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How's the worcester and cruisers like that balanced?

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Who the hell at WG thought hey, lets make a ship that can deal 5k damage every seconds and spits fire like a flamethrower. It will be healthy to the game. Ridicolous

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Once saturation kicks in the Woosters damage drops quite dramatically, same for the Atlanta. Not to mention both ships are pretty damn squishy (Wooster can troll you however) and once you starts to get some distance even a BB can avoid their shells.

 

A Wooster positioned behind an island is a pain, but the effectivness lowers the fewer ships continue their push towards that section of the map or try to dig it out with flanking. Also contrary to popular beleif, a stationary Wooster gets absolutely blapped by CV's if you island hug for too long.

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Wait till they add the glorious russian (bias) smolensk soon ™

Its the offspring from Minotaur + Worcester :cap_haloween: Smoke HE dakka anyone :cap_rambo:

 

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Correction, its not every second, more like every 4,5 seconds :cap_yes: If you were playing Republique: You want to avoid getting into wooster range, it can pen you literally everywhere. Hightier IJN/US/German BBs have a bit better chance to shatter those HE shells. But UK/French BBs are free farm for a Wooster.

 

In the end, it only shows that WG is unable to make balanced ships. I think downhill started when UK Cruisers were first introduced, with Smoke dakka, even if it was AP only. Every new line needs more gimmicks.

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Meh worcester seems alright! but i think it they should raise the citadel just a little bit! Also the ship relies on hiding behind islands, it really sucks in close quarters! 

However ships like kitakaze, harugumo, midway and the broken american HE bombs, super armored tier 3-5 soviet battleships, soviet giulio cesare but with better sigma and dispersion propeba all of these should get nerfed they are way more game breaking than worcester!

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They said somewhere they are going to change how IFHE works. and light cruisers won't be able to pen 32 mm anymore

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10 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Wait till they add the glorious russian (bias) smolensk soon ™

Its the offspring from Minotaur + Worcester :cap_haloween: Smoke HE dakka anyone :cap_rambo:

 

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Correction, its not every second, more like every 4,5 seconds :cap_yes: If you were playing Republique: You want to avoid getting into wooster range, it can pen you literally everywhere. Hightier IJN/US/German BBs have a bit better chance to shatter those HE shells. But UK/French BBs are free farm for a Wooster.

 

In the end, it only shows that WG is unable to make balanced ships. I think downhill started when UK Cruisers were first introduced, with Smoke dakka, even if it was AP only. Every new line needs more gimmicks.

I would argue that the Wooster is strong when in open water and OP when island hugging properly and the CV is either a tier 8 or not overly competent. Removing Hydro would be a nice way of atleast removing some of its swiss army knife potential. And let's see how the proposed IFHE screws up changes the game.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, AronForce said:

Who the hell at WG thought hey, lets make a ship that can deal 5k damage every seconds and spits fire like a flamethrower. It will be healthy to the game. Ridicolous

Well you could say that about the majoyrity of the ships in the game. Yamatos guns, Harugumo spam, Kutuzov, Belfast, Carriers in general, Shima, Concueror etc etc etc.

 

Wooster has rainbow arcs and short range so just dont sit parked still in his range. And he needs islands to hide behind or insta-blapp so just re-position and he cant hit you. Actually Woosters are some of the easiest ships to counter. How do you feel about Henris spamming you from 19 km?

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wooster is a fun boat to play and if you get into a good position you can shred pretty much everything. 

dont get into close range tough, then you're screwed. 

wooster is the ship that i get most 200k+ games in id say, set 3 bbs on fire and watch those numbers tick.

DDs will hate you too if they get <10km and are spotted. 

it can open water A LOT better than the minotaur plus fire allows for effective hit and run tactics. set fire, go dark, wait for DC, set fire, go dark, rinse and repeat. 

 

does have its weaknesses tough, you are unable to brawl with any of the bigger cruisers like a DM or Moskva. 

Henri & other wooster comes down to skill. 

minotaur you can usually shred unless he catches you at a bad angle. 

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37 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

 And let's see how the proposed IFHE screws up changes the game.

 

WG will probably do some retarded crap :cap_old: Making BB armor shatter IFHE HE is clearly the wrong way to go imo. WG wants to bring the CA <-> CL balance back in line, but thats not achievable by making BBs "invulnerable". CAs wont shatter the small caliber IFHE, but BBs will, and with reduced Firechance, BBs will take even less damage. So what do you shoot with 152mm HE? Other Cruisers ofc! Side-effect will be, that Harugumo would also shatter on 32mm BB plating... one more reason to farm Cruisers instead of BBs :fish_palm:

Unless they change all the armor plating, which somebody else mentioned in the leaked info... but who knows if they gonna do that.

 

Having CA AP overmatch places on CL Armor might have been enough - no need to screw up everything without knowing what actually might happen. IFHE in general should just go, and change HE to not be 1 or 0 when it hits armor which it cant penetrate. Hit thicker armor = less damage maybe?

 

9 minutes ago, bloodynicknames said:

does have its weaknesses tough, you are unable to brawl with any of the bigger cruisers like a DM or Moskva.  

Henri & other wooster comes down to skill.  

 

Imo Moskva is much easier than Henri. Moskva has no torps and slow reload. Wiggle in and out so if he uses AP he would bounce. His HE DPM is too low compared to your own. Henri has Reloadbooster and torps. For a short time, he can dish out SO much DPM, and force you to full angle otherwise he can go back to AP.

DM is the worst one, that i agree with. Improved pen angles and short reload means, you cant show too much side against it. Hindenburg i rate same as Moskva. Zao is "worse" because it has so accurate guns that his HE hurts like hell aswell, and trollarmor ofc.

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If a wooster is farming you from behind an island, you failed by putting yourself into a bad position.

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Apparently every ship in the game needs nerfing. Its just silly how many Whiners there are these days. 

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1 hour ago, AronForce said:

Who the hell at WG thought hey, lets make a ship that can deal 5k damage every seconds and spits fire like a flamethrower. It will be healthy to the game. Ridicolous

Apart from Henri and DM winning more games for their team...

 

It helps to not rush blindly into situations. Wooster has only a limited threat range.

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2 hours ago, ollonborre said:

And let's see how the proposed IFHE screws up changes the game.

 

They screwed it up in the first place making 100mm HE shells on the Harra pen 32 mm of armour!

 

What an absolutely stupid thing that was. Things like that? Not the brightest of moves. 

 

DD out-right penning battleships? How ******* stupid.

 

Oh well, it's a arcade game after all don't forget. RL goes right out the window.  Fair enough. 

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30 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

 

They screwed it up in the first place making 100mm HE shells on the Harra pen 32 mm of armour!

 

What an absolutely stupid thing that was. Things like that? Not the brightest of moves. 

 

DD out-right penning battleships? How ******* stupid.

 

Oh well, it's a arcade game after all don't forget. RL goes right out the window.  Fair enough. 

In all fairness the Harudrama could have been avoided if they made something new and interesting, like 1/5 pen instead of 1/4. That way you could have avoided the 32 pen fiesta. But nope.

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IPHE CHANGE?  because light cruisers needed nerfs! i guess all the soviet cruiser up to t9 are OP, perth,huang he, boths ducas, american light cruisers are OP as well right and they need nerfs right? Why change a whole skill when you just need to nerf some ships like harugumo and kitakaze it is so simple give it 1/5 he pen. Nerfing IPHE will result in a performance drop and a big buff for battleships! So if they nerf HE and IPHE battleships will become the dominant class and how do you counter bbs? destroyers seem to be extinct because of carriers so i guess the carriers them selfs will be the biggest counter!

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3 hours ago, Oldschool_Gaming_YT said:

...and short range ....

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Worcester has its own weaknesses, last night I killed two in one game uses a Harug in the open, they burn as good as any other ship.

 

Using the option to boost to 19K doesn't work, tried it awhile back in my Worcester and by the time shells float there way to the landing point, the target ship is on the next map, same issue as using it in a Mino.

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30 minutes ago, pra3y said:

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Have you tried to actually hit something at such range? Because even beached battleships will evade that:Smile_trollface:

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1 hour ago, Oldschool_Gaming_YT said:

Well, usually players choose the reload mod

I prefer range because of flexibility and utility in gameplay I guess.

 

49 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Have you tried to actually hit something at such range? Because even beached battleships will evade that:Smile_trollface:

I sure can :Smile_trollface: Well if its a BB or CV. Cruisers depending on whether or not they are sailing in a straight line :Smile_teethhappy:

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1 hour ago, Oldschool_Gaming_YT said:

Well, usually players choose the reload mod

 

Or even AA is more useful :cap_haloween:

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4 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

Every new line needs more gimmicks.

Which indeed was cancerous for a while now. Thankfully WG gave the Soviet BB-line a conservative setup without gimmicks. So it seems they are at least trying.

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6 minutes ago, drmajga said:

Which indeed was cancerous for a while now. Thankfully WG gave the Soviet BB-line a conservative setup without gimmicks. So it seems they are at least trying.

 

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strong AA (to counter CVs) alltho im not sure how strong the midtier BBs are

short DCP (More CV counter)

Armor which can shatter most Cruiser HE, even if not on every tier.

Very good dispersion - atleast close-midrange. And Slava has insane dispersion even on maxrange...

 

Offset: Having a Citadel :Smile_trollface:

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