Russian battleship Soyuz

[cpt_edward]

i would like to ask about your adventures with this ship

cause so far it looks like a joke to me i'm shooting everything but can't get penetrations with this thing is either overpens or bounces 

except if there is a minotaur cause i guess the minotaur can arm my shells better than a fred.grobe 

 

those penetrations came with no dmg mostly cause hitted a turret or something and the 2 citadels from a poor minotaur

 

am i missing something does anyone have some tips??

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Still grinding for this ship but after one of the patches I noticed a huge general increase in overpens and richochets with any BB guns. Basically, this is (I assume) based on the target angle and the ballistics of your guns. If the SS is the same as the Russian BB's in general, the guns have a not-so-great range with very poor performance near maximum range.

[Azalgor]

Thats why they will have Pobeda or Slava that can pen anything and anywhere, you get disapointed in soviet line that you want to spend cash to get your hands on it. Then they nerf both.

Havent played Soyuz, free exp to Kreml and yeah, shatters and richochets everywhere, not to mention german dispersion on all ranges, seems to be worse close range than what they advertised.

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

Paper ships are paper for a reason, because they have no historical basis in fact thus their peformance cannot be realistically recreated.

 

Sovesky Soyuz hull was laid down but it never got passed dry dock, and was abandoned once the nazis pushed further into soviet territory.

 

On top of that the 16 inch guns of the russian bbs were used as mounted single barrel artillery pieces in the defense of Leningrad. They were never installed on any ships, thus their effectiveness at sea can only be estimated.

 

This is why I think the Russian bb line is a complete farce and should never have been attempted.

 

Their effect in game has no basis in fact and the real guns could have performed much differently.

 

P.s. even bigger joke is the 457mm russian guns as these were never even created.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

I heard it burns well...

[Yedwy]

Im not really happy with it, long time since I had such bad results in a bb, that said it doesnt have the range upgrade nor all of the module on it and cpt is only 10 pt so IDK might be better after fixing that, however IDK if I ave the patience to play it anymore and spend like 6 milion kitting it since i freexped kreml the first day and would only need xp on soyuz (i keep it for collection since it was layed down) for unlocking slava when and if it comes along, might be less painfoul to just grind the freexp for her...

[MyopicHedgehog]

Last patch appears to have nerfed the RU BB performance.  The T6 in particular is shattering and over-penetrating in OPs where it wasn't pre-patch and the accuracy is noticeably worse.

[Yedwy]

IDK m8 Kreml works fine for me

[ColonelPete]

4 hours ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

Paper ships are paper for a reason, because they have no historical basis in fact thus their peformance cannot be realistically recreated.

 

Sovesky Soyuz hull was laid down but it never got passed dry dock, and was abandoned once the nazis pushed further into soviet territory.

 

On top of that the 16 inch guns of the russian bbs were used as mounted single barrel artillery pieces in the defense of Leningrad. They were never installed on any ships, thus their effectiveness at sea can only be estimated.

 

This is why I think the Russian bb line is a complete farce and should never have been attempted.

 

Their effect in game has no basis in fact and the real guns could have performed much differently.

 

P.s. even bigger joke is the 457mm russian guns as these were never even created.

• The game does not show historic performance for any ship...
• the performance parameters used for guns in the game were known for the 406 and tested
• there are many ships and guns in the game that never existed, but players did not create half the circus performance they do now

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 hours ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

P.s. even bigger joke is the 457mm russian guns as these were never even created.

 

They were revealed to Stalin in a dream by Archangel Michael....

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

• The game does not show historic performance for any ship...
• the performance parameters used for guns in the game were known for the 406 and tested
• there are many ships and guns in the game that never existed, but players did not create half the circus performance they do now

like?

[ColonelPete]

8 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

like?

Really?

 

Just US ships:

• Nicholas
• Phoenix
• Dallas
• Buffalo
• Seattle
• Georgia (her gun existed only as a land based test prototype)
• Montana

Fantasy guns

• German 420mm 
• French 431mm
• UK 419mm
• UK 457mm

 

[Bics93]

3 ore fa, Deckeru_Maiku ha scritto:

I heard it burns well...

 

Actually no: it has 60mm deck which will shatter even IFHE Henri 240mm and super cruisers 305mm HE, while fire resistance is the same of every other tier 9 

[GulvkluderGuld]

16 minutes ago, Bics93 said:

 

Actually no: it has 60mm deck which will shatter even IFHE Henri 240mm and super cruisers 305mm HE, while fire resistance is the same of every other tier 9 

Its only the central deck.

 

Besides,

IFHindenburg will do the trick

 

Will there be a meta for IFHE-Stalingrad and other supercruisers?

[Bics93]

36 minuti fa, GulvkluderGuld ha scritto:

Its only the central deck.

 

So? It doesn’t change what I said: it’s one of the tankiest decks in the game.

 

39 minuti fa, GulvkluderGuld ha scritto:

Will there be a meta for IFHE-Stalingrad and other supercruisers?

 

I doubt it: Stalingrad shouldn’t use HE as main source of damage and should’t sacrifice Fire Prevention or Concealment; while Hindy will waste a lot of fire chance only to do slight more damage against a couple of battleships in the game. 

[GulvkluderGuld]

17 minutes ago, Bics93 said:

 

So? It doesn’t change what I said: it’s one of the tankiest decks in the game.

 

 

I doubt it: Stalingrad shouldn’t use HE as main source of damage and should’t sacrifice Fire Prevention or Concealment; while Hindy will waste a lot of fire chance only to do slight more damage against a couple of battleships in the game. 

True enough it's tanky as hell....but if the feller playing it is bowtanking, dealing damage to the bow is easy (lets face it, Kremlins LOVE to bowtank)

 

IFHindenburg....there's already top clan players recommending it for star-saving in ranked.

In that setting, it's more a question of sacrificing a slight bit of fire chance to do guaranteed damage to the usual 3-4 Yamato/Kremlin/GKs in every game.

Whether it's viable for CB or randoms will depend a lot on the rules (CVs in next CB?) and the meta (chance of seeing Yamato/kremlin/GKs)

 

As to Stalingrad, it can give up MAA or whatever extra 2-3 pointers you picked and still have FP and CE. 

In dont see Stalingrad being very viable if CVs are allowed in CBs (Haku AP bombs shits on it), so it really comes down to a choice of damage vs tankiness (BoS or IFHE i imagine).

 

 

 

[Alex_Connor]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Really?

 

Just US ships:

• Nicholas
• Phoenix
• Dallas
• Buffalo
• Seattle
• Georgia (her gun existed only as a land based test prototype)
• Montana

Fantasy guns

• German 420mm 
• French 431mm
• UK 419mm
• UK 457mm

 

I have no problems at all with Nicholas, it's one ship in an otherwise completely real line and fits well with the armament and performance of real US DDs.

 

I also have few problems with the Phoenix, Dallas and Seattle, personally I would have replaced Seattle with the real Fargo class cruiser but overall all 3 fit well with the capabilities of historical US CLs. Buffalo is pretty similar to the Baltimore and the WW2 generation US CAs, although like the CL line I'm not sure why a paper ship was picked when the real Oregon City class would have fit well at tier 9.

 

Georgia is a real and successful hull design (Iowa) with a proposed armament that got rejected in favour of the 16"/50 tripe turrets. Overall we can have a good idea of the ships capabilities. Montana may have been cancelled but we have no reason to doubt the design performance with the other US battleship of its era for comparison, while all the armament was shared with the Iowa class so we know exactly how those guns would have performed.

 

Meanwhile the Russian BB line is just fantasy. Only one ship in the entire line ever saw service (Gangut), two more were laid down (Izmail and Soyuz) but never completed because the USSR completely lacked the industrial capability to build battleships, indeed Russia did not produce one single successful modern warship larger than a destroyer from the start of the Russian Revolution to the end of WW2 (Kirov class was a disaster because the Italian designed hulls and machinery were fine but the Russian designed guns and turrets had insane accuracy problems and a rate of fire worse than a battleship).

 

How are there supposed to be any reasonable performance estimates for battleships built by a nation that completely failed at building battleships and whose only warships of any size built in the main WoWS period were the unquestioned worst modern cruiser class of WW2?

[KillStealBoss]

3 hours ago, MyopicHedgehog said:

Last patch appears to have nerfed the RU BB performance.  The T6 in particular is shattering and over-penetrating in OPs where it wasn't pre-patch and the accuracy is noticeably worse.

Kreml has 1.9 sigma, sometimes even hits hard at range. Plus better torp protection than any of those soviet BBs, 20k hp more than Soyuz and crazy good AA for BB. Worth to grind this line, T9 also had ok torp protection 35% and 60mm deck. AA is as bad as on Kronshtad , fighter helps. 

[KillStealBoss]

1 hour ago, Bics93 said:

 

So? It doesn’t change what I said: it’s one of the tankiest decks in the game.

 

 

I doubt it: Stalingrad shouldn’t use HE as main source of damage and should’t sacrifice Fire Prevention or Concealment; while Hindy will waste a lot of fire chance only to do slight more damage against a couple of battleships in the game. 

Yama, Musashi , Izumo, Kreml and Soyuz. Those are enough reasons to have IFHE on Hindenburg. Still has decent fire chance.

[ColonelPete]

4 hours ago, Alex_Connor said:

How are there supposed to be any reasonable performance estimates for battleships built by a nation that completely failed at building battleships ...

As I said:

7 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

• The game does not show historic performance for any ship...

Making a balanced game is called game design. There are games consisting only of fake weapons (Plasma Guns, Spore Launchers, Psi Emitters) which are completly balanced.

[Yedwy]

4 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

Yama, Musashi , Izumo, Kreml and Soyuz. Those are enough reasons to have IFHE on Hindenburg. Still has decent fire chance.

This, before when there were 2 ships in the whole MM that you could not pen with basic shells it might be a meh choice, but now there are 5 of them, besides grenade that pens should have more chance to start fire then a shatter no? Anyways I have enough spare german captains so i made one with IHFE to try against kremls and yamas in ranked, and it works quite well, starts decent number of fires too since i also took DE

[darkstar73]

8 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Really?

 

Just US ships:

• Nicholas
• Phoenix
• Dallas
• Buffalo
• Seattle
• Georgia (her gun existed only as a land based test prototype)
• Montana

Fantasy guns

• German 420mm 
• French 431mm
• UK 419mm
• UK 457mm

 

Actually did :) On HMS Furious and on some monitors. Ok not the same barrel length. 

[Yedwy]

Alas that makes a world of difference even irl

[Beastofwar]

9 hours ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

like?

 

Many of the French BB's were never built or completed either. Just like the Russian BB's  war(s) interrupted their construction and guns were sent to the army.

[Dragon12_G]

I've been playing both Tier IX and X Russian BBs for the last few days....and I am now certain they are utterly useless.....as most of the BBs will be in some time....game is full of HE spamming "cruisers".... Also their AP is highly ineffective...