid tier would easily cover 1-2 games in t10. But with all the events going on you can have more or less permanent premium account. You buy it with tokens or iranium or soverigns and what not. 😊

But yes, without premium account and the right flags you need to get more than 230k in credits to break even. 

I am not a very good player, but I have never had an issue with credits. Always struggling to afford the next t9 or t10, but such is life....

[ColonelPete]

5 hours ago, Atankean said:

.... *Pointless Whine*

Feel free to play more lower to middle Tier ships or farm credits with the free premiums you can get in the game...

[159Hunter]

3 hours ago, Atankean said:

I SUCCEED at Tier 10 (again, top of the scoreboard with nearly 2K XP and I made -30000 Credits...might not hurt you but it hurts me).

Plz post the screenshot of match results, I'm having trouble believing this statement as I've yet to encounter this in my tier Xs

[DasTongle]

4 hours ago, Atankean said:

all hail rentals and ranked ;).

 

But what I have seen so far does not really want me to progress further to be honest.

 

This is wrong. First off i don't think Rentals are supposed to make you any money, secondly even with 2k base XP yes you can only earn 300k here and there but seeing that you don't have Camo expenses and maximum expanse is the Consumables plus repairs 300k should cover you. Of course you won't run a nifty Profit on T10 no one does unless its an epic good match and some. As long as there is a positie on the Balancesheet you ran one. It's just like in real life you expected more. Thats not T10 in WOWS :) Sorry thats what Premium Account Time and Ships are for. As Stated you can get one relatively easy by grinding coal and investing in Salem or better Jean Bart.

[ShinGetsu]

...If anything it is ridiculously easy to get credits in this game.

 

Even without paying anything, ingame marathon gives you free tier 5-6-7 premium ships, Shinonome is super easy to get and is a very decent moneymaker, tier 8-9 ships even without premium account or camo gives you more than enough money and event give you permacamo for a good number of tier 8 cruiser, BB and DD. Even CV ! There's a Halloween Shoukaku camo !

AND even without that, WG throws at us a huge numbers of economy flags and camo. Just save them for tier 9-10. There. Done.

 

I almost never play with premium account. I got premium camo on most of my tier 10, but not all of them. I still can play those without much issue.

 

If with all of this you still manage to struggle with credits, you can just save coal/freepex and get Jean Bart, Alaska, or any others of those "free" premium ship.

 

If at this point you still have problem, you're just very bad at managing your credits AND you're terrible at the game too.