TiTs and HVARs

[GulvkluderGuld]

TiTs, do anyone use them? Considering DBs won't be available much longer, how are usn CV going to kill DDs?

 

Midway TiTs so far seem just as useless as the Lexi ones, despite having one more rocket per plane.

Perfectly aimed salvos seem to land no more than a single rocket, occasianally 2 for ~1500-300 dmg.

 

Upgraded from Lexi to Midway, been using HVARs on lady lex and they are far superior to TiTs for DD work.

TiTs are fine for cruiser killing, but dont seem any better than HVARs (and their pen should only really matter vs BBs and Khaba broadside)

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Tiny Tims are overall better than HVARs, if you can aim. 

 

Because if you can aim, they perform similarly against DDs and flat out better (fire chance and real alpha) against CAs/BBs, especially against those with thicker armor.

[thiextar]

You just wanted to put "tits" in the title, didnt you?

[dasCKD]

2 minutes ago, thiextar said:

You just wanted to put "tits" in the title, didnt you?

Doesn't everyone?

[MRGTB]

I'll go for Tits, no idea what HVARs  are?

[black_falcon120]

15 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Tiny Tims are overall better than HVARs, if you can aim. 

 

Because if you can aim, they perform similarly against DDs and flat out better (fire chance and real alpha) against CAs/BBs, especially against those with thicker armor.

in Midway, yes, Lex, no. 

 

@GulvkluderGuld Don't use arrow keys to aim, use the mouse, it reduces the 'bloom' if you need to manoeuvre. 

[Beastofwar]

I use TiTs exclusively : Good against DD ( closed and narrow reticule is required though ) very good against light Cruisers ( it pens their hull too ) and very usable against heavy armoured ship superstructures to set them on fire. ( in that case fire with reticule already past the hull, the rockets then will hit the superstructure 100 % and not the hull )

 

Worst case they do not do much worse  then HVARS as long as 1 hits.

 

Best case they penetrate and whack a frightning chunk of HP off especially light cruisers. Very best is magazine penetration ofc....BOOOOOOM. Happens a lot more with TiTs then other nation rockets or HVAR's, making many player having a chat rage fit....

 

 

[GulvkluderGuld]

It isnt a bloom issue. Fully minimized reticule, no maneuvers means somtimes I get 2 hits, so at best it is still inferior to HVARs.

 

What is expected damage numbers for you, striking a DD?  (me: ~4k vs unsaturated and up to 8k, ~2,5-3k vs saturated)

How do you approach and where do you put the crosshair? (me: tip of the dds nose, HVARS: broadside on, TiTs ideally bow/stern on)

 

A volley of HVARs in Lexi do 6-10k volleys to cruisers and 3-6k to DDs (unsaturated / saturated).

I've yet to see TiTs break 3,5k on a DD despite what i consider good aim and perfectly small reticule.

Killing a Shima in Lexi takes 2 sorties with HVARs. With TiTs it takes at least 4 sorties.

 

44 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Tiny Tims are overall better than HVARs, if you can aim. 

 

Because if you can aim, they perform similarly against DDs and flat out better (fire chance and real alpha) against CAs/BBs, especially against those with thicker armor.

Where do you aim? :)

Also yes they are superior to HVARs vs bowtankers and BBs, especially for the fires.

HVARs has more alpha. 30 x 2000 > 9 x 5400. 

HVARs pen 32 mm plating so unless you strike Supercruisers and BBs regularly, the pen doesnt matter.

 

 

29 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

in Midway, yes, Lex, no. 

 

@GulvkluderGuld Don't use arrow keys to aim, use the mouse, it reduces the 'bloom' if you need to manoeuvre. 

See above. Its not a bloom issue.

 

28 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

Worst case they do not do much worse  then HVARS as long as 1 hits.

1 hit is 1500ish damage. HVARs outperforms that by a factor of 2-3.

[gustywinds]

I’ve just switched back from HVAR to TT.  Definitely much more effective against cruisers (On Lexi)

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Reticle on HVAR is too big, even when fully aimed. You miss too many of them, meaning TiTs have not only superior fire chance and penetration against big/armored targets, but also superior alpha strike against smaller cruisers when aimed well. 

 

If the target has no fire yet, aim for middle of the ship, if it has a fire, aim for a zone that is not burning yet. Always try to line it up from the front or rear. 

 

You want the TiTs fully aimed, so you gotta approach without much correction. 

[Beastofwar]

17 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

 

1 hit is 1500ish damage. HVARs outperforms that by a factor of 2-3.

 

The have a potential of 5400 dmg per pop, depending on what they penetrate/hit. Not 1500.

 

The Saipan ones carry 3 of them per fighter.....it is enough to cripple any light cruiser in a single attack, killing it in a follow up attack. They are my anti-cruiser weapons of choice, and i usually kill BB late match with them too.

 

I consider them flying torpedo's......

[gustywinds]

48 minutes ago, GTB1964 said:

I'll go for Tits, no idea what HVARs  are?

 

Huge, Voluptuous and Round?

[GulvkluderGuld]

5 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

The have a potential of 5400 dmg per pop, depending on what they penetrate/hit. Not 1500.

5400 is for citadel hits. Shells never do full damage unless it's a citadel.

HE penetrations do 1/3 damage or ~1800 in the case of TiTs 5400 potential.

 

Mine doesnt seem to've gotten the memo they should do even 1800 though

[Beastofwar]

1 minute ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

5400 is for citadel hits. Shells never do full damage unless it's a citadel.

HE penetrations do 1/3 damage or ~1800 in the case of TiTs 5400 potential.

 

Mine doesnt seem to've gotten the memo they should do even 1800 though

 

So ? Many armoured cruisers have citadels that these can pen....CV have citadels that they can pen.....even DD like the Khabarovsk seem to have a citadel.....

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

2 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

So ? Many armoured cruisers have citadels that these can pen....CV have citadels that they can pen

 

No, not even the TiTs have enough penetration to citadel stuff. 

 

2 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

.....even DD like the Khabarovsk seem to have a citadel.....

 

DDs have no citadel. 

[Xevious_Red]

50 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

 

Where do you aim? :)

TiTs are slower than HVAR so you need more lead. 

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

I like hanging TiTs

[beercrazy]

till the update hits and we see how it feels to use HE dbs its gotta be tits everyday

only problem I have with the tits is the rng of them for the pen or not but that's probably more to do with me rather than the tits themselfs

I find tits are more useful at tier 10 than the torps at tier 10 which are useless

 

[Blixies]

8 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

So ? Many armoured cruisers have citadels that these can pen....CV have citadels that they can pen.....even DD like the Khabarovsk seem to have a citadel.....

Jesus Christ... Is this guy immune to self-reflection?
Everyone keeps telling him he is spewing nonsense in every other sentence, but he keeps going at it.

[CptBarney]

14 hours ago, thiextar said:

You just wanted to put "tits" in the title, didnt you?

we all know which tiddies are teh best doe

[Uglesett]

14 hours ago, thiextar said:

You just wanted to put "tits" in the title, didnt you?

https://youtu.be/VtIvyOaxk70?t=23

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

11 hours ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

I like hanging TiTs

Sadist 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

15 hours ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

I like hanging TiTs

I like itty bitty ti.... oh nvm, lol

 

 

Glad someone brought this up, on the big E, TiTs do OK, Saipan with's tier X rockets, sort of ok RN ones, just pathetic, but just something about the HVAR's makes you want to use them, despite the advice of other, might go for them on my Lexi later on.

[Beastofwar]

I used TiT's, mentioned it on the forum, got flamed for being a noob cuss "HVAR are much better patato" switched back to HVAR wondering if they were maybe right, determined that these sucked big time, went back to TiT's on all CV that have them, never considering to go back.

 

As i said i use them as flying torpedo's, able to inflict serious damage on all ships, including CV. I am very satisfied with them, and dissapointed other nations do not have similar heavier missiles.

[Atankean]

I like TiTis (should the abbreviation not be TiTis for "TIny TIms"? :)

 

Seriously though, I played with both and liked the TTs better, may of course be a personal preference but I did not like the "fling enough sht against the wall and some of it will stick" mentality of HVARs.

 

Besides, TTs are more consistent against all targets while HVARs can have mixed results.