The Exeter and other British heavy cruisers

[Munchboii]

The Exeter was and still is the first British heavy cruiser added to the game. My question is, do you think this is just a one off premium or wargame testing the waters to gauge if a full 10 tier British heavy cruiser line would be viable. 

 

I for one would love to see the British cruiser line split into heavy/light. I think it would be a welcome addition however I only want to see it once we have Italian DDs, Cruisers and BBs. Give the spaghettis some love before we pad out the British. 

 

Also does anyone know if the Exeter was removed from sale? I cannot find it anywhere in the armory or premium shop...

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

Which ships would fill tier 7 8 9 10?

[Hanse77SWE]

They only built four classes and Exter was part of the last one in 1931. Question is: Do we want more paper-ships?

[Hopeless_Guppy]

1 hour ago, Hanse77SWE said:

They only built four classes and Exter was part of the last one in 1931. Question is: Do we want more paper-ships?

The answer to that is yes

[Hanse77SWE]

6 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

The answer to that is yes

Not if it's WG guesswork in action.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Just now, Hanse77SWE said:

Not if it's WG guesswork in action.

Oh but that can be so amusing, lol

[22cm]

4 hours ago, Hanse77SWE said:

 Question is: Do we want more paper-ships?

Who wanted soviet batleships?

[Sir_Grzegorz]

Guys you are off topic.

 

I am not able to help as I do own Exeter so what I see may differ from what you see in game.

[lovelacebeer]

Creating a British Heavy cruiser line would be possible if liberally added with paper but I cannot see it happening for a good few years, more likely wargaming will add a County class as a premium the only question is which one. 

[DJ_Die]

52 minutes ago, 22cm said:

Who wanted soviet batleships?

A lot of people. Me included. 

But seriously Russians are the main market and they can be very nationalistic... 

 

As for UK CAs, there were some interesting projects. Most the line would have to paper though, unless you want to stretch the county class into 3 tiers. 

[invicta2012]

Which ships would fill tier 7 8 9 10?

 

 

Although these days we're looking at Hawkins (IV) - she's a Danae with slightly heavier guns and fewer torpedoes - York (V) - Norfolk (VI) - no belt armour, lots of guns, the British Pensacola - Kent (VII) - Surrey (VIII) and then two of the wartime 8 inch gun cruisers for IX and X. 

[gustywinds]

They have hinted at HMAS Australia as the next Commonwealth premium. I would love to see Dorsetshire and a full tree.

[gustywinds]

28 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Which ships would fill tier 7 8 9 10?

 

 

Although these days we're looking at Hawkins (IV) - she's a Danae with slightly heavier guns and fewer torpedoes - York (V) - Norfolk (VI) - no belt armour, lots of guns, the British Pensacola - Kent (VII) - Surrey (VIII) and then two of the wartime 8 inch gun cruisers for IX and X. 

No way they’d have 8 inch at X. Needs Churchill’s super cruiser concept. 

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/106755-british-heavy-cruiser-line/

[RAHJAILARI]

On 5/23/2019 at 5:52 AM, 22cm said:

Who wanted soviet batleships?

I'm just guessing here but... Russian players perhaps?

 

WG gotta cater for the fanbase that really matters to them right?

 

Other than that, I've got Exeter and liked her quite a bit so I would not mind seeing the rest of them in this game also. Even as a partial line only. In any case, they could probably do it up to tier 7 or 8 with real ships (esp. if you include Battlecruisers into it) and then perhaps 2 paper ships, as is already customary by now... That would not bother me any (though I'd only get the real ones for myself, I still see no particular reason to spoil the fun for others). So go right ahead WG!

[T0byJug]

47 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

I'm just guessing here but... Russian players perhaps?

 

WG gotta cater for the fanbase that really matters to them right?

 

Other than that, I've got Exeter and liker her quite a bit so I would not mind seeing the rest of them in this game also. Even as a partial line only. In any case, they could probably do it up to tier 7 or 8 with real ships (esp. if you include Battlecruisers into it) and then perhaps 2 paper ships, as is already customary by now... That would not bother me any (though I'd only get the real ones for myself, I still see no particular reason to spoil the fun for others). So go right ahead WG!

My thought is a tech line douse not HAVE to go to tier X there is no reason one cant stop at 8 lets say or like tanks diverge in to another tech line. RN heavy Cruisers could diverge in to the light or maybe even the BB line at tier VIII with no issue

[invicta2012]

1 hour ago, gustywinds said:

No way they’d have 8 inch at X. Needs Churchill’s super cruiser concept. 

 

There is a sketch for an RN super cruiser with Alaska style armour and 10 or 12 inch guns - neither weapon was in development though, they were just trying to work around treaty limits.

 

But they were much more likely to go for a US style 4x3 8 inch CA design, very similar to Des Moines. Plans for that type of ship were drawn up in 1941/2, so they wouldn't be any more fantastical than the high end RN BBs. 

[RAHJAILARI]

24 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

My thought is a tech line douse not HAVE to go to tier X there is no reason one cant stop at 8 lets say or like tanks diverge in to another tech line. RN heavy Cruisers could diverge in to the light or maybe even the BB line at tier VIII with no issue

Indeed, brother Toby. I cannot but agree,

 

However as long as I get those HISTORICAL ships that I want made available somewhere I'm not particularly bothered by whether or not there are a few or lots of paper ships and whatnots included on the side. I mean I do not HAVE TO possess every single ship in the game myself. So I will do just as I always have, keep those I wanted and simply chuck the rest. Totally works for me either way.

[zFireWyvern]

18 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

 My thought is a tech line douse not HAVE to go to tier X there is no reason one cant stop at 8 lets say or like tanks diverge in to another tech line. RN heavy Cruisers could diverge in to the light or maybe even the BB line at tier VIII with no issue

I don't think it's particularly unreasonable to have the 1940 and 1938 CA design studies at tier 9 and 10 respectively. The 9.2" armed CA is pretty interesting in my opinion. I really don't mind paper ships being added in to fill out a line, rather I think it's more interesting to see what could have been, providing (and I know this is a big ask) WG does it right.

[T0byJug]

1 minute ago, RAHJAILARI said:

Indeed, brother Toby. I cannot but agree,

 

However as long as I get those HISTORICAL ships that I want made available somewhere I'm not particularly bothered by whether or not there are a few or lots of paper ships and whatnots included on the side. I mean I do not HAVE TO possess every single ship in the game myself. So I will do just as I always have, keep those I want and simply chuck the rest. Totally works for me either way.

I'm just a little concerned on the number of Prem ships being released.  Ok many are for free with coal/steel and Free XP.. but only Sad gits like me with 5 figure game count has any chance to have the resources for many of these for free.

 

WG is opening itself up for accusations of pay to win with all these powerful prem ships we are getting.

[RAHJAILARI]

10 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

I'm just a little concerned on the number of Prem ships being released.  Ok many are for free with coal/steel and Free XP.. but only Sad gits like me with 5 figure game count has any chance to have the resources for many of these for free.

 

WG is opening itself up for accusations of pay to win with all these powerful prem ships we are getting.

Indeed, there is cause for concern there. This is why i'd rather have even a patched-up tech tree consisting of a combination both historical and paper ships, which would cover all, rather than to keep adding ump-teen numbers requisitely OP random premiums into the game. I see them more as a game-breakers and a nuisance rather than anything else (though I still have some, mostly reward ships tho). Of course, they have their place as trainers and "moneymakers" and that is fine, but I feel that a premium ship should be considered more of a valuable rarity item rather than a "better" paid alternative to "regular" ships and towards this end their sheer numbers seem to be getting out-of hand already.

[veslingr]

3 hours ago, 22cm said:

Who wanted soviet batleships?

owners of the WG

[veslingr]

15 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

 

 

WG is opening itself up for accusations of pay to win with all these powerful prem ships we are getting.

new lightcrusers (RU and FR) do not seem more powerful than minotaur or Worc. from looks of it they will need high skill to put to gud use cause of devastating strike magnet they seem :)

[T0byJug]

25 minutes ago, veslingr said:

new lightcrusers (RU and FR) do not seem more powerful than minotaur or Worc. from looks of it they will need high skill to put to gud use cause of devastating strike magnet they seem :)

I cant and wont comment on Test ships Because of NDA... and the fact as they are still under testing so the stats we have are probably not final

 

But Stalingrad/Neustrashimy/Nelson/Missouri/Musashi /Jean Bart i could go on.. most are not OP but all are very very strong. Someone that plays as much as me can get them all with only spending on  Prem time. I can and do accumulate huge stocks of coal/steel and free XP,  But most will not.. they will have to spend real money on them or on dubloons to convert XP to get them.

There is a lot of high value high tier prems coming out/Already out.

 

Its great that we can get them for free. its also great we get choices... All I'm saying is the volume of them will make many players shout Pay to win. Not sure i agree with this accusation, but it will be difficult to defend against it.

[veslingr]

11 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

 

 

Its great that we can get them for free. its also great we get choices... All I'm saying is the volume of them will make many players shout Pay to win. Not sure i agree with this accusation, but it will be difficult to defend against the accusation

I really do not care what "most will say" casue most are cryers.

 

now back to topic, how something free (you only neeed to invest time in it) can be P2W)?

 

Coal/steel/free exp are all grindable resources same as silver in game. and most peoples playing average couple of games weekle should have by now 1 or 2 Free exp ships + 1 coal ship....others who invest more time like 2-3 games per day for sure can have 2/3 free exp ships, 2 coual + 1 steel....

 

so P2W really do not stand here...

 

still if we look to most competitive level there is doination of "regular" ships there.

 

cryres will be cryers...but this new ships by no definition can be consider P2W ships

[Aotearas]

22 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

I cant and wont comment on Test ships Because of NDA... and the fact as they are still under testing so the stats we have are probably not final

I'd hope so, because if Flamu's teaser video is anything to go by the Smolensk and Colbert both have significantly better air detectability than they have AA range which would result in a comeback of sneaky AA monster cruisers ambushing aircraft with turned off AA, something WG already wanted to eliminate by giving cruisers a minimum air detectability equal to maximum AA range.

 

Someone might want to remind WG about that.