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In the last two days I decided to jump back on my BB away from the CV grind and suprise, only one game had Cvs in it. Jesus Christ do I hate being in a BB without a CV Teammate. Without a CV  to much of the match rely on the DDs. If you have DD Teammates that don't know what they are doing, it pretty much screws up your BB expierence. Especially on maps with many Islands. Seriously, no amount of CVs could screw up my expierence as a BB compared to one bad DD player. If your  DDs are dead , thats it. Radar is not a thing , Hydro range is laughable and as a BB you are blind as a Bat.  You cannot push because of Torps popping out of nowhere  and sudden enemy crossfire, sailing  the Kongo tthat is quite the thrill.

 

To be honest, it is not even fair to less expierenced DD players to basically carry a huge portion of the win chance on their shoulders. I'm happy as a kid in a candy store when I enter a CV game in my BB, at least I can see the buggers and shoot at them. When I enter a non CV, DD game , I start praying that hopefully one of them in my team has the common sense not to be killed in the first 5 Minutes. Yes, DDs get killed in the first 5 Minutes without CVs....wonder what excuse they have this time.

 

Just scout, seriously, please stay alive and give us targets, don't rush to the Thunderdome like freaking lemmings!

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25 minutes ago, sgtmarple said:

CVs are not the problem in Mid Tier, bad DDs are

Really? I thought bad and oblivious players are...

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In the last couple days I played my low/medium tier DDs quite often. And most games had CVs in them. Didn't bother me much, even when the CVs on my team turned out to be utterly useless...

What bothered me were all those blobbing baBBies that, out of fear of CVs, decided to stay in a big ugly blob far away from where they would have been useful.

So usually, even when I spotted half the enemy team, they were way to far away to shoot at the enemy and way too frightened to move closer to the enemy due to invincible plane shooting CVs...

 

Yes, usually it's BBs that survive long in a battle. Nearly as long as CVs nowadays... mostly because they are so far away from the enemies, that they can win the battle by capping without even getting close to the frightened bloBBies.

 

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2 hours ago, LemonadeWarrior said:

If you start hitting things I will start spotting for you.

this !!!

 

i don't mind spotting, i'm even happy (ish) to get sunk early on if my team act on the information and we end up winning but there's nothing worse than when you get 4 or 5 spotting ribbons early on and despite friendly BBs being nominally in range, every ship you spotted is still at full health 5 minutes later apart from the 1 ship you had to engage because it spotted you, all because the BBs shell dispersion at maximum range makes it a miracle if they even hit the same map, but they're in range so they feel there's no need for them to get any closer, almost always it's the same ones who had spammed the  "i need intelligence" message for the first 2 minutes of the game. hell i've even had a BB asking for intelligence whilst there are 2 ships i've spotted within 12 km of him and firing at him !!!!
 

also i agree about the "blob", BBs (and some CCs) so conditioned that even when there's no CVs they still blob together, inevitably when they get caught with enemy on both sides it's apparently the DDs fault for not spotting despite the DDs having spotted, attacked and sunk whilst they had no support.

 

almost as annoying are the ones asking for "anti aircraft cover"  in a match with no CVs

 

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4 hours ago, sgtmarple said:

In the last two days I decided to jump back on my BB away from the CV grind and suprise, only one game had Cvs in it. Jesus Christ do I hate being in a BB without a CV Teammate. Without a CV  to much of the match rely on the DDs. If you have DD Teammates that don't know what they are doing, it pretty much screws up your BB expierence. Especially on maps with many Islands. Seriously, no amount of CVs could screw up my expierence as a BB compared to one bad DD player. If your  DDs are dead , thats it. Radar is not a thing , Hydro range is laughable and as a BB you are blind as a Bat.  You cannot push because of Torps popping out of nowhere  and sudden enemy crossfire, sailing  the Kongo tthat is quite the thrill.

 

To be honest, it is not even fair to less expierenced DD players to basically carry a huge portion of the win chance on their shoulders. I'm happy as a kid in a candy store when I enter a CV game in my BB, at least I can see the buggers and shoot at them. When I enter a non CV, DD game , I start praying that hopefully one of them in my team has the common sense not to be killed in the first 5 Minutes. Yes, DDs get killed in the first 5 Minutes without CVs....wonder what excuse they have this time.

 

Just scout, seriously, please stay alive and give us targets, don't rush to the Thunderdome like freaking lemmings!

DDs can be a menace for bbs true. It is good luck to have a skilled dd in yr team. Its also good luck to have honorable cruisers to support them. Now that's a rarity. A good cv captain can take a game by himself sometimes. Not easy to play with one. As for good bb players, I have no clue. When I play with a bb half the time I have no idea what they are doing. It's all random. Lately I kinda hunt cvs with my dd if they are in game. I always play better when they are not around for some reason. 

 

Ah well, I'm sure everything will turn out just fine :)

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4 minutes ago, lossi_2018 said:

DDs can be a menace for bbs true. It is good luck to have a skilled dd in yr team. Its also good luck to have honorable cruisers to support them. Now that's a rarity. A good cv captain can take a game by himself sometimes. Not easy to play with one. As for good bb players, I have no clue. When I play with a bb half the time I have no idea what they are doing. It's all random. Lately I kinda hunt cvs with my dd if they are in game. I always play better when they are not around for some reason. 

 

Ah well, I'm sure everything will turn out just fine :)

I got admit that sometime being chased around the map by DD's and usually anything else my team have let through is a bit of a challenge, nice game of cat and mouse so to speak, especially fun in my GZ, my new love after a rocky  start to the relationship, if ever i see a cap where a DD has for whatever reason failed to spot or cap or whatever I will do my level best to spot that cap and try to help out the team on whatever flank is falling, usually with lots of chat salt coming my way but that is just the life of a CV player, lol

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7 hours ago, sgtmarple said:

Yes, DDs get killed in the first 5 Minutes without CVs....wonder what excuse they have this time.

Generally: Smoking up too early and eating Torpedoes, or pushing into a cap, being spotted, and shot at by the entire enemy team who have all pushed up while the DD's team mates are all sailing in circles at the back thinking how cool they look. 

 

8 hours ago, LemonadeWarrior said:

If you start hitting things I will start spotting for you.

Arf. Had an amusing game the other day when I spotted six red ships in the first three minutes. My team made their excuses and sailed in the opposite direction, which I thought was charming.

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8 hours ago, sgtmarple said:

**snip snip**

 

Just scout, seriously, please stay alive and give us targets, don't rush to the Thunderdome like freaking lemmings!

 

Rather than someone that scouts for you, you'd better look for someone who shoots for you...

 

 

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Hmmmmm,Trying a bit more DD play before you complain about how bad DD's are. There been plenty of matches were the CV's have from 1 to 5 ships ( CA's and BB's) covering them and not supporting the rest of the fleet that trying to make cap  or trying to sink something. Something more than just farming damage or just spotting for others to get the glory at the expense of those who have moved forward, not just the DD's but also the few CA's that try to support their DD's.

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10 hours ago, LemonadeWarrior said:

If you start hitting things I will start spotting for you.

This pretty much sums it up, yeah.

 

Is this scenario perhaps familiar?

 

The battle starts and you strike out in your destroyer, heading for the nearest cap. There's a carrier on each team, but as luck will have it the enemy carrier decides to focus on another sector, allowing you some quality time with empty airspace. As you near the cap, you spot several incoming cruisers and battleships, and shells start flying from both sides.

 

You enter the cap, but almost immediately bump into an enemy destroyer. You hit the smoke button, open fire with both guns and torpedo tubes, and start turning away. Suddenly one of the enemy cruisers lands five hits on you, taking off more than half your health and wrecking you engine. You hit the repair button, duck back into smoke and then immediately dash out on the other side to avoid the inevitable torpedo waves. You hear a gratifying BOOM! as one of your torpedoes hits something, but you're too busy to check out what.

 

As you round an island the enemy destroyer comes into view again. After a brief, frantic gunnery duel you sink him, but you take even more damage doing this and his last hit starts a fire. It burns merrily on as you duck and weave to avoid the shells from the enemy ships - holy cow, but there are a lot of them! - and then your repair comes off cooldown and you put the fire out. A quick look around reveals that you are now alone in the cap, with four enemy ships closing fast. You pop smoke and immediately feel like an utter noob as they fade from view - jumpin' Jiminy, but ain't someone else out there spotting anything...?! You have no choice but to leave smoke cover - only to find a whole squadron of enemy rocket planes circling above.

 

You hear the noise of thunder.

 

Your ship's soul shakes off her mortal coil and rises above the turmoil of war. You look around, and you see...

 

...you see two enemy battleships and two cruisers pushing into the cap, passing close by what was lately your ship.

...you see three allied battleships, on almost full health, heading away from the cap and going straight for the map border.

...you hear the farthest of them cry out, in a loud voice, "I need intelligence...!!!"

 

You know he's right, and you search for words of comfort. But before you can type them in chat, the battle ends as the enemy team wins on points.

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4 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

This pretty much sums it up, yeah.

 

Is this scenario perhaps familiar?

....

Sounds like regular game these days^^

There is a second scenario were all BBs of your team are on your flank ...but the outcome is the same :Smile_teethhappy:

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10 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

Your ship's soul shakes off her mortal coil and rises above the turmoil of war. You look around, and you see...

 

...you see two enemy battleships and three cruisers pushing into the cap, passing close by what was lately your ship.

...you see three allied battleships, on almost full health, heading away from the cap and going straight for the map border.

...you hear the farthest of them cry out, in a loud voice, "I need intelligence...!!!"

It's funny because it's true.

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10 hours ago, sgtmarple said:

In the last two days I decided to jump back on my BB away from the CV grind and suprise, only one game had Cvs in it. Jesus Christ do I hate being in a BB without a CV Teammate. Without a CV  to much of the match rely on the DDs. If you have DD Teammates that don't know what they are doing, it pretty much screws up your BB expierence. Especially on maps with many Islands. Seriously, no amount of CVs could screw up my expierence as a BB compared to one bad DD player. If your  DDs are dead , thats it. Radar is not a thing , Hydro range is laughable and as a BB you are blind as a Bat.  You cannot push because of Torps popping out of nowhere  and sudden enemy crossfire, sailing  the Kongo tthat is quite the thrill.

 

To be honest, it is not even fair to less expierenced DD players to basically carry a huge portion of the win chance on their shoulders. I'm happy as a kid in a candy store when I enter a CV game in my BB, at least I can see the buggers and shoot at them. When I enter a non CV, DD game , I start praying that hopefully one of them in my team has the common sense not to be killed in the first 5 Minutes. Yes, DDs get killed in the first 5 Minutes without CVs....wonder what excuse they have this time.

 

Just scout, seriously, please stay alive and give us targets, don't rush to the Thunderdome like freaking lemmings!

 

wtf are you talking about, every game has 2 cv's and everything on the map is spotted , if your goal was to know you are a bad player, ok memo receive ...

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10 hours ago, sgtmarple said:

Yes, DDs get killed in the first 5 Minutes without CVs....wonder what excuse they have this time.

I did the mistake and learnt from it. The thought process is something like:

 

- Oh !! No CV. Goody goody. Now I can play free from the continuous spotting.

- Let's rush the cap...ohhh my...how long I haven't rushed a cap.

- Yes...I'm capping.

- Oh darn, I m radared....

- oops...what are these bubbles?

 

and @sgtmarple becomes Nusret.

 

The CV meta has influenced the DD play-style. So DD skippers* tend to mess up badly when a non CV game is presented to them. It is a form of overconfidence that pops up due to the lack of the major threat. It requires an instant shift of mindset.

10 hours ago, sgtmarple said:

To be honest, it is not even fair to less expierenced DD players to basically carry a huge portion of the win chance on their shoulders.

It is fair. You want to play the most fun ship class in the game? Do the job correctly and take the responsibilities that come along with the fun. First in order - get to learn how to play the class; Second - put at least 500 matches in T5 before you move on to higher tiers.

 

10 hours ago, LemonadeWarrior said:

If you start hitting things I will start spotting for you.

And this is the cherry top of the cake.

 

In chat:

- Guys I m going for A, do I get support or should I do something else?

- F4, F4, F4, F4 (well I guess one of them will help)

-You head for the cap zone only to discover that ALL four of the F four guys are behind that island so they can't shoot diddly or even offer some AA support.

 

or even worse

- mate...why didn't you shoot at that DD when I spotted it?

- because I would get spotted for firing my guns.

 

So to conclude, it is not bad DD players that mess up the game. It is bad players that do not understand the subtleties of the thinking man's game.

 

I'm quoting from one of my previous posts.

"The game, as it is now, allows the player to progress in game a lot faster compared to how fast they develop the skills required to play the game correctly. In other words, the learning curve is not as steep as the progress curve. I don't want to sound paternalistic but this (novice players in high tier games) is not good. Not good for the game nor for the novice player."

 

Regards

Saltface

 

* Please don't say drivers. Say Skipper or Commander or Coxswain. And ships are not parked in the port. They are either moored or docked.

 

Special Note:

44 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

scenario

smiling as I was reading this one. May I please ask of you kind Sir to write more often?

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4 minutes ago, Saltface said:

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Regards

Saltface

 

* Please don't say drivers. Say Skipper or Commander or Coxswain. And ships are not parked in the port. They are either moored or docked.

 

?

Actually Captains or Skippers ( your choice) Drive modern ships, you only Sail a ship that has sails.

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3 minutes ago, Cyclops_ said:

Actually Captains or Skippers ( your choice) Drive modern ships, you only Sail a ship that has sails.

If you’re the captain of a ship, you skipper it, and if you’re the helmsman, you steer or helm it. Also note that Captains command a ship, Skippers are the second in command. A Helmsman actually is on the helm setting the vessel on the course ordered by the Officer of the Watch.

 

A ship is not driven.

 

You sail a ship (as you correctly noted) if it has sails;

You run a ship (but only aground). You can also run a sailboat downwind, but not upwind (that'd be beating) or sideways to the wind (reaching). 

You can also pilot it. To pilot (the verb) has also acquired a specialized modern sense to lead a ship through a difficult or dangerous area of water and pilot (the noun) now generally means such a specialist. But the general sense of steering a ship is still in use today, just as it was in the 19c and 20c. 

In case of a boat you can say either row or propel. You can also paddle a boat.

 

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11 hours ago, sgtmarple said:

In the last two days I decided to jump back on my BB away from the CV grind and suprise, only one game had Cvs in it. Jesus Christ do I hate being in a BB without a CV Teammate. Without a CV  to much of the match rely on the DDs. If you have DD Teammates that don't know what they are doing, it pretty much screws up your BB expierence. Especially on maps with many Islands. Seriously, no amount of CVs could screw up my expierence as a BB compared to one bad DD player. If your  DDs are dead , thats it. Radar is not a thing , Hydro range is laughable and as a BB you are blind as a Bat.  You cannot push because of Torps popping out of nowhere  and sudden enemy crossfire, sailing  the Kongo tthat is quite the thrill.

 

To be honest, it is not even fair to less expierenced DD players to basically carry a huge portion of the win chance on their shoulders. I'm happy as a kid in a candy store when I enter a CV game in my BB, at least I can see the buggers and shoot at them. When I enter a non CV, DD game , I start praying that hopefully one of them in my team has the common sense not to be killed in the first 5 Minutes. Yes, DDs get killed in the first 5 Minutes without CVs....wonder what excuse they have this time.

 

Just scout, seriously, please stay alive and give us targets, don't rush to the Thunderdome like freaking lemmings!

Just go ahead and show us how its done, please.:cap_like:

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2 hours ago, Procrastes said:

This pretty much sums it up, yeah.

 

Is this scenario perhaps familiar?

 

(...normal DD gameplay nowdays...) 

You are right Sir! 

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1 hour ago, Saltface said:

So to conclude, it is not bad DD players that mess up the game. It is bad players that do not understand the subtleties of the thinking mans game.

I love you :fish_cute_2:

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2 hours ago, Saltface said:

So to conclude, it is not bad DD players that mess up the game. It is bad players that do not understand the subtleties of the thinking man's game.

 

5 times I read "subtitles" before understanding it :etc_hide_turtle:

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2 hours ago, Saltface said:

- mate...why didn't you shoot at that DD when I spotted it?

- because I would get spotted for firing my guns.

The pain is real. You know those little texts with random tactical advice, that appear now and then on the loading screen before a battle? They should add this information sticker:

 

"DAMAGE TO YOUR SHIP DOES NOT CARRY OVER INTO THE REAL WORLD"

 

- and have it appear at least once every weekend.

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14 hours ago, sgtmarple said:

In the last two days I decided to jump back on my BB away from the CV grind and suprise, only one game had Cvs in it. Jesus Christ do I hate being in a BB without a CV Teammate. Without a CV  to much of the match rely on the DDs. If you have DD Teammates that don't know what they are doing, it pretty much screws up your BB expierence. Especially on maps with many Islands. Seriously, no amount of CVs could screw up my expierence as a BB compared to one bad DD player. If your  DDs are dead , thats it. Radar is not a thing , Hydro range is laughable and as a BB you are blind as a Bat.  You cannot push because of Torps popping out of nowhere  and sudden enemy crossfire, sailing  the Kongo tthat is quite the thrill.

 

To be honest, it is not even fair to less expierenced DD players to basically carry a huge portion of the win chance on their shoulders. I'm happy as a kid in a candy store when I enter a CV game in my BB, at least I can see the buggers and shoot at them. When I enter a non CV, DD game , I start praying that hopefully one of them in my team has the common sense not to be killed in the first 5 Minutes. Yes, DDs get killed in the first 5 Minutes without CVs....wonder what excuse they have this time.

 

Just scout, seriously, please stay alive and give us targets, don't rush to the Thunderdome like freaking lemmings!

I finished my Iowa grind and this DD problem exists in higher tiers as well I can assure you.

 

Many DD players are simply poor players making poor decisions. And complaining and b1tching in chat! Even after I deleted a broadside DM the dead DD complained about that DM having killed him before.

 

Not playing for the objectives and not being punished hard enough for their mistakes. They don't care as much anymore about actually using their conceilment, they go gunboat in the open because they don't get punished enough for doing so anymore (partially because of BB AP pen nerf and poor accuracy of either BB shell).

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