To CV or not to CV, that is the question

[Nechrom]

11 minutes ago, Akula971 said:

I used to get so many upset players asking in chat why I was bullying them, focusing on them. I'll always remember the poor kid in the Normandie, who had played really well, survived his fail team, and I just went back, time and time again, with rockets, bombs, and torpedoes until he was sunk. He just pleaded in chat to stop bullying him. Did he have a good game? I doubt it, there was nothing he could do to stop me. Endless planes. If that CV (HMS Furious) was not in game, then I expect he would have had an epic game, as our surviving ships were just two low HP cruisers and me. Did I feel like I had played well? Not really. Felt more like hitting midget that cannot get close enough to hit you back. It became boring, repetitive, no real skill or challenge. Lose some some planes? Meh, more soon. Risk vs reward? None.

I don't understand why enemies suddenly get this consideration.

You could say the same thing about literally any ship farming a lone ship.

But it's interesting seeing the impression even some CV players get, versus the actual performance of their ship.

[Akula971]

18 minutes ago, Nechrom said:

I don't know what people are doing to get driven this far by allegedly CVs.

 

For me nothing has changed, the only thing that makes me question my commitment to the game is the matchmaker lottery of who gets the potatoes and who gets the decent players.

 

The WoWs community right now:

The RN CL can smoke up, hit back, take some HP off the BB, or sink it torpedoes. Mistakes are punished, you learn not to broadside. The CV? Nope, more planes, more planes. MORE!

 

[Thracen]

Why join, there are games that do a way better job of representing these sort of strike mechanics? If you want to farm the suffering of others might I suggest politics? So yeah I don't think there is any legitimate reason to CV right now. If you enjoy other suffering so much you might as well do as a job instead of being small time on wows. 

[anonym_DKZABZXaXZld]

Thanks, I will definitly try them out.

9 hours ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

As for how to get good at CV

Many thanks!

 

Comments are getting of the rails now and loose their intended purpose. If you want to continue to have a discussion here, feel free to do so, but I won't read them.

[GulvkluderGuld]

OP I am in the same situation....you inspired me to join the Dark Side.

 

I can't make USN DB or rockets work for the life of me...but IJN rockets and DBs and TB are easy to use. Same for RN (although carpet bombs are a joke)

 

 

[tinvek]

 

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

I'll quit when they let carriers into clan battles.

[Blixies]

2 hours ago, Akula971 said:

I played them up to tier 8, which are almost useless in tier 10.

No, they are not. You have to play it smart, sure, but useless? Please....

[ChatBanForSayingTruth]

A CVs is only *edited* as much as bad your oppoment is. Constantly dealing 100k+ dmg in CVs requires skills above the average of this playerbase standards. Dealing 100k in average as conqueror you only need to look at the screen once every 30 secs.

 

Edited: Inappropriate language. Please don't compare the game (or parts of it) with diseases.

 

Arty_McFly

[zedeIeyici]

I love cv s but... When playing DD take 12k-14k damage in a single salvo in the first minute of the game too much!! Besides having a cruiser next to me!! Need balance pls. (sry for my English:)

[Saltface]

7 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

If yes, play CVs. It's primarily why I play them.

Thank you for hating me. Even though I have never wronged you.

 

@Duke_of_Lauenburg

11 hours ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Frankly, try it. Quit if you don't like it.

This

 

If you don't like the meta and you don't like CVs there is nothing for you in the game.

Only by trying CV's  you will know

 

Regards

Saltface

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, Akula971 said:

The RN CL can smoke up, hit back, take some HP off the BB, or sink it torpedoes. Mistakes are punished, you learn not to broadside. The CV? Nope, more planes, more planes. MORE!

 

Lemme repost some shiet

 

On 4/22/2019 at 10:08 PM, Panocek said:

Maxing concealment because not being seen and shot at is intrinsically overpowered?

Stacking survivability skills and upgrades to laugh at fire/flood in BB, basically negating small caliber HE?

Stacking secondaries because dealing damage with main battery is too mainstream?

Stacking AA to shoot down planes?

 

 

19 minutes ago, Saltface said:

Thank you for hating me. Even though I have never wronged you.

You're new to internets I see...

[Saltface]

4 hours ago, Panocek said:

You're new to internets I see...

No, but I beg to differ

 

[samphilconlor]

The current meta is not what I want to play day to day it's just not fun the way the game used to be.

 

Low and mid tiers I don't have a massive issue with CV's but T10 ones and especially games with 2 T10 CV's are just toxic.

 

If a DD try's to take a cap then they instantly lose 2/3 of their health to rocket planes, end result less DD's and DD's less likely to cap.

 

If a BB tries to push then it is non stop bombs and torpedoes from a cupboard that never runs dry, end result clumps of ships that don't tend to do anything much and more boring gameplay.

 

One thing that everyone seems to neglect mentioning is that it's not necessarily the CV's that do the damage but they force you to maneouver to avoid torps and bombs which destroys your angling and opens you up to broadsides from everyone else.

 

The game already had a good rock/paper/scissors concept with destroyers countering battleships, cruisers countering destroyers and battleships countering cruisers. Nothing counters CV's and perfectly good play is punished.... repeatedly.... again.... and again..... and again....... If there was a button to play non CV games I'd click it.

 

Don't get me started on light cruisers and the whole sitting behind an island and lobbing HE thing but that's outwith the scope of this topic.

[Arty_McFly]

Moved from "Gameplay" to "Aircraft Carriers".

 

Kind Regards,

Arty_McFly

[Ilya_Wolf]

6 hours ago, Gong_ER said:

I love cv s but... When playing DD take 12k-14k damage in a single salvo in the first minute of the game too much!! Besides having a cruiser next to me!! Need balance pls. (sry for my English:)

In Midway a while back i managed to detonate a Grozovoi within about 45s of game start, he went full speed boost and left AA on at start.. but even so.. that was really bad.. as you might expect the enemy team completely folded after that since they couldnt cap and we could.

 

They are implementing a "fix" for this soon, delaying the initial takeoff by some time to allow DDs to actually get near the cap before the sky starts falling.

 

Noticed alot of people in this thread are suggesting rockets are the DD slayer, since the nerf quite some time ago, this really is not the case anymore.

DDs have multiple ways to reduce the effectiveness of rocket planes now they take so long to aim, but i guess many people still think 20km shimakaze torps are the bane of BBs everywhere because WASD is too hard 

 

USN Dive Bombers are the true DD nightmare, capable of dev striking, usually crippling the dd for 1/2 or more per drop.

Never get caught far from allied ships without your smoke screen if these things are buzzing around in the skies!

 

As for whether or not you should play CVs, the devs need us to, if they dont have a big enough sample size of stats to see what is broken and what is working nicely.. CVs will never get balanced properly...

[samphilconlor]

Why do moderators move topics about this to the least read areas and close valid polls on the CV rework gauging our opinion?

 

This is a topic on the current meta of the game not just about CV's, nice to see they care about player opinion.

[ChatBanForSayingTruth]

20 hours ago, Sugertukas said:

A CVs is only *edited* as much as bad your oppoment is. Constantly dealing 100k+ dmg in CVs requires skills above the average of this playerbase standards. Dealing 100k in average as conqueror you only need to look at the screen once every 30 secs.

 

Edited: Inappropriate language. Please don't compare the game (or parts of it) with diseases.

 

Arty_McFly

Lol? Arty clearly missed the poll's question.

[HaachamaShipping]

11 hours ago, samphilconlor said:

Why do moderators move topics about this to the least read areas and close valid polls on the CV rework gauging our opinion?

 

This is a topic on the current meta of the game not just about CV's, nice to see they care about player opinion.

They move it to the sections where it belongs. This is a topic about whether to play CV or not, so it belongs here. It is not a discussion about the meta, as specified by the topic creator.

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If you want to comment on balance, there are other threads for that

 

[CptMinia]

23 hours ago, Sugertukas said:

Lol? Arty clearly missed the poll's question.

I have amended my fellow moderator's mistake :)

 

On 5/5/2019 at 12:49 AM, samphilconlor said:

Why do moderators move topics about this to the least read areas and close valid polls on the CV rework gauging our opinion?

 

This is a topic on the current meta of the game not just about CV's, nice to see they care about player opinion.

There are dedicated sub-forums for particular topics of debate, imagine if every single thread made was all in one section. It would be very hectic to moderate or even keep up with. As for closing polls, I don't recall any being closed but maybe another moderator has closed one. I do not know, however generally threads that are repetitive, nonconstructive, negative or trolling are generally locked. Otherwise it invites the toxicity that online activity creates.

[ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa]

Le 04/05/2019 à 02:41, Duke_of_Lauenburg a dit :

So here is my poll:

VOTE QUIT if you don't want to see me in your games as a filthy CV-player and want me to play fun games like Silent Hunter, Workers and Resources, etc

VOTE JOIN if you want to take full responsibility for all the *edited* I will inflict as a CV main

 

 

We need you in the air force, If wargaming is not going to stop nerfing CVs, we'll have to unite and create a new revolutionary movement.

 

My idea is simple, if every one starts playing CVs only, this will ruin the game, and WG will be forced to cancell their nerfs.

 

Im tired with the CV haters, when I play with the shokaku, people often call me "Air Cancer", that gave me an idea, why not to create a new group of People willing to save CVs, I'll call this group "Cancer Airlines"

 

I think that life without cancer is not worth living, if there's no danger, no risk, then life becomes anoying. Same for WOWs, Without CVs game would be not fun, not worth playing.

 

But seriously, CVs are not a bad thing, rather than that it's the unskilled people who keep ranting about CVs because these people are unskilled and will all the time blame something else. As CVs are the minority (2 Cvs per game)

the hater will target them. Simple.

 

So yes, we must defend CVs and send back to the stone age all these haters, after all, we have the air power, these poor peasants won"t do a damn single thing to stop us from reaching our goals.

 

You are NOT allowed to abandon us there with all these anti CV soulless robots,

 

Now Im going back to watch Bob the Builder, because it's more interesting than playing a game where CVs are nerfed to death, (see my post on Hakuryu to understand what's going on)

[Silluminati]

Atleast in the old days, when your cv player was any good he could save you from the planes, now its a useless fighter consumable that you can use limited times, mostly used for spotting. There is no counter, being in a giant blob of AA is not a solution, there is nothing to learn from playing CV-s to counter them. Sure in a DD and a nimble cruiser you can dodge a strike, but guess what, theres more coming, and you better hope that there isnt a another CV player also having a boner for you.

 

Now out of hate you build yourself a full AA tier 10 cruiser with defAA, sure youll shoot down the first squad, he usually gets a drop on you anyway. But if he wants you, he will be coming for you, still doing 10k salvos or even more on you, guess what, your fighters and defAA have limited times you can use them, while he has to wait to or just take another type plane to come nuke you.

 

Planes need to be limited, CVs are stupidly op on in late game, theres noone to stick together with when you have no teammates left, you can literally do nothing. Most likely some of your AA is already knocked out, your consumables already used. Meanwhile parked on the other side of the map a brand new shiny cancer factory.

 

I would either delete them or even bring back the old type of carriers, atleast full AA build meant consequences for carriers, now its a minor inconvenience.

 

I have even seen CVs tank for their teammates also, angle the top tier ones and they survive pretty long under heavy fire distracting players.

[zimmim]

no played this game !!!

 

[CaptainOkita]

On 5/4/2019 at 12:49 PM, CptBarney said:

Get enterfat and bomb the living shiz out of everything. Might as well do the above as well.