When will radar stop working through solid rock?

[The_Stigs_wet_cousin]

Radar on its own is bad enough (considering the amount of radar ships). Considering it's a death penalty for DDs/CLs, isn't it time to change it so it doesn't penetrate through rock, i.e. islands?

Then you can stop those dreadful workarounds like delays in updating the team or the minimap etc.

As it stands a radar ship can hide behind an island and radar everything on the other side. This encourages and rewards passive/lazy gameplay. This would make DDs a more viable option and encourage a bit of calculated risk-taking (is that radar ship still behind the island or is he sneaking out from behind it to spot me?).

Notice, I did not use the word "realistic" because obviously this isn't a sim.

[ajb13]

It's not really solid rock, Just some pixels held together with a bit of programming 

[xxNihilanxx]

When the sun rises in the West and sets in the East. When the seas go dry and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves.

 

[Aotearas]

8 minutes ago, ArsenicIndigo said:

Considering it's a death penalty for DDs/CLs

No, it's not.

 

It's a zoning utility, with varying states of distress for whomever doesn't respect the zoning sufficiently enough to have a swift exit plan.

[DFens_666]

Who would have thought, that in times of spotting masters (aka CVs) we still see demands to change/nerf radar

As for a correct answer: Never, WG tried it and they didnt like it (thank [edited]for that).

 

9 minutes ago, ArsenicIndigo said:

This encourages and rewards passive/lazy gameplay

yeah right... rewards for what? getting spotting damage?

[1MajorKoenig]

13 minutes ago, ArsenicIndigo said:

Radar on its own is bad enough (considering the amount of radar ships). Considering it's a death penalty for DDs/CLs, isn't it time to change it so it doesn't penetrate through rock, i.e. islands?

Then you can stop those dreadful workarounds like delays in updating the team or the minimap etc.

As it stands a radar ship can hide behind an island and radar everything on the other side. This encourages and rewards passive/lazy gameplay. This would make DDs a more viable option and encourage a bit of calculated risk-taking (is that radar ship still behind the island or is he sneaking out from behind it to spot me?).

Notice, I did not use the word "realistic" because obviously this isn't a sim.

 

As soon as Flak stops shooting through solid rocks ....

[The_Stigs_wet_cousin]

8 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Who would have thought, that in times of spotting masters (aka CVs) we still see demands to change/nerf radar

As for a correct answer: Never, WG tried it and they didnt like it (thank [edited]for that).

 

yeah right... rewards for what? getting spotting damage?

 

Yes for camping behind an island. If that's your plan, why not become a stationary bunker?

I wanted to point out some mitigation for the CV issue, but I guess some people are so stuck in their thought patterns, they read what they want to read, not what was written.

[The_Stigs_wet_cousin]

6 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

As soon as Flak stops shooting through solid rocks ....

It doesn't.

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, ArsenicIndigo said:

Yes for camping behind an island. If that's your plan, why not become a stationary bunker? 

 

Blame the BBs for that - not the Cruisers. Sitting behind an island shouldnt be the most fun situation to play (atleast not for me)... but BBs kinda force you to, and CVs made it even worse by randomly spotting you.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

19 minutes ago, ArsenicIndigo said:

It doesn't.

Yes it does.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

42 minutes ago, ArsenicIndigo said:

When will radar stop working through solid rock?

When cruiser don't need to hide behind rocks.

[beercrazy]

26 minutes ago, ArsenicIndigo said:

It doesn't.

it bloody well does when I am in my cv

[DFens_666]

45 minutes ago, beercrazy said:

it bloody well does when I am in my cv

 

Shouldnt happen...?

Ive had several occasions, where planes were clearly inside my AA range, but my AA wouldnt shoot because of an island in the way. AA works, if Planes <-> Ship have LoS to each other i think. When my AA wouldnt shoot, i was also not spotted.

And cruisers sitting behind islands are easier targets than previously because of that reason. With RTS CVs, AA actually went through islands.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

14 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Shouldnt happen...?

Ive had several occasions, where planes were clearly inside my AA range, but my AA wouldnt shoot because of an island in the way. AA works, if Planes <-> Ship have LoS to each other i think. When my AA wouldnt shoot, i was also not spotted.

And cruisers sitting behind islands are easier targets than previously because of that reason. With RTS CVs, AA actually went through islands.

 

It still does ... not all the way, but It does go trough islands. The whole thing is sloppy .... just like the whole AA implementation.

 

 

 

[Vr4m_]

1 hour ago, ArsenicIndigo said:

Notice, I did not use the word "realistic" because obviously this isn't a sim.

Just because you don't use a certain word it doesn't mean that you don't mean it that way. Radar will most likely change when people stop comparing arcade games to the real world... oh wait. And yes, AA can sometimes shoot trough rocks, even tho it's way better than in the old RTS version where Islands were not registered at all.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

If I remember WG tried implementing LOS radar ... but failed. Dont know the exact reason, but from what I read ... they gave up.

[wilkatis_LV]

2 hours ago, ArsenicIndigo said:

When will radar stop working through solid rock?

The same day when:

• Radar gets significantly (multiple times) increased range
• Radar loses its "max duration per use"
• Radar loses its "cooldown between uses"
• Radar loses its "limited uses per battle"
• All ships that carried radar gain the radar consumable - so practically all BBs and CAs, likely some DDs aswell

Wouldn't that be fun?

 

2 hours ago, ArsenicIndigo said:

2 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

As soon as Flak stops shooting through solid rocks ....

It doesn't.

Actually it does. AA cares only if you are within range or not, the animation between your ship and explosion is jsut that - animation. Explosions can spawn even without it. As long as you are within AA range AA can fire at you regardless of obstacles in the way

 

49 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Shouldnt happen...?

Ive had several occasions, where planes were clearly inside my AA range, but my AA wouldnt shoot because of an island in the way. AA works, if Planes <-> Ship have LoS to each other i think. When my AA wouldnt shoot, i was also not spotted.

And cruisers sitting behind islands are easier targets than previously because of that reason. With RTS CVs, AA actually went through islands.

Spotting requires LoS, AA fire doesn't. Lack of animations / sounds also doesn't mean AA's not firing. Not shooting down planes also doesn't mean you're not firing, it just means rework is "great"

 

Cruisers sitting behind island would be easier because someone else needs to spot those planes for them. Other than that it's just the screwed up useless AA

[HystericalAccuracy]

 

Just now, wilkatis_LV said:

• All ships that carried radar gain the radar consumable - so practically all BBs and CAs, likely some DDs aswell

Wouldn't that be fun?

Tier V Konigsberg with radar? Always on?

 

On the other hand; Kamikaze wouldn´t so OP anymore 

 

Jokes aside: i think that overall Wows is well-balanced. Some things have to be not-so-realistic because this is still a game. The CV-thing is, ehm "to be further adjusted", we will see.

Though some aspects bother me (like a DD-limit instead a BB-Limit,  you WG) but i know i can´t have it all.

[El2aZeR]

The day when WG will admit the CV rework is a complete and utter failure.

[DreadArchangel]

Same time as when flak stopps being shot through islands no doubt..

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, DFens_666 said:

Shouldnt happen...?

 

No, it's working as intended because tying animation to actual damage zone and ship point of detection is too difficult for WG to achieve.

Sometimes it's even invisible because of that.

 

Once you realize how flak actually works you'll be amazed at how incredibly janky it is. I can only hope whoever thought this system works fine and is ready for release is in hot waters.

[OM40]

when DDs explode by one BB shell when BBs have 3% hit ratio when CVs crap on everyone even harder than now 

[Panocek]

6 minutes ago, OM40 said:

when DDs explode by one BB shell when BBs have 3% hit ratio when CVs crap on everyone even harder than now 

You mean BB shell pass through harmlessly unless it hits something of importance?

[VeteranGamer84]

Can't believe there are still threads talking about this "Island/Radar" issue . Deal with it and get good, OP.

[FukushuNL]

6 hours ago, ABED1984 said:

Can't believe there are still threads talking about this "Island/Radar" issue . Deal with it and get good, OP.

Ofc there are, with the growing amount of radar ships. It's not like those are being a unicum these days, but mostly a whole team of them. But I take it you think the same way about the CV treads? As they are far less of a problem than radar ships for DD gameplay. 

 

I'm with the OP. I'm ok with everything in the game apart from the excessive amount of radar that's in the game these days. There is no counterplay to be had when you get chain radared as a DD except for running towards a island, shut down your engine, walk to the nearest newspaper stand, get back, cook some water for tea and have a nice read with some calming hot drink. After you are finished, either most ships will have their radar on cd or used them up or the game has ended. Either way, at that moment you can finally do something useful like contesting a cap or syarting a new game.