Soviet Battleships: The History and Features of the In-Game Ship Models

[Lacomble1942]

17 hours ago, defender128 said:

I posted something similar before and they just deleted my post lol

Sovjet ! Does say enough. no expl needed .

[HystericalAccuracy]

1 hour ago, cicciolorenz said:

Obviusly during the 2015/2020 italian congress in wich every 60 million fellow citizens we met at the coloseum and we all said that WG Lesta should not have our precious blueprints

tbh i don´t get what you mean

 

afaik WG said in an interview with developers in 2015 that Italian lines are to be postponed because Italian archives are difficult to access. When access finally was granted, WG had very limited time to use them and wasn´t allowed to take anything outside of the facility.

 

On top of that, an Italian player (prolly a historian) who has/had to do with the institution which holds the archives confirmed about how "strict and time consuming" the procedure is for everyone - and especially for foreigners (so much for "rashian sekret archives") - who wants to access them.

 

Nope, 2015 is long ago i don´t know where in our forum´s archives these infos can be found.

[Lacomble1942]

17 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

As far as I am aware: two.

 

- Tsushima 

- Doggerbank incident (1904)

 

The first one being a harsh defeat - the second one ... well look it up 

 

 

on the other hand: we can joke all day long about it but the more important question really is: are these ships balanced. I can perfectly live with such a full-fantasy line unless they the make them OP for patriotic reasons 

So in order that have some sovjet Battle ships the give use fake ships. To keep Russian gamers  happy

[Lacomble1942]

18 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Since when is that a requirement or do you want to remove Vanguard fom the game?

Sure why not. There are planty ships left that has some real history. Dont give that crap of ships  that might not even have a blue print. 

[HystericalAccuracy]

Just now, Killroy67 said:

give use fake ships. To keep Russian gamers  happy

like they did with the Pan-Asia-line to keep Asian players happy. Strange thing when a company tries to keep its customers happy, huh? 

[WG_Lumberjack]

9 minutes ago, drmajga said:

tbh i don´t get what you mean

 

afaik WG said in an interview with developers in 2015 that Italian lines are to be postponed because Italian archives are difficult to access. When access finally was granted, WG had very limited time to use them and wasn´t allowed to take anything outside of the facility.

 

On top of that, an Italian player (prolly a historian) who has/had to do with the institution which holds the archives confirmed about how "strict and time consuming" the procedure is for everyone - and especially for foreigners (so much for "rashian sekret archives") - who wants to access them.

 

Nope, 2015 is long ago i don´t know where in our forum´s archives these infos can be found.

It is very hard to get access to that kind of information.
Not so long time ago I was trying to help to get blueprints from one particular nation.

First question I've been asked: "Are you sure your company is not related to GRU?"
 

[MrFingers]

1 hour ago, SparvieroVV said:

If only WGEU hadn't pissed off Steffsap before he passed away.

Care to elaborate?

[ColonelPete]

9 minutes ago, Killroy67 said:

Sure why not. There are planty ships left that has some real history. Dont give that crap of ships  that might not even have a blue print. 

When you remove all blueprints, paper designs and ships that never saw combat, there will not be much left. And the tech trees look like swiss cheese.

Yamato will be the king of the hill as the only Tier X BB...

[SparvieroVV]

30 minutes ago, MrFingers said:

Care to elaborate?

 

Before my time. I think Stefano deleted all his posts in 2014?

[Jean_Bart]

On 4/29/2019 at 4:00 PM, The_EURL_Guy said:

Welcome eight new steel monsters, ready to hit the high seas in World of Warships!

Read it on the portal

Out of these 8 ships, only one was real (Gangut), one was an incomplete hull (Izmail) and one was laid down but scrapped far before completion (Soviet Union)!

On 4/29/2019 at 5:39 PM, Silvercat18 said:

Russia has always been about tanks, really. They have some lovely tanks.

At least they could have introduced Novorosyisk (Giulio Cesare) at tier 6 and Archangelsk (Royal Sovereign) at tier 7 as more real an existing ships, instead of complete fantasies/fakes!

On 4/29/2019 at 6:09 PM, Silvercat18 said:

So, what are the strong points of soviet battleships in the game - if japan is range, Germany is close etc, what do the Russian ships bring to the table and what are their handicaps?

Most of these ships are significantly up-gunned and up-armored compared to same tier counterparts also having much more health!

The tier 7 Sinop has more health, more gun-barrels and higher speed than Nagato (the strongest ship afloat when comissioned)!

Not to mention armor and hidden in-game mechanic features in favor of the soviet ships, which no doubt exist !

On 4/29/2019 at 7:28 PM, Srle_Vigilante said:

On 4/29/2019 at 11:05 PM, Killroy67 said:

So sorry for the game with all these fake ships.

The game has less and less to do with history and more and more to do with wannabe propaganda!

It already grew to the point of being repulsive!

12 hours ago, deBanfield said:

What about some non-fantasy, i.e., REAL Italian Battleships! Isn't it about time?

They already removed half of the carriers, ALL of which were existing ships!

If they have made the soviet tech tree with gaps in some tiers instead of filling them with complete fakes, it would have been more acceptable!

If we had pre-dreadnought battleships at lower tiers in all tech-trees, the game would have been spared of so many fakes!

6 hours ago, drmajga said:

tbh i don´t get what you mean

 

afaik WG said in an interview with developers in 2015 that Italian lines are to be postponed because Italian archives are difficult to access. When access finally was granted, WG had very limited time to use them and wasn´t allowed to take anything outside of the facility.

Indeed!

It was so much easier for them to use their fantasy and go wild instead !

6 hours ago, WG_Lumberjack said:

It is very hard to get access to that kind of information.
Not so long time ago I was trying to help to get blueprints from one particular nation.

First question I've been asked: "Are you sure your company is not related to GRU?"
 

Removing historic ships and introducing fakes ruins the game!

[Ashtaron]

8 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

Out of these 8 ships, only one was real (Gangut), one was an incomplete hull (Izmail) and one was laid down but scrapped far before completion (Soviet Union)!

How adorable. Wanna do the same count for the French BB line?

 

13 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

fakes

Ah, you all keep using that word. That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Or maybe you just don't see the distinction between paper and fake. Or maybe you do, but ignore it anyway because it'd be hard to harp on about Bussian Rias, propaganda and whatnot otherwise. Which one is it?

[HystericalAccuracy]

Just now, Jean_Bart said:

It was so much easier for them to use their fantasy and go wild instead

Like you did? You make a funny statement with no message. You are laughing my comments away like you have no facts, no proof/disproof, only your aversion to everything that´s Russian.

[victorem]

so everyone dissapointed because these ships never were made, 

 

then everyone happy about space battles, halloween crap, manga models and Hello Kitty commanders. 

 

the craziest player base in the world.

 

btw   when is  Andorra´s  ship line comming out? we ve been waiting for years.

 

[Srle_Vigilante]

Man i keep coming back to this thread and everyone is reeeing because they didn't exist. And i'm like... "So German CV line 2020?"

[piet11111]

I would like a description of the design of the Lenin.

[Jean_Bart]

15 hours ago, Ashtaron said:

How adorable. Wanna do the same count for the French BB line?

Sure!

 

Out of 8 French Tech-tree battleships 3 were fully comissioned and operational (Courbet, Bretagne and Richelieu), against only one in the russian tech-tree!

France 3 : 1 Russia

 

In addition there are 2 premium french battleships that were real (Dunquuerque and Jean Bart), against 2 russian - October Revolution (refitted Gangut) and Imperator Nikolai I.

France 2 : 2 Russia

 

Normandie was launched but before being completed as a BB, her hull was converted into aircraft carrier Bearn! Battlecruiser Izmail was also an incomplete hull, but scrapped. This particular case could be interpreted favorably for russian tech tree as a tie!

France 1 : 1 Russia

 

There are 4 french battleships that were not laid down but were subject of serious and real design studies (Lyon, Alsasse Bourgogne and Gascogne) (you can find plentiful information about them)! The Soviet Union class was laid down but scrapped far from completion!

Summary - 4 existing french projects and one unfinished russian project could be at best interpreted as a tie:

France 1 : 1 Russia

 

Five out of the eight russian tech-tree battleships NEVER existed and you cannot find any historic evidence for their existence even as design studies outside the Wargaming's cyber realm!

There are only 2 french battleships in the game, which have no real historic background of any kind!

France [-2] : [-5] Russia

 

Total result:

France 5 : 0 Russia

France wins by margin of 5 points, even after interpretation of facts favorably for the russian tech tree!

 

In sum the russian tech tree is *mostly* full of fake ships !

15 hours ago, Ashtaron said:

Ah, you all keep using that word. That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Reallyyyyyy ?!

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fake#Etymology_1

Check the dictionary and try again !

14 hours ago, drmajga said:

Like you did? You make a funny statement with no message. You are laughing my comments away like you have no facts, no proof/disproof, only your aversion to everything that´s Russian.

All i presented are facts !

What did you present instead?!

If you think i am not right, please point out where exactly i am wrong and give more reliable FACTS instead (if you can)! (I am sure you cannot!)

5 hours ago, victorem said:

then everyone happy about space battles, halloween crap, manga models and Hello Kitty commanders.

I am not happy about these features of the game, i don't play or use them and i have them disabled, because such content is far from my age-range and interests !

Furthermore my age progresses in the opposite direction of the age range of such content, hence i doubt it would ever become attractive for me at any point of the timeline of this Universe !

[Ashtaron]

 

 

58 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

Out of 8 French Tech-tree battleships 3 were fully comissioned and operational (Courbet, Bretagne and Richelieu), against only one in the russian tech-tree!

Off to a good start!

 

58 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

In addition there are 2 premium french battleships that were real (Dunquuerque and Jean Bart), against only one russian - October Revolution (refitted Gangut).

France 2 : 1 Russia

Wonderful logic, especially given that I specifically asked for line ships, not premiums. I suppose if WG adds the other 3 Ganguts and 2 Black Sea battleships, the tally would suddenly become 2:6. Whoops.

 

58 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

Normandie was launched but before being completed as a BB, her hull was converted into aircraft carrier Bearn! Battlecruiser Izmail was also an incomplete hull, but scrapped. This particular case could be interpreted favorably for russian tech tree as a tie!

Are we still arbitrarily including premiums? Because I got this nice Imperator Nikolai I'd like to sell you.

 

58 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

There are 4 french battleships that were not laid down but were subject of serious and real design studies (Lyon, Alsasse Bourgogne and Gascogne) (you can find plentiful information about them)! The Soviet Union class was laid down but scrapped far from completion!

So what's the criteria of "serious and real design studies"? I consider Vladivostok and Kreml/Pobeda (or Slava, or whatever the hell WG wants to call it now) as serious as they come, given that the first one was a predecessor of Project 23 and the latter were its successor. Never laid down? None of the Frenchies you listed were, either!  Nice job listing Alsace twice, by the way. Surely nobody would notice.

Looks your tally needs readjustment again.

58 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

Five out of the eight russian tech-tree battleships NEVER existed and you cannot find any historic evidence for their existence even as design studies outside the Wargaming's cyber realm!

There are only 2 french battleships in the game, which have no real historic background of any kind!

 

No, that's your ignorance and arbitrary approach to historical evidence to blame here, not lack of one. People like XeroSnake on NA forums, godzilla5549 on Reddit and the entire population of SNT have been trying to make up a theoretical Soviet BB line for years and guess what, they did, with these exact same designs, using literary sources and all that jazz. The only unexpected newcomer is the BV pr. 707 on the grounds of being one of multiple entries in an already obscure contest.

Every single IRN/Soviet ship in the game has real historical background to it, which is more than can be said for some other nations. Which is where we mention Republique. Out of all the ships discussed so far, it's the only one that is actually "fake", as in having never been even considered, let alone sketched on a napkin.

58 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

Check the dictionary and try again

Read that bit on Republique again and take your own advice.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Jean_Bart said:

... you cannot find any historic evidence for their existence even as design studies outside the Wargaming's cyber realm!

Maybe not you, but others can. Reading helps.

[Ogr]

On 4/29/2019 at 8:26 PM, PedroSantana said:

Gotta love some new ruski paperships 

Have you anything against of science fiction in the fantasy world of WG ?

[Ogr]

On 4/30/2019 at 12:03 AM, Killroy67 said:

in how manny seabattles did these russina Battle ships took part?

Take a look at the world map, please, and then try to imagine any sea war against of Russia. Must be very  interesting mind gymnastic. :-))

[Lacomble1942]

On ‎4‎/‎29‎/‎2019 at 3:00 PM, The_EURL_Guy said:

Welcome eight new steel monsters, ready to hit the high seas in World of Warships!

Read it on the portal

It more and more become time to stay in port. What a joke this game is starting to become. Ships only on Blue prints , AA on ships that SUCK since the introduction of the Carriers . COOP and no more premium accounts for me sounds just right.

 

DOING A GREAT JOB WG . 

[Lacomble1942]

28 minutes ago, Ogr said:

Take a look at the world map, please, and then try to imagine any sea war against of Russia. Must be very  interesting mind gymnastic. :-))

SF and fantasy world can't be found on a map dude.

[Ogr]

1 minute ago, Killroy67 said:

SF and fantasy world can't be found on a map dude.

Just open your mind and try it. "Blue or Red"(C) :-))

[deBanfield]

I shouldn't bang on about Italian warships, although I find their absence odd considering the presence of so many ships that have never sailed, but rather than doing what's easy--that is, making up ships that never existed and having science-fiction warfare for kiddies--I would like to see the historical part of the game developed first.
Just an additional remark that should really be in another forum, Italy had a 'fleet in being' pinning down large Allied naval forces. It could not be more aggressive for two reasons, (a) Mussolini forbade the use of his navy, also because (b) Italy had no aircraft carriers in a front where the Allies had at least one. (The Ark Royal, Formidable, Eagle, Illustrious and Indomitable all served in the Mediterranean.)

[Jean_Bart]

4 hours ago, Ashtaron said:

Wonderful logic, especially given that I specifically asked for line ships, not premiums. I suppose if WG adds the other 3 Ganguts and 2 Black Sea battleships, the tally would suddenly become 2:6. Whoops.

No matter how much you try and recalculate the score - it will not make the fake/fictional ships any more real!

Please try to explain and prove your thesis!

4 hours ago, Ashtaron said:

So what's the criteria of "serious and real design studies"? I consider Vladivostok and Kreml/Pobeda (or Slava, or whatever the hell WG wants to call it now) as serious as they come, given that the first one was a predecessor of Project 23 and the latter were its successor.

Source ?!

Reliable source of these "projects" ?!

4 hours ago, Ashtaron said:

Never laid down? None of the Frenchies you listed were, either!  Nice job listing Alsace twice, by the way. Surely nobody would notice.

Looks your tally needs readjustment again.

No matter how hard you try, you cannot change the fact that more french battleships were projected, laid down and comissioned, than  russian/soviet!

The russian tech-tree has only one battleship that really existed! Period! No other teach tree or navy in this game has bigger percentage of fake/fictional ships!

Prove me wrong, if you dare !

4 hours ago, Ashtaron said:

No, that's your ignorance and arbitrary approach to historical evidence to blame here, not lack of one. People like XeroSnake on NA forums, godzilla5549 on Reddit and the entire population of SNT have been trying to make up a theoretical Soviet BB line for years and guess what, they did, with these exact same designs, using literary sources and all that jazz.

"All that jazz" is nothing more than a fantasy, having little to nothing to do with history!

They are literally making-up ships that never existed, without even the stlightest historic eveidence that they could or would exist at any point of history!

4 hours ago, Ashtaron said:

Every single IRN/Soviet ship in the game has real historical background to it,

 

 

3 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Maybe not you, but others can. Reading helps.

Dare to give any reliable sources outside the Wargaming's realm or sites with TLD different than .ru or .рф ?!