Cruiser Comparison!

[Takeda92]

 

It's a fairly sensible choice, and one that I'm honestly not that upset about, but I do think that they got it slightly wrong with a couple.  The pair of under-torpedoed DDs spring to mind.

 

I'm also concerned about what will now happen when they try to make the Japanese more competitive.  Giving Super Kitakami-sama a smokescreen like they've promised will render her borderline OP in certain hands.

 

Well atlanta when facing lower tiers is borderline OP too so I don't see anyone complaining.

[Orlunu]

Well atlanta when facing lower tiers is borderline OP too so I don't see anyone complaining.

 

True, true.

[Dagon_NOR]

I could live with the balance, even the cleveland, if it wasn't for Tier 10.

I wonder what the reasoning behind that is.

[Nechrom]

I could live with the balance, even the cleveland, if it wasn't for Tier 10.

I wonder what the reasoning behind that is.

 

Well the Senjo is getting higher RoF and more health in the next patch, how much and if it's enough remains to be seen.

[CandyVanMan]

 

Well the Senjo is getting higher RoF and more health in the next patch, how much and if it's enough remains to be seen.

 

That unbalance can't be fixed by buffing the Senjo.

Des Moines is crazy OP no matter what it's compared to, it's like T-54 in WoT beta.

[Bl4ckh0g]

 

That unbalance can't be fixed by buffing the Senjo.

Des Moines is crazy OP no matter what it's compared to, it's like T-54 in WoT beta.

 

Yeah it's like putting the Chieftain in Wot

oh wait...

[Arkhannan]

The comparison also really highlights how little of an upgrade you really get from tier 6 and onwards. The only real change is a few 1000's more hp that comes with the cost of a huge repair bill.

 

It's such a shame that WG isn't willing (yet) to implement a real sense of acomplishment when you unlock a new ship such as when you upgrade to a higher tier in WoT.

 

Maybe with the armor changes (thickness / angling etc. working) in 0.3.1. we'll begin to feel some real change between the tiers.

[Orlunu]

The comparison also really highlights how little of an upgrade you really get from tier 6 and onwards. The only real change is a few 1000's more hp that comes with the cost of a huge repair bill.

 

It's such a shame that WG isn't willing (yet) to implement a real sense of acomplishment when you unlock a new ship such as when you upgrade to a higher tier in WoT.

 

Maybe with the armor changes (thickness / angling etc. working) in 0.3.1. we'll begin to feel some real change between the tiers.

 

They get appreciably better.  You get health, DPM, AA and armour rising pretty steadily across the board.  Any more differentiation and you'd just get the stupid setup you have in WoT where you get tanks just unable to do anything.

[Bl4ckh0g]

 

Maybe with the armor changes (thickness / angling etc. working) in 0.3.1. we'll begin to feel some real change between the tiers.

 

That patch only reduces damage of the AP shells by a marginal amount and make ships like the Baltimore stronger. ( better quality armor)

By "now it takes into account the plating and construction steel." they only make ships stronger that had better construction 

That mainly means nations that had advanced metallurgy and constructing methods a.k.a. US, Britain, Germany and such 

IJN will still be inferior

 

That patch will not change that much, It will be slight changes that's all

 

[ddod]

TLDR: Des Moines is op as fkuc.

[Exustio]

TLDR: Des Moines is op as fkuc.

 

True dat

 

Lets just hope WG looks at the IJN techtree and starts slapping ships with the buff stick (as slapping USN ships with a nerfstick is bad publicity)

[Orlunu]

IJN will still be inferior

 

Best armoured plate of the war, an' all.

[Bl4ckh0g]

 

Best armoured plate of the war, an' all.

 

Really?

I thought WWII Japanese metallurgy were not as advanced.

I remember that they couldn't make sufficient igniting chambers for their Jet fighters  

http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-040.htm

 The U.S. Navy Ballistic Limit (complete penetration minimum velocity with this projectile at normal) estimated at 1839 feet/second (560.5 m/sec), plus or minus 3%, which gives it about a relative plate quality of 0.839 compared to U.S. Class "A" armor (estimated, as no such super-thick plate was ever made in the U.S.). This was about the same as the best WWI-era British KC-type armor, which was what the Japanese were trying for--they had not attempted to make improved face-hardened armor, as the U.S. Navy did during the 1930's, for actual ship installation.

 

 This caused the U.S. test conductors to state that obviously they did not understand what it took to make a high-quality Class "A" plate, since the 7.21" VH plate should not have been so good from everything they thought they knew about face-hardened armor!!! Obviously the Japanese could make armor as good as anyone if the specifications had required it!

 

Yeah From what I can gather from this IJN armor was as good as anyone's though not as good as USN class A armor?

AFAIK the Baltimore had this class A armor 

 

though this link also mentions that only the Yamato-class were equipped with such armor plates so I'm not so sure about the more common ships.

 

I found some other sources so it seems the IJN had some nice steel protecting their ships.

Though which ships were equipped with this armor is not mentioned.

Well we shall see how Wg will implement these changes.

 

By the way weren't the IJN ships had bad structural strength from the too powerful engines and the big weapon load? 

 

[Celandri]

+1 on this post from me. nice to see the actualy diffrence of the ships

[Orlunu]

Really?

I thought WWII Japanese metallurgy were not as advanced.

I remember that they couldn't make sufficient igniting chambers for their Jet fighters  

http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-040.htm

 

Yeah From what I can gather from this IJN armor was as good as anyone's though not as good as USN class A armor?

AFAIK the Baltimore had this class A armor 

 

though this link also mentions that only the Yamato-class were equipped with such armor plates so I'm not so sure about the more common ships.

 

I found some other sources so it seems the IJN had some nice steel protecting their ships.

Though which ships were equipped with this armor is not mentioned.

Well we shall see how Wg will implement these changes.

 

By the way weren't the IJN ships had bad structural strength from the too powerful engines and the big weapon load? 

 

Well, it all depended on the metals.  They had poor jet engine metals (although largely resolved by the end), but their tanks had by far the most effective armour thickness-for-thickness.  On the ships, again, all of these different metal plates had different characteristics depending on thickness.  This is shown quite dramatically with the two quotations you confused to be about the same plates, but which were not.  One is a rather mediocre class plate which was fairly normal for battleship armour, the other, thicker, plate was the best for its thickness they had ever come across.  The Brits tried several times to replicate it, but couldn't.

 

The point that I was trying to make was exactly that.  Some of the Japanese armour was superior, some worse, and it's really quite hard to tell which was which.  So I think that we'll just get generic "FHA", "structural" &c

 

They did under certain conditions, although they were mostly ironed out in the 30s.  Specifically, they couldn't deal very well with overly dramatic rolling motions like you got in some heavy storms.

[Gaensebluemchen01]

Good cruiser comparison, but i miss the jap premium-cruisers Yubari and the Kitakami. That would be perfect... ;-)

[Alexidiss]

Thats explain why after wonder Cleveland all US CA players should suffer badly in this crap Pensa, NO, Balti - they all get rewarded at 10 )))

[Wischmob_von_Eimer]

You dont suffer in US Cruisers, the Cleveland is just to strong in comparison.

[Exustio]

Good cruiser comparison, but i miss the jap premium-cruisers Yubari and the Kitakami. That would be perfect... ;-)

 

 /facepalm

 

I knew i forgot something! Yubari i can do, the Kitakami i might need some help with. Ill update when i can. 

 

Plz dont kill me

[Bl4ckh0g]

 

Well, it all depended on the metals.  They had poor jet engine metals (although largely resolved by the end), but their tanks had by far the most effective armour thickness-for-thickness.  On the ships, again, all of these different metal plates had different characteristics depending on thickness.  This is shown quite dramatically with the two quotations you confused to be about the same plates, but which were not.  One is a rather mediocre class plate which was fairly normal for battleship armour, the other, thicker, plate was the best for its thickness they had ever come across.  The Brits tried several times to replicate it, but couldn't.

 

The point that I was trying to make was exactly that.  Some of the Japanese armour was superior, some worse, and it's really quite hard to tell which was which.  So I think that we'll just get generic "FHA", "structural" &c

 

They did under certain conditions, although they were mostly ironed out in the 30s.  Specifically, they couldn't deal very well with overly dramatic rolling motions like you got in some heavy storms.

 

 

Hmm yeah now that you say it 

it really is about two different armor plates

Hmm I just assumed they wrote about the same plate

Well sorry for that

 

Though it is one thing that  they had the strongest armor plate, but did they actually equipped any ship with it?

hmm Maybe the Zao will get it

would make her a little bit better against Des Moines

[Gaensebluemchen01]

Plz dont kill me

 

Never!

I will ask a friend who owns the Kitakami for the techdata...so you can add this in post #1.

[Exustio]

Added Yubari, and awaiting Kitakami stats

 

[Gaensebluemchen01]

 

 

Tier 8	New Orleans	Myoko	Kitakami
HP	35.400	36.100	25.900
Armor Citadel/Forward-aft/Gun/Deck	19-127/6-102/19-76/57	40-102/6/6-32/32-57	25-65/6-40/0/30
Main armament/#turrets/rotatespeed	203mm/3/27.7sec	203mm/5/45sec	140/4/21.2
#guns/reload/range	9/14sec/16.2km	10/12sec/16.1km	4/6sec/13.8km
DPM HE/ DPM AP	87.462/196.209	108.500/258.500	56.800/120.800
Secondary Armament/#turrets/#guns/range	127mm/4/4/4.5km	127mm/2/4/5km	127mm/1/1/5.0km
Anti-Air/#AA/DPM/range	20mm/9x1/45/2.1km 20mm/17x2/170/2.1km 40mm/6x4/108/3.5km 127mm/8x1/16/5km	25mm/8x2/47/3km 25mm/4x3/35/3km 25mm/26x1/76/3km 127mm/4x2/12/5km	127mm/1x2/4/5km 25mm/10x3/80/3.0km
#Torpedoes turrets/#torpedoes	-	2/8	10/40
Torpedo dmg/Torpedo Speed/Torpedo reload/Range	-	17.233/62knots/150sec/10km	17.233/62knots/137sec/10km
Speed/Turning radius	33 knots/820m/9sec	35 knots/870m/9.3sec	36 knots/820m/9.0sec
Concealment enemy Ship/Aircraft	12.4km/7.5km	11.9km/8.2km	11.3km/7.4km

 

Comments Tier 8 Cruisers: 

• With the new Orleans, u could stick with the stock guns, which will result in a slightly lower DPM (HE/AP - 81.360/182.520) with a gain in gun traverse (25.7sec instead of 27.7sec)

Premium Ships

Ship	Tier 2 Albany	Tier 3 Aurora	Tier 5 Murmansk	Tier 7 Atlanta
Min - Max Range (km)	0.8	0.9	2 - 3.5	2 - 5
Max - Min DPS	4	6	109 - 27	120 - 32

 

Ship	Tier 2 Albany	Tier 3 Aurora	Tier 4 Yubari	Tier 5 Murmansk	Tier 7 Atlanta	Tier 8 Kitakami
Min - Max Range (km)	0.8	0.9	3 - 5	2 - 3.5	2 - 5	3-5
Max - Min DPS	4	6	74 - 2	109 - 27	120 - 32	4-84

 

 

 

e voila. not sure if the dps and min-max damage of the anti-air is shown correct by me...

[Exustio]

Thank you very much Gaensebluemchen01! +1 

 

 

e voila. not sure if the dps and min-max damage of the anti-air is shown correct by me...

 

A few small mistakes are made, but i made them as well at the start

 

[Takeda92]

In the next patch, it seems Senjou (Zaou) will have increase RoF from 4.6 to 4.9 and HP buff to 44900