[EON] Battleship_Division_7 [EON] Players 11 posts 8,074 battles Report post #1 Posted May 9, 2019 Hello Guys, I am wondering if other clan's also face the problem`s we have.. Why is it possible if you are in the Gale League group 1 that u face openents from the Storm league group 1?? We Never get any chance to Up League with so much struggle!! We NEVER played against Lower League Groups!! we played 142 Clan battles this season in total with 2 Divisions.. and still are in the Gale League we have 50% of the battles played against Higher League's! its getting frustrated!!! and what is the points of all these Legue`s and groups anyway... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #2 Posted May 9, 2019 Higher rated clans have secondary teams with low ratings.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EON] Battleship_Division_7 [EON] Players 11 posts 8,074 battles Report post #3 Posted May 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: Higher rated clans have secondary teams with low ratings.... Last Battle we played with Alpha group 1 in Gale League Vs a clan In Storm league group 1 so i don`t understand what that has to do with secondary teams with lower ratings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #4 Posted May 9, 2019 The game shows you only the highest rating of a clan, but not the rating of the current enemy team. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,557 battles Report post #5 Posted May 9, 2019 29 minutes ago, Battleship_Division_7 said: Last Battle we played with Alpha group 1 in Gale League Vs a clan In Storm league group 1 so i don`t understand what that has to do with secondary teams with lower ratings? Their secondary team might have a rating somewhere in gale. So if they play that rating then they're facing opponents corresponding with that rating whilst being a league higher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #6 Posted May 9, 2019 Honestly I can see his point. Our clan is in mid-storm league currently (we don't play that much) and the only clans we encounter are from Hurricane and Typhoon League. I admit we're kind of stomping over the few Storm league clan we fight, but that's exactly the reason why I think we should mostly fight opponents in our league, and if we are effecitvely better, we should move on quickly to higher leagues, instead of being forced to constantly fight against Typhoon/Hurricane which slows our progress through the ladder. I mean that's the whole point of this ladder system... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #7 Posted May 9, 2019 Remove Bravo rating = problem solved Whatfor do we need this anyway Yeye, big clans have 52366 members who all wanna play CBs. Because clans get bigger and bigger, soon we need gamma rating too i guess 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #8 Posted May 10, 2019 6 hours ago, DFens_666 said: Remove Bravo rating = problem solved Whatfor do we need this anyway Yeye, big clans have 52366 members who all wanna play CBs. Because clans get bigger and bigger, soon we need gamma rating too i guess but but but, what if I want to have fun and play an all Harugumo CB? How can I do that then? Honestly, removing it may not be the best solution. Another option could be that only your top rating counts towards completing the missions for steel etc. So if you do want to go storm or gale clubbing: you'll do it without getting rewards and such... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OCTO] Zen71_sniper [OCTO] Players 1,268 posts 36,636 battles Report post #9 Posted May 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, 159Hunter said: but but but, what if I want to have fun and play an all Harugumo CB? How can I do that then? Honestly, removing it may not be the best solution. Another option could be that only your top rating counts towards completing the missions for steel etc. So if you do want to go storm or gale clubbing: you'll do it without getting rewards and such... I agree. While Bravo might have introduced some issues, overall it is a great addition to clan battles. You need Bravo to try new tactics and, for smaller clans (as ours), to allow to play even when you don't have an optimal mix of players and ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,326 battles Report post #10 Posted May 10, 2019 People don't like to get clubbed and the only natural reaction to being "free wins" for higher tier clans is to stop playing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #11 Posted May 10, 2019 Funny thing, there are a lot clans around that rating that do not complain and do not have the "feeling"™ of getting clubbed regularly.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PARAZ] DasTongle Players 1,638 posts 15,421 battles Report post #12 Posted May 10, 2019 36 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: Funny thing, there are a lot clans around that rating that do not complain and do not have the "feeling"™ of getting clubbed regularly.... Of course not, because once you reach gold two you will face that guys regulary anyway. And getting clubbed by this clans should teach about tactics and how to deal with the oponent. When to push when to not push etc. theoretically you the clubbed clan should be able to rebound rather quickly anyway. Just an example due to conflicting shedules we had not much time to bring out our better players and just yesterday made Gold Rating 3 as you can see it was a real easy way... to boot as silver one to face all this.... it's hard it's challenging its fun... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CG] Redcap375 Players 4,371 posts 15,295 battles Report post #13 Posted May 10, 2019 You should play teams in your own league, period. Every sporting nations league do this for a reason. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] lup3s Players 5,744 posts 32,902 battles Report post #14 Posted May 10, 2019 6 hours ago, 159Hunter said: but but but, what if I want to have fun and play an all Harugumo CB? How can I do that then? Honestly, removing it may not be the best solution. Another option could be that only your top rating counts towards completing the missions for steel etc. So if you do want to go storm or gale clubbing: you'll do it without getting rewards and such... We did this with the Scrubs .. all formed a wolfpack and went on one flank .. We had a lot of fun I wish I could've seen the face of the first Des Moines' player we met at that flank .. he spotted one of us and opened fire, only to have 7 Harus fire back at him a neverending HE rainbow .. death by a thousand cuts .. He got sunk so fast it was a thing of pure beauty. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] Fat_Maniac [HOO] Players 2,337 posts 4,238 battles Report post #15 Posted May 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, lup3s said: We did this with the Scrubs .. all formed a wolfpack and went on one flank .. We had a lot of fun I wish I could've seen the face of the first Des Moines' player we met at that flank .. he spotted one of us and opened fire, only to have 7 Harus fire back at him a neverending HE rainbow .. death by a thousand cuts .. He got sunk so fast it was a thing of pure beauty. Now ^THIS^ is a replay I want to see :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #16 Posted May 10, 2019 14 hours ago, Battleship_Division_7 said: Hello Guys, I am wondering if other clan's also face the problem`s we have.. Why is it possible if you are in the Gale League group 1 that u face openents from the Storm league group 1?? We Never get any chance to Up League with so much struggle!! We NEVER played against Lower League Groups!! we played 142 Clan battles this season in total with 2 Divisions.. and still are in the Gale League we have 50% of the battles played against Higher League's! its getting frustrated!!! and what is the points of all these Legue`s and groups anyway... just a bad luck with MM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AAO] OM40 Players 496 posts 29,310 battles Report post #17 Posted May 10, 2019 WG needs to be 100% transparent about how the MM work, I mentioned this problem 2 seasons ago but everyone looked at me funny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] lup3s Players 5,744 posts 32,902 battles Report post #18 Posted May 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said: Now ^THIS^ is a replay I want to see :-) I'll check if I had it saved, else maybe one of the clanmates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CATCH] DDMafiaAssociateMember Players 433 posts 6,031 battles Report post #19 Posted May 10, 2019 As others have said, secondary teams appear to have the rating of the primary team for display, but use their lower secondary rating for matchmaking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #20 Posted May 10, 2019 40 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said: Now ^THIS^ is a replay I want to see :-) We tried it too. Honestly it's a pretty strong line up but it only works because usually you don't know how to counter it. We also fell prey to it once. Once we got a six Stalingrad lineup in front of us and completely wrecked it with our standard setup too. xD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] Fat_Maniac [HOO] Players 2,337 posts 4,238 battles Report post #21 Posted May 10, 2019 40 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said: We tried it too. Honestly it's a pretty strong line up but it only works because usually you don't know how to counter it. We also fell prey to it once. Once we got a six Stalingrad lineup in front of us and completely wrecked it with our standard setup too. xD I can imagine the typical response would be blind panic. That much HE spam raining down on you :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #22 Posted May 10, 2019 The thing is, you shouldn't push it at any cost. Keep your distance and your radar, and play the objective instead. The Harugumo fleet is only dangerous because it works as a swarm, they don't split up or not much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #23 Posted May 10, 2019 CB MM seems to have gotten a pretty damn wide MM bracket window of around 300 points (i.e.: three groups) difference. We had a game after getting into Storm I against a Typhoon I ranked team and yes, we played their Alpha rating, not Bravo. It was markedly also not a case of MM not finding another match after taking too long because we got seeded after just a handful seconds though obviously the chance exists the other clan had been waiting for longer, but quite honestly I don't think there'd be too little opposition at Typhoon I at the time when that happened. I can only presume that was done by WG after Hurricane clans (rightfully) complained about facing basically just three or four other clans all the time because they were so far ahead on points they wouldn't get matched with other teams. And I'd say it's fair enough to have a wider MM spread for Hurricane clans though honestly 300 or so points is goddamn large even for that, any clan that is so far ahead they can only get a diverse MM by getting seeded against clans with much lower ranking can honestly just wait a while until more advance into their MM bracket instead of basically complaining about being too successfull. There's a balance to find, but having clans fight with an entire league's difference in ranking at what I can only assume goes for the entire MM in the current CB season is quite frankly absurd. Gale I clans shouldn't fight Storm I, Storm I clans shouldn't fight Typhoon I, etc. pp.. Combine that with the artificial loss of points given the average rate at which you gain and lose points (WG has stated they designed the system so that just to break even on ranking you still have to win more often than lose rather than the natural 50/50 ratio!) and WG is simply creating their own MM scarcity only to try and combat it by allowing such disparate MM, which is just plain daft if you'd ask me ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EON] Battleship_Division_7 [EON] Players 11 posts 8,074 battles Report post #24 Posted May 10, 2019 Thanks for the reactions all.. i noticed from several reply’s we are not the only one with this problem.. look if u are going for stars to lvl up for the next league i have no problem if u face a lvl 3 group from the upper league that sounds reasonable for me.. we are just a normal clan with casual players.. but it is frustrating more and more.. we just want to reach the storm league at least but it is just impossible due these issue’s I hope they will do something about it next season.. to give normal clan’s at least a oppertunity To go up Greetz BD07 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] lup3s Players 5,744 posts 32,902 battles Report post #25 Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, ShinGetsu said: The thing is, you shouldn't push it at any cost. Keep your distance and your radar, and play the objective instead. The Harugumo fleet is only dangerous because it works as a swarm, they don't split up or not much. True, first team we met rushed towards us and melted under the neverending rainbow .. the second team we met (I believe it was HAMI) played a lot more defensive and - despite it being a close battle - was victorious in the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
