Hakuryu

[ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa]

What I'm going to say is very simple to understand.

 

I'm a casual wows player.

Since one week, I started to play CVs taking advantage of the free premium days I had. After less than one hundred games with the

shokaku, I got enough xp to unlock the hakuryu. I didn't have enough credit so I sold all my other ships to buy the hakuryu with all the upgrades.

 

And here comes my problem. With the shokaku, I managed to get an average of 100k damage per game.

But with the hakuryu, not only I can't even get up to half the damage I made with the shokaku, but I also loose 100k credit per game.

 

With the hakuryu, it is impossible to drop torpedos, because ennemy ships see you coming and the distance of activation for torpedoes is so big that the targeted ship will have the time to dodge

even if the aiming is perfect. As it is not possible to drop torps near the target, it is thus impossible to hit the target with torps. Why is the activation distance so insane for the hakuryu's torps ?

 

After loosing millions of credit by playing the hakuryu (-100k credit per game) I gave up and sold the hakuryu to buy a nagato and a ryujo. But what's the point of continuing to play this game ?

 

I mean, my initial goal was to get the hakuryu to have fun. My logic was simple :

 

Hosho = nice cv

 

Ryujo = good cv

 

Shokaku = Very good cv

 

So, with this pattern, I was expecting the hakuryu to be a very very good cv and a fun ship to play with, but no, unfortunatly, it's just a useless floating aircraft container, with the maintenance costing 300k per game,  even loss of credit is impossible

to avoid, even with premium.

 

I then did some research on the internet and I found out that according to some people the hakuryu was "over powered" and that all the things I listed above are just the result of a nerf applied to this ship.

The question I have is why not to simply delete the hakuryu as it is so nerfed that it's just a useless ship ?

 

Fun = 0, gameplay = 0, credits earned = 0, usefulness for team mates = 0, So what's the point of adding a huge and costly ship to the game if it is inefficient and depressing to play.

 

When I was playing the Shokaku, I was so happy, it was awsome to play, fun was there, at every game, I had fun, the games I lost and won. I had fun all the time no matter if it was loss or win.

I thought that the hakuryu was going to be an even better experience, but I was mistaken. Now, after 20 games with the hakuryu, and millions of credits lost, I am depressed. I was so exited about this CV and it was

even the first tier X ship I was going to try, and all of my excpectations got crushed by these 20 games. They 20 games of death almost brought me to death. But I said no, I won't give up, and in a last effort filled with

the hope to see a decent Hakuryu, I decided to write this opened letter to all of mankind.

 

People of the earth, please, listen to this epic call, we must convince Wargaming to give the hakuryu the glory it deserves to have.

 

I know there is pressure on Wargaming, and I know that a lot of people hate CVs, when I heard what some people say in chat, I was shocked.

There is a lot of anti CV racism in the game and that's a problem. The anti CV racists put pressure on WG to nerf all the CVs, specialy the hakuryu.

 

I know that there is pressure, but to fall for that pressure a bad idea. CV like any other ships have their place in the game. I'm not asking for laser guided missiles mounted on aircrafts, nor am I asking for adding any over powered features that would

break the game balance.

 

I... Wa... Watashi... I am just saying that ultra low speed combined with 9000km activation distance for torps is wrong, This kind of things is breaking the game balance.

 

And one last thing, I'm tired of anti CV racism, people hate us CV players, I don't even know why,and because of that hatred, I was about to commit suic... I can't tell you more, all this hatred toward CVs is just a horrible thing.

People often simplify the CV players role, claiming that it's an easy task and so on, they forget that behind every hosho, every lexington, every shokaku, every audacious, there is in fact someone who is audacious and willing to help his

team the best way possible.

 

But with the hakuryu, it's not possible to be audacious, I was so sad and depressed playing this ship, + the insults coming from anti CV haters,I finally came to the point where I ended up torping myself several times.

It was to much painful to play. How can people see with their own eyes CV players all around the world torping themselves and not yet realising that it's a desperate call for help ?

People close their eyes on these issues because they still believe in the "CVs are overpowered" fairy tales. When you repeat a lie thousands of times, you come to a point where even the lier himslef starts believing his own lies.

 

Same thing is going on here, there is in this game, a culture of hatred aimed at CVs. People dislike CVs and then put pressure on Wargaming staff in order to nerf them to death.

That's the sad reality, and in a last breath of hope, I'm writing the last words of this letter.

 

Thank you for reading, Arigato , alekoum salam, gracias, hasta la vista,  danke

 

Captain Katsura

 

 

[martin035]

If you enjoy the CV play style but find the IJN high tier CVs not effective then why not try a different nation, I can tell you now from experience the US Tx Midway gives me and others in the battle a good kicking, so the returns from that ship must be worthwhile.

[ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa]

Il y a 1 minute, martin035 a dit :

If you enjoy the CV play style but find the IJN high tier CVs not effective then why not try a different nation, I can tell you now from experience the US Tx Midway gives me and others in the battle a good kicking, so the returns from that ship must be worthwhile.

 

Yes you are right, but unfortunatly Im just a casual player, so I'll have to wait so much to get an other nation's CV and as I am a japan fan, I only play IJN as a matter of principle

[martin035]

3 minutes ago, ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa said:

 I only play IJN as a matter of principle

Times change,  a few months ago IJN torp boats were my thing from kamikaze, fubuki to shimakaze but these ships ain't fun/easy to play in the present meta. So I turned to DDs with decent AA, KM, Soviet and alt IJN line might even try grind past Benson in the US line.

[Bics93]

Well, have you tried to use the normal torps instead of the long range-long activation time ones?  

[ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa]

Il y a 26 minutes, martin035 a dit :

Times change,  a few months ago IJN torp boats were my thing from kamikaze, fubuki to shimakaze but these ships ain't fun/easy to play in the present meta. So I turned to DDs with decent AA, KM, Soviet and alt IJN line might even try grind past Benson in the US line. 

At least, if I choose the soviets, I'll be able to Rush B and secure it with a good old vodka powered battleship equiped with stalinium armor and 457 mm Tsar guns

thank you for the tip comrade, I hope we'll one day rush B together

[DFens_666]

21 minutes ago, Bics93 said:

Well, have you tried to use the normal torps instead of the long range-long activation time ones?  

 

Oh boy you marked his post boring? You gonna get it now my friend

I got some "retaliation" bad's aswell

 

54 minutes ago, ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa said:

I know there is pressure on Wargaming, and I know that a lot of people hate CVs, when I heard what some people say in chat, I was shocked.

There is a lot of anti CV racism in the game and that's a problem. The anti CV racists put pressure on WG to nerf all the CVs, specialy the hakuryu.

 

Speaking about racism in a game about different classes is an insult to people who have to endure racism IRL

And if a lot (majortiy probably) dont like the way CVs are implemented into the game, then isnt it right for WG to act upon it? In the end, they would lose customers (which they probably already did anyway)

 

btw, Haku upon release was blatantly OP - you now accnowledging that shows how little you care for balance. You want to have fun playing CVs - all others can screw themselves

[ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa]

3 hours ago, Bics93 said:

Well, have you tried to use the normal torps instead of the long range-long activation time ones?  

Have you tried to replace your *edited* who is even slower than gajin's snail by something else more effective ?

 

First of all what's your point ? Does it change something to the reality that I exposed. Second thing, I didn't talk about the other torps because it is obvious that an air group composed of 6 squadrons of two aircrafts is

something uneffective. *edited*

 

First of all, when You are tier X, you don't want to launch only 2 torps, you want to launch at least 3 or 4. Moreover, An air group of 6 squads would be deleted by AA even before making 3 launchs. You'll make 2 launchs if you are lucky.

 

Now do your homework and do not forget to *edited*

 

*edited*

 

Edit: Removed derogatory content.

 

Arty_McFly

[B051LjKo]

2 hours ago, ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa said:

What I'm going to say is very simple to understand.

....

 

But with the hakuryu, 

 

Thank you for reading, Arigato , alekoum salam, gracias, hasta la vista,  danke

 

Captain Katsura

 

 

Very simple answer. Hakuryu is a piece of crap. Buy back the Shokaku and enjoy the game, or get Lexington or Saipan and have a blast. I am averaging 120k+ dmg and around 500k kredits of earning per game. Up to a million on a good game.

[ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa]

Il y a 3 minutes, Xanta99 a dit :

"But with the hakuryu, it's not possible to be audacious, I was so sad and depressed playing this ship ."

 

I'm sure there is a CV out there to try that can be Audacious.  Let me see if I can remember its name...

As it's tea time, I can't play the british ships, and with all that sadness, everything I need is Burrnnnninnng Lovvveee, So I guess Im going to play Kongo, oh wait, I also sold the Kongo with the rest of my fleet to buy the hakuryu with full upgrades.I guess I won't get burning love any more for a while.

 

Il y a 9 minutes, B051LjKo a dit :

Very simple answer. Hakuryu is a piece of crap. Buy back the Shokaku and enjoy the game, or get Lexington or Saipan and have a blast. I am averaging 120k+ dmg and around 500k kredits of earning per game. Up to a million on a good game.

Thank you bro, finally someone with the same feelings. I got 19 million credits for selling the hakuryu, but as I bought a nagato and a ryujo (I don't even know why I bought a ryujo) I have 8 millions credits only left, but I'll be able to buy the Shokaku soon and like that every thing will be fine and I'll be able to have fun again by giving burningu lovu to the CVs haters

[Panocek]

25 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

Very simple answer. Hakuryu is a piece of crap. Buy back the Shokaku and enjoy the game, or get Lexington or Saipan and have a blast. I am averaging 120k+ dmg and around 500k kredits of earning per game. Up to a million on a good game.

Dunno, mine Haku works just fine and makes decent buck. Are you certain you don't play with Shokek with Wyvern signals or French camo?

[Bics93]

1 ora fa, ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa ha scritto:

Bla bla bla, I didn’t even change torpedo bombers module and this guy made me look stupid, bla bla bla, Ghandi’s photo, bla bla! 

 

Well, if you can’t use the 2x6 torpedo layout at tier 10, you’d better stay at tier 6-8 with Ryujo and Shokaku then 

 

@DFens_666 ouch, did I miss something about this guy? Is he a known troll? 

[ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa]

Il y a 6 minutes, Panocek a dit :

Dunno, mine Haku works just fine and makes decent buck. Are you certain you don't play with Shokek with Wyvern signals or French camo?

I never play with camos because I don't have any, and I don't have premium, I don't even understand how you can enjoy the hakuryu, unless if you have premium + camos and flags so that you make tons of credits even with 50k damage per game

I don't really want to spend money in the game just to play a T10 ship.

 

Il y a 12 minutes, B051LjKo a dit :

Well, after getting 3 out of 4 premium cvs in 20 crates recently, i currently have a surplus of 70 million silver without even trying that hard.

If only I had the kaga, I would be so happy, have fun with your cvs brow

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, Bics93 said:

@DFens_666 ouch, did I miss something about this guy? Is he a known troll? 

 

Not that i know of. I just marked his post as "bad" for the racist thing, and couple of minutes later he went to my last 2 posts and marked them bad aswell

Think we went back to kindergarden

[Xevious_Red]

The 4x3 squadron is garbage and not worth using.

 

The 2x6 squadron is what most people will advise using, since the torps are fast and have a short arm distance.

 

Dodging flak, using heal, using zoom and boom tactics (don't try to turn around in the AA, instead speed out the other side before turning around) means you can usually get 4-5 drops per squad instead of 2.

 

Using the 2x6 you can get decent results.

 

I agree it's disapointing that the tier X has a unique option (4x3), but that the unique option isnt worth using, leaving you with "more of the same"

[ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa]

Il y a 2 minutes, Xevious_Red a dit :

The 4x3 squadron is garbage and not worth using.

 

The 2x6 squadron is what most people will advise using, since the torps are fast and have a short arm distance.

 

Dodging flak, using heal, using zoom and boom tactics (don't try to turn around in the AA, instead speed out the other side before turning around) means you can usually get 4-5 drops per squad instead of 2.

 

Using the 2x6 you can get decent results.

 

I agree it's disapointing that the tier X has a unique option (4x3), but that the unique option isnt worth using, leaving you with "more of the same"

 

Hey bro, thanks for that constructive message. What you said is the truth. But unfortunatly I'm too much greedy to buy premium. I think that premium allows at least to not loose too much credits. And when I use the 2 torps squads, I get same thing as if I was using the shokaku, but the only difference is that I loose so much credit while with the shokaku I win so much credits lol

[Xevious_Red]

14 minutes ago, ZuraJanaiCaptanKatsuraDa said:

 

Hey bro, thanks for that constructive message. What you said is the truth. But unfortunatly I'm too much greedy to buy premium. I think that premium allows at least to not loose too much credits. And when I use the 2 torps squads, I get same thing as if I was using the shokaku, but the only difference is that I loose so much credit while with the shokaku I win so much credits lol

Yeah the tier X generally lose money, it seems geared that way so that you can't stay at tier X while still playing for free.

The options are pretty much:

-Get premium (earn 50% more credits)

-Put on the perma camo (5000 doubloons). This increases earnings and reduces cost.

-Earn credits using a different ship to finance your tier X

-Be so good that your earning outstrip your costs. You have to be pretty damn good to achieve this though.

[Arty_McFly]

Removed off-topic and spam. Please stick to the topic (battle performance of Hakuryu).
Also, "gameplay" is the wrong section for this topic. Moved to "Aircraft Carriers".

 

Kind Regards,

Arty_McFly

[Bear__Necessities]

Also, the fact you think dislike of CV’s is on par with actual racism?? Really?? Sort yourself out.

[Torped1ne]

So with the new change to this ship will torpedo spam will be a thing again? How does these affect gameplay? Beta tester tell us something

[Nit0]

As someone else mentioned, pick the 6km torps, yes fewer torps in water, but easier to hit. And no, it's not the same as Shokaku, you now have 6km concealment on your planes = less reaction time for enemy to avoid torps. 

 

It's a good cv, but requires more from the player than Midway (you need to know what ships are good to ap bomb, and how to do it to get the citadels, while Midway are happy with a fire or two). 

 

Selling everything you have to play tier 10 is not recommended because of economy, and this game is not only about top tier. I would rather spend time in tier 6-8 for the first 1000 games and really learn the game, than to be slaughtered at tier 10 (less room for mistakes) 

So try out different classes and nations, have fun and don't put too much energy into grinding to tier 10 is my recommendation. 

[Nit0]

So, if I was you in your situation I would do this:

- Sell Hakuryu (I guess you already did this), remember to keep the captain

- Buy Shokaku again, move the captain over to this ship. 

- Start a new class / nation that interest you, and grind up. 

 

You now have two ships to play, the ship you are grinding and Shokaku (to have fun, since you like this ship and to grind on this captain to get it to 19 points). It's when you have several ships to choose from, this game really starts to shine. And if you like any of the ships tier 6+ you are grinding, keep them. It's always good to have options when it comes to what tier you want to play (especially if you join a clan and happens to play in divisions with other players). Personally I have 10k battles now, and I play everything from tier 6 up to 10, so the game is not only about the last tier, remember that :)

[miso_horny]

BTW, I think, after HE bombs nerf, Hakuryu will be much better than Midway.

[Whistlersmom]

I mean .. Practice makes perfect, went and checked your profile , 20 games in Haku as compared to over 200 in shokaku . ofc you are gonna struggle if you don't play the ship and practice it. The AA is alot stronger @t10 in comparison to t8. Make sure to use the 2x torpedo bombers over the  4x ones . as the 2x will fly under flakclouds when your run has been initiated. The 4x ones does not. I did not like Haku at the start either, but kept practicing and got decent at it , its alot more fun to play in comparison to midway for me now at least. 

[El2aZeR]

20 hours ago, airsickgeoduck said:

BTW, I think, after HE bombs nerf, Hakuryu will be much better than Midway.

 

What nerf lol?

The HE DB adjustment is actually an incredible buff.