CV are warships too, USE THEM !

[Beastofwar]

Many players seem to forget CV are warships too, and can move. Not only flee before superior forces that move toward  them, or to evade torpedo''s but also tactical movement when that is safe or needed. Even agressive movement to finish off heavy wouded targets.

 

But the latter is rarely seen. In this example you see allied 2 CV idle in some corner of the map while they should really be capping the enemy cap. They are busy fighting the enemy DD and the CV in the allied cap but when then cannot disrupt them enough* our side will lose. And a Cruiser and a DD were still tying up those enemy forces, disrupting them from capping too. No reason to not move toward the enemy cap  when the outcome is that uncertain, the one half dead Budyonny that is still a threat to the CV can be sunk by them easily should it block their way to the enemy cap.

 

* The enemy CV is doing almost everything right  1) He is aidiing capping  2) He gives the best AA cover to the also capping DD possible, that would have succumbed to relentless air attack otherwise. It is not optimal because a almost full health cruiser is shooting at it, but that cruiser faces 2 Cv fighting it.....it could easily have been deleted.

 

When only a handful of half dead enemies remain you should consider capping with a CV, you can set a course in seconds while meanwhile attacking other targets or delaying you cap to be taken. CV can move, even fight and kill low HP enemies defending a cap on their own if push comes to shove. And they sure can AA defend a capping ally that is threatened with succumbing to relentless air attacks by heading to that capping ally witgh their ship.

 

Passiveness ( with your CV ship ) looses matches.....End game : move tactically, kill all those low HP enemies in your way ( preferably by aircraft ofcourse ) and cap ! And should you be effectively deplaned, and onlly strong AA enemy CV remain you still have secondary batteries and can ram the enemy CV....do something ! Cap ! ( or defend it against an enemy CV with your ship if you are the last one afloat )

 

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

[Beastofwar]

58 minutes ago, LemonadeWarrior said:

 

Ofcourse attempted redicule, what was i thinking the reaction would be....when you grin at a monkey in a zoo you could excpect this behaviour too i guess.

 

If this is too complex for you @LemonadeWarrior then refrain from reaction. Let the grown up human players speak now. It is about CV tactics, not personal stats.

 

 

[Aotearas]

2 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

Ofcourse attempted redicule, what was i thinking the reaction would be....when you grin at a monkey in a zoo you could excpect the same i guess.

 

In elitists minds every match is Tier 10 where raking a ship already nets you a million damage. It can't possibly be a lower tier game where you remove 3 enemies from the match merely assisting others in rolling up a flank and thus get little reward for it......ofcourse i should not be assisting but ramboing all alone hunting for top scores....yeah that is sound advise....rule all or delete the game ! Alls bnubs should deltete the game and leave elitists to fight.....wait....if there are no nubs to club then....

 

 

I'm going to chime in and say this has little to do about elitism and ramoboing around for topscore hunting and is a legitimable performance problem. If you did barely over 20k damage after 15 minutes of gameplay and evidently had enough ships to shoot at to get three kills you really ought to have more damage. That is considerably below server average (less than half), nevermind hunting topscores.

 

Quite evidently you did something (or more likely several things) wrong.

 

And if ridicule is something that's bothering you the only thing I have left to say for you is that you constantly invite it by acting as if you knew how to play the game when in many, MANY instances it shows that quite simply you don't. Now, there's nothing wrong with not being a superduper unicorn MLG pr0gamemaster purplebro to the max, but the distinction between giving advice and being capable of giving advice has to be made and by now you've got a notable trackrecord.

So if the reactions you're getting from the forum aren't what you'd like them to be, a bit introspective reflection might do you some good because ridicule doesn't come from nowhere without reason. And before anyone says "it's the internet, no one needs a reason" all I can add is that this forum is one of the more sedated and approachable ones I've seen among the many videogame forums I've visiting so far and the people in here generally aren't just waiting for the chance to jump at someone's throat.

 

Besides, @LemonadeWarrior's comment wasn't exactly disproportiate to what you did highlighting your allied CVs' location with a quaint "wtf" so you really shouldn't try to mount that high horse.

 

Just my 0.02 steel ounces.

[Bear__Necessities]

[Kartoffelmos]

35 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

when you grin at a monkey in a zoo you could excpect this behaviour too i guess.

 

If this is too complex for you @LemonadeWarrior then refrain from reaction. Let the grown up human players speak now. It is about CV tactics, not personal stats.

 

Didn't you create a topic about toxicity a while back? Or does that only apply to other people? 

[Beastofwar]

1) Was discussing CV behaviour in general, with screenshot as an example. Not opening a discussion on what others did during the match.

2) Reactions should be on CV behaviour...do you cap with CV or not and why not

3) Shocking to see pinky pink stats seem to have no relation to intellect seen the retarded reactions. Conclusion must be lacking intellect pinky pink stats cannot come from superior tactics.

4) Irrelevant if reactions are not on CV gameplay.

[Bear__Necessities]

4 minutes ago, Kartoffelmos said:

 

Didn't you create a topic about toxicity a while back? Or does that only apply to other people? 

There was a little bit at the bottom of that post that said "but I can say what I want, i'm not an elitist stat padder snobbby pink peacock, ner nerrr ne nerr nerrrr"

[lossi_2018]

guys whatever he does sure arouses the passions here and I won't dwell on it, but for what is worth, it is not an insane proposal and games can go any other way regarding dmg, he did have 3 kills meaning he removed enemies from the equation.

[CptBarney]

Well no, theres no point for your cv's too be anywhere near the cap since they can just strike from a distance and provide damage support as time goes on.

 

Also they had one CV themselves no where near your cap anyways. so once the surface threats are gone, the entire team should push (whats left) and harass the last carrier on the enemy team.

 

Although those CV's could hug islands closer to the cap i guess.

[rnat]

15 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

1) Was discussing CV behaviour in general, with screenshot as an example. Not opening a discussion on what others did during the match.

2) Reactions should be on CV behaviour...do you cap with CV or not and why not

3) Shocking to see pinky pink stats seem to have no relation to intellect seen the retarded reactions. Conclusion must be lacking intellect pinky pink stats cannot come from superior tactics.

4) Irrelevant if reactions are not on CV gameplay.

TLDR: "No no NO! You toxic morons are supposed to make fun of THOSE clowns OVER THERE. Stop looking at me."

[Aotearas]

34 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

1) Was discussing CV behaviour in general, with screenshot as an example. Not opening a discussion on what others did during the match.

2) Reactions should be on CV behaviour...do you cap with CV or not and why not

3) Shocking to see pinky pink stats seem to have no relation to intellect seen the retarded reactions. Conclusion must be lacking intellect pinky pink stats cannot come from superior tactics.

4) Irrelevant if reactions are not on CV gameplay.

I see my words fell on deaf ears.

 

I also see you tried to very sneakily edit your comment to make it appear more civil less insulting than it originally was, but that won't work much because I'm fairly sure moderators can see comment editing history (or failing that my unedited quote). So you really want to hold back on the whole "intellect" and "retarded reactions" shebang because you just keep digging yourself a nice deep hole and it's about time you take the hint.

[DDMafiaAssociateMember]

To be fair, despite the insults, idiocy, generally bad play and hypocrisy, he does have a point. Sitting in A1 or J10 in a CV isn't effective for resetting caps, because the plane flight time is too long. Getting closer to the action is something CVs should be doing in the late stages of a match. You don't need to go charging in, but you can hide behind an island close by and overwhelm targets with masses of planes and a short recovery and relaunch time. Going and taking an empty cap in the late game  is also a good idea for a CV.

[GarrusBrutus]

3 minutes ago, who_dares_wins said:

To be fair, despite the insults, idiocy, generally bad play and hypocrisy, he does have a point. Sitting in A1 or J10 in a CV isn't effective for resetting caps, because the plane flight time is too long. Getting closer to the action is something CVs should be doing in the late stages of a match. You don't need to go charging in, but you can hide behind an island close by and overwhelm targets with masses of planes and a short recovery and relaunch time. Going and taking an empty cap in the late game  is also a good idea for a CV.

How does being dead aid your teams chances in winning?

[DDMafiaAssociateMember]

10 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

How does being dead aid your teams chances in winning?

Who said anything about dying? You can push farther up than the border in a CV without suiciding into the enemy team, if you take advantage of island cover you can actually get quite close without being spotted. Combine that with some preemptive orientation of your CV and some situational awareness and you can avoid being shot at at all. Plus you can afford to take a few hits (if you're careful) if you have a tier X CV's armoured flight deck.

[CptBarney]

7 minutes ago, who_dares_wins said:

Who said anything about dying? You can push farther up than the border in a CV without suiciding into the enemy team, if you take advantage of island cover you can actually get quite close without being spotted. Combine that with some preemptive orientation of your CV and some situational awareness and you can avoid being shot at at all. Plus you can afford to take a few hits (if you're careful) if you have a tier X CV's armoured flight deck.

This basically. Island hop while keeping detection rates low or non-existant, while being able to increase striking rates and forcing the enemy to change postion and angle more consistently.

 

This is far more viable late game sometimes mid (depending on number of ships and type of ships).

[GarrusBrutus]

4 minutes ago, who_dares_wins said:

Who said anything about dying? You can push farther up than the border in a CV without suiciding into the enemy team, if you take advantage of island cover you can actually get quite close without being spotted. Combine that with some preemptive orientation of your CV and some situational awareness and you can avoid being shot at at all. Plus you can afford to take a few hits (if you're careful) if you have a tier X CV's armoured flight deck.

Those seem quite advanced tactics for the average CV captain. As shown by our beloved OP.

 

[Beastofwar]

What a usefull forum this is.....you want to discuss CV tactics, you get attacks not regarding CV tactics, insult bickering, irrelevant stats referrals and other topic derailing sh*t.

 

Seemingly the purpose of the forums is to have pinky pink stats, and that overrules all possible discussion, and forum rules are just for show. Well i suppose serious players can still read the unfouled original post without the irrelevant topic derailing sh*t underneath it.

[ollonborre]

10 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

What a usefull forum this is.....you want to discuss CV tactics, you get attacks not regarding CV tactics, insult bickering, irrelevant stats referrals and other topic derailing sh*t.

 

Seemingly the purpose of the forums is to have pinky pink stats, and that overrules all possible discussion, and forum rules are just for show. Well i suppose serious players can still read the unfouled original post without the irrelevant topic derailing sh*t underneath it.

[CptBarney]

ahh i see smoll2razer at the bottom.

 

[xxNihilanxx]

1 minute ago, Beastofwar said:

What a usefull forum this is.....you want to discuss CV tactics, you get attacks not regarding CV tactics, insult bickering, irrelevant stats referrals and other topic derailing sh*t.

 

Seemingly the purpose of the forums is to have pinky pink stats, and that overrules all possible discussion, and forum rules are just for show. Well i suppose serious players can still read the unfouled original post without the irrelevant topic derailing sh*t underneath it.

 

This only really applies (currently) to you. The thing is a lot of us have been here a long time and we usually discuss things in a (relatively) civil manner. Every now and again, though, we get somebody come to the forum spouting absolute nonsense and throwing their weight around with it and, consequently, they tend to get hammered for it. We are generally quite friendly but we don't suffer fools gladly. For the most part the "fool of the hour" usually "gets with the program" and quits with their nonsense but this has not proven to be the case with you.

 

As others have said you have a history of spouting total garbage and doing so in an offensive manner whilst simultaneously "playing the victim" when people have called you out on your nonsense. You won't listen to advice or, indeed, any alternative opinion to  your own. You are obnoxious and epitomise the kind of forum behaviour that many of us here are quite happy to have left behind us on other gaming fora. It doesn't help either that you put forward your nonsense with such limited intellectual capacity that you come across as  the lovechild of Jade Goody and "Benny from Crossroads" (Yes I am aware I am showing my age there).

 

I guess, in short, what I am trying to say is wind your neck in a bit and start listening to the advice of the demonstrably better players. Your mouth is moving when it should be only your ears that are active.

[ironhammer500]

I mean the OP is not wrong even the enemy CV is capping those 2 CV could cap leaving the other team 2 choices stop their cap being taken by 2 CVs or try to aid their team in capping which then splits the other team also the CV can provide the best AA defense in this game so why not use that?

[Bear__Necessities]

12 minutes ago, ironhammer500 said:

I mean the OP is not wrong even the enemy CV is capping those 2 CV could cap leaving the other team 2 choices stop their cap being taken by 2 CVs or try to aid their team in capping which then splits the other team also the CV can provide the best AA defense in this game so why not use that?

The CV in this case made a massive error of Judgement. Going into a cap with surface ships around and able to shoot at them is a No No. Going into a cap with no other AA support against a combined enemy focus including both CV's is a No No... They have the lead, are equal on ships and the CV that yolo'd the cap has then effectively thrown any chance of a win. They will lose the points from the CV. They will be down in air attack and defence. With more than 4 mins left on the cards the game is now entirely the other teams to lose. This example of being a "warship" is the worst one I can think of. If anything those 2 remain CV's sticking together will probably get them the win... Point of this thread then??? None. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. 

[El2aZeR]

10 minutes ago, ironhammer500 said:

I mean the OP is not wrong even the enemy CV is capping those 2 CV could cap leaving the other team 2 choices stop their cap being taken by 2 CVs or try to aid their team in capping which then splits the other team also the CV can provide the best AA defense in this game so why not use that?

 

Unless the other CV on the team is equally incompetent the enemy CV should've died pretty easily, throwing the match for the red team.

Thus the screenshot above perfectly contradicts what OP is advocating.

[ironhammer500]

13 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

The CV in this case made a massive error of Judgement. Going into a cap with surface ships around and able to shoot at them is a No No. Going into a cap with no other AA support against a combined enemy focus including both CV's is a No No... They have the lead, are equal on ships and the CV that yolo'd the cap has then effectively thrown any chance of a win. They will lose the points from the CV. They will be down in air attack and defence. With more than 4 mins left on the cards the game is now entirely the other teams to lose. This example of being a "warship" is the worst one I can think of. If anything those 2 remain CV's sticking together will probably get them the win... Point of this thread then??? None. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. 

That is assume the CV dies and the CA player doesnt eat a wall of torps. Its warships those things can happen.