USS Boise......

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Is there anything at all this thing does better than the tech tree Helena?

[WashedandDeceased]

Have you seen the heal? 

[invicta2012]

She has a heal. And it's a good one, so it's a more forgiving ship for the rubbish cruiser player (Me) and has a longer life for the good cruiser player (everyone else). Hence it does lots more damage than Helena.

[lafeel]

19 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

Is there anything at all this thing does better than the tech tree Helena?

She helps train skippers without them having to have to be specifically trained to her, costing either credits or doubloons?

[Bear__Necessities]

Can take more damage, meaning you can make more risks gaining higher reward. One of the BEST prem ships available. I actually consider it a ship equal to Belfast and Fiji. 

[WeGreedy]

1 hour ago, lafeel said:

She helps train skippers without them having to have to be specifically trained to her, costing either credits or doubloons?

Or elite commander experience.

[lafeel]

2 minutes ago, B0Tato said:

Or elite commander experience.

Or indeed that.

[Randschwimmer]

It survives longer in operations because of the heal.

[Th3KrimzonD3mon]

2 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said:

Can take more damage, meaning you can make more risks gaining higher reward. One of the BEST prem ships available. I actually consider it a ship equal to Belfast and Fiji. 

In a word, no.

 

You have to take risks, her main gun range is so short you have no other option. That's why she and NDJ have the heal they do, because you have to get into "It's a cruiser make it dead!" range. She doesn't have Belfast or Fiji's smoke, she doesn't have radar, she doesn't have torps, she's very slow, and doesn't turn well.

 

You, personally, may do well in her, but the reality is, most players won't do well in normal PvP with her. However, she does outstanding in Co-op and even more outstanding in Operations. The next ranked sprint will see how she and her clone do in Ranked.

[Yedwy]

@OP Not really if you ask me m8

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Ok guys, thanks for the replies,i was just curious as they almost seem the same ship, as for tier 7 cruisers, I rarely play the American ones, don't even like the Atlanta that much because it is hard to hit anything consistently,even though the rate of fire is simply awesome,some how always have trouble with daka daka guns, and yes it is Op's I am looking at playing these ships in, however I do like the Fiji, to the point of having the Belfast is a bit pointless, in my humble opinion, might be fun in a division, I just don't know.

 

[Yanayuki]

38 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

Ok guys, thanks for the replies,i was just curious as they almost seem the same ship, as for tier 7 cruisers, I rarely play the American ones, don't even like the Atlanta that much because it is hard to hit anything consistently,even though the rate of fire is simply awesome,some how always have trouble with daka daka guns, and yes it is Op's I am looking at playing these ships in, however I do like the Fiji, to the point of having the Belfast is a bit pointless, in my humble opinion, might be fun in a division, I just don't know.

 

Boise/9DJ are god tier in Narai. Specifically because of that sweet, sweet, sweet heal. Throw on a +20% HP flag and oh lawd. Narai will never be the same again.

Especially when you are the one going for the CV. Another huge heal when you go into the bay.

 

Absolutely outweights the slightly shorter range, worse secondaries and AA as well as the worse firing arcs for the back turrets. Ever since I got Boise and 9DJ I never used Helena in Narai anymore.

And it's been about... 200(?) runs in Narai ever since. Heck, could even be more.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

Boise and Helena make Narai a walk into park; They bring havoc between bots, and a Boise or Helena with IFHE will rain down damage & fire non-stop , deleting bot dds in seconds, and usually Helena & Boise are top score almost every game in Narai, with over 10 kills, when a decent player sail her. 

I slapped a perma camo on Helena, and she fills my credits account with piles of money each Narai game.

[Bear__Necessities]

7 hours ago, Th3KrimzonD3mon said:

In a word, no.

 

You have to take risks, her main gun range is so short you have no other option. That's why she and NDJ have the heal they do, because you have to get into "It's a cruiser make it dead!" range. She doesn't have Belfast or Fiji's smoke, she doesn't have radar, she doesn't have torps, she's very slow, and doesn't turn well.

 

You, personally, may do well in her, but the reality is, most players won't do well in normal PvP with her. However, she does outstanding in Co-op and even more outstanding in Operations. The next ranked sprint will see how she and her clone do in Ranked.

She has a huge amount of guns. Great damage especially with IFHE. Great elevation arcs. Good AA. A threat to every surface ship class. She doesn’t need smoke, radar or Hydro. She has other tools and strengths. Yes, I do very well in her. And as an experienced player and cruiser player can categorically state she and Helena are one of the strongest cruisers for its tier. 

[invicta2012]

I rented Boise and thoroughly enjoyed it (even though the results don't look great on the stats page). I wouldn't buy it because a) Helena is free and b) Fiji is better with her hydro/smoke but I can see why people enjoy it. 

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

I do not buy Boise for the same reason, and more, I got a free perma camo for Helena in one of the old events, so she is half/premium now ....

But I will disagree a bit with you, I feel Helena is on pair with Fiji or even better, especially on Ops.

 

Reasons why:

 

Indeed, Fiji has smoke, but Helena has 3 more guns, better health pool, and slightly better fire arcs, also have the "luxury" of HE, a thing denied to Fiji, who often do pathetic damage (or NO damage at all !) against bow-in bb.s

The fact Helena / Boise can use HE (and sure, IFHE) aside AP , coupled with 3 more guns, give here a huge boost in damage, and you can easily see that in Op.s. And Helena do have hydro also,

so you trade smoke (Fiji) for  IFHC + 3 more guns + better health pool (31k Fiji, 33k Hp - Helena

 

Hell,  also Fiji AP is useless vs armored targets at more than 9km ( in Op.s you simply do ZERO dam against forts with Fiji AP.s, so you are forced to get under 9km to eliminate a fort, since you have no HE ...) but Helena/Boise can comfortably rain IFHE from 14km and do a lot of damage. 

Aside note, in Op.s, always a Helena/Boise will come ahead of a Fiji if both have an equal  decent skipper.

[Yedwy]

I still rather sail the belfast tbh

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

21 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

I still rather sail the belfast tbh

Belfast is still the old Winfast, so no argument with you...

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Indeed, Fiji has smoke, but Helena has 3 more guns, better health pool, and slightly better fire arcs, also have the "luxury" of HE, a thing denied to Fiji, who often do pathetic damage (or NO damage at all !) against bow-in bb.s

The fact Helena / Boise can use HE (and sure, IFHE) aside AP , coupled with 3 more guns, give here a huge boost in damage, and you can easily see that in Op.s. And Helena do have hydro also,

so you trade smoke (Fiji) for  IFHC + 3 more guns + better health pool (31k Fiji, 33k Hp - Helena

 

Hell,  also Fiji AP is useless vs armored targets at more than 9km ( in Op.s you simply do ZERO dam against forts with Fiji AP.s, so you are forced to get under 9km to eliminate a fort, since you have no HE ...) but Helena/Boise can comfortably rain IFHE from 14km and do a lot of damage. 

Aside note, in Op.s, always a Helena/Boise will come ahead of a Fiji if both have an equal  decent skipper.

Fiji has a repair party, Helena doesn't. Effectively, Fiji has a much larger hp pool than Helena.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

1 hour ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Fiji has a repair party, Helena doesn't. Effectively, Fiji has a much larger hp pool than Helena.

True. But do that compensate for fewer guns and no HE ?....

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

True. But do that compensate for fewer guns and no HE ?....

Is a different argument. Regardless of which one is better, a fair comparison can never claim that Helena has more effective hp and has to mention Fiji repair party.

 

Not to mention a few other differences that weren't mentioned.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

20 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Is a different argument. Regardless of which one is better, a fair comparison can never claim that Helena has more effective hp and has to mention Fiji repair party.

 

Not to mention a few other differences that weren't mentioned.

Strictly to HP pool, you are right, but the argument, as a whole, was about effectiveness,  and In my view Helena is more effective then Fiji, at least in Op.s.

[HaachamaShipping]

Just now, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Strictly to HP pool, you are right, but the argument, as a whole, was about effectiveness,  and In my view Helena is more effective then Fiji, at least in Op.s.

And that might be the case, but you made the claim Helena had more hp, which is a misrepresentation of facts. I also can't go and claim that the Republique has more hp than Conqueror, despite Conqueror having an absolute meme repair party. Sure, Republique might still be a better ship, but it's because of other factors, not the one fact I just misrepresented.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

6 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

And that might be the case, but you made the claim Helena had more hp, which is a misrepresentation of facts. I also can't go and claim that the Republique has more hp than Conqueror, despite Conqueror having an absolute meme repair party. Sure, Republique might still be a better ship, but it's because of other factors, not the one fact I just misrepresented.

I just told  you are right about HP effective pool, no need to argue further.

[HaachamaShipping]

4 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

I just told  you are right about HP effective pool, no need to argue further.

And tried to divert from it by adding a pointless question. Though, to actually answer your question:

 

Just for ops, Helena is at best as effective as Fiji. Issue is:

• Bots are dumb, good players are not. Usually, few bots will just go bow-in and good players won't just keep shooting bow-in folks for no damage.
• In terms of damage output, Fiji has improved AP and as long as it can make the AP count, it has better output than Helena with HE. Helena has better AP dpm, but not the means to continue spamming AP.
• Two of Helenas consumables (defAA+fighter plane) are absolutely worthless for ops.
• As long as you get your positioning game right, the major challenge for most cruisers is sustain in the onslaught, where Fiji just hands-down wins. Narai and UF are most of all slugging through multiple waves of enemies and Fiji just has the better tools for that. Even if you mess up, Fiji can make some limited comeback, Helena cannot.
• Fiji has 3 torps per side, which are incredibly useful when you need to deal with heavy targets. As someone who once had to solo-kill Missouri in Narai, I really would've appreciated getting goddamn torps and a repair party.

Within a div, Helena can shine, when others draw the fire and Helena can most of all just bring its dpm, if I don't cue up into ops as a div though, Fiji all the way. For randoms, personally I prefer Helena.