XVM... for WoWs?

[Argysh]

 

No, that's what you chose to do.

Where exactly? never done it. never will. Neither in the forums nor ingame.

[Siagor]

No, please no!

 

It will boost all kinds of insults, it will boost seal clubbing and other stat padding methods.

[User163]

XVM was a disaster for WOT.. all those pro whiners "oh we will lose ! i must kill myself !"  And on the WOT forums only so called unicums have right to say antything... because.. "Oh ! you are not purple so you don't understand game mechanics you noob !"

[Exustio]

As i said long ago, i don't mind XVM, so long u can not see it real time. Meaning when u are loading into a game, or during a game, u will not see statistics behind player names. The only way for u to find out how good some1 really is is to remember the name and go to a statistics website, type in the name and see his performance record. 

 

This way, u avoid people crying at the start, avoid purple players from being zero'd, and avoid camping in the game. This way, all u could do is say "well, the guy knew what he was doing" and start the next game. 

 

[HariSeldon]

Please no!

 

XVM ruin Wot by making people play selfish waiting other to take risk to maintain their beloved stats.

 

If that come to WoWs you will easily see people waiting 10m before start doing something, and always wanting to be behind someone.

 

It changes the gameplay, and not in a good manner, and that without making any comment about the toxic people, the forum gods wannabe, and all those things close related to the XVM.

 

I really hope XVM stay far away, because othrwise, it will change an amazing game to a dissgrace.

[mtm78]

All those people complaining and bringing in anecdotes, can you please provide more than just a story of what happened in one game and where you extrapolated it to be because of XVM? Please? And when/if someone can post something which happened with the aid of XVM, can you proof without reasonable doubt that the douchebag who did it, would have been less of a douchebag without XVM?

[Cattro]

I keep getting downvoted for this, despite the fact I never stated my opinion or said anything regarding a side during my initial comments. I started this thread for people to discuss the possibility, liklihood, response and likes/dislikes regarding - not to say I wanted XVM; or didn't. 

IF I was to settle my personal opinion, I'd have to say I don't believe XVM to have been the cause of peoples behaviour in WoT. I see it that as the game developed and progressed, more players joined. Add to this people improving, general cockiness and the online gaming community in general, a lot of what people blame on XVM is simply due to people playing games online. A prime example is the use of:

• *individual 1 in tank is killed*
• Individual 2: U suck, hold flank, you only have Wn8 of 456...

Individual two in this case reinforces his thoughts using Statistics acquired from XVM. At this point, many people see the WN8 of 456 as being proof or a cause Individual one's glorious t-28 being blown to high hell. This is not true however, it is simply a correlation between the fact that in general less practiced players have a lower WN8 and may therefore die more or in situations more experience players could've handled.  Now, consider Individual 2 does not have XVM and instead states:

• U suck, hold flank, you low tier noob

In both situations I2 insinuates he is in some way superior to I1, however previously he had some figures to "back him up" in his scientific wisdom. My point is that it doesn't matter if he uses stats or not - he would be calling out I1 in both situations. Does XVM build cockiness? Probably not, the online gaming community is full of it and we will all be victims of it, and we will all do it. In my experience more verbal arguing is spawned by kills gained in that game, and damage done. If you read this mods please feel free to remove this thread.

Good luck and happy Sailing! 

 

[HariSeldon]

Is not verbal abuse that concerns me more (it does, but is not the main reason) but the statpadding leaving behind the teamplay because the win rate is secondary to his/her beloved WN XX or whatever the stat used is called. And because of that change of gameplay the game will change from the ""all wanting to win"" to the ""I want to have a good stat and then win"", may seems to be a little change in the player mind, but it have an huge impact. 

 

And gives more boring battles, because an "unicum" could reverse the situation of a battle trying something risky but if works rewarding for the battle, if all he cares more is the stats, then he will be conservative trying to minimize the impact of a bad game in his stats. If winrate is all he cares because such stats are not here, then we could see them focusing in the win 100% and not doing damage in a die hard manner but with zero impact in the game, instead of those brilliant moment where by pure skill and luck he go and kill 2 or 3 alone in little time winning the battle for the team.

 

 

I tell you, is not the elitist bashing from the colours, is the gameplay to maintain teh colours what i'm more afraid =)

[Orlunu]

Is not verbal abuse that concerns me more (it does, but is not the main reason) but the statpadding leaving behind the teamplay because the win rate is secondary to his/her beloved WN XX or whatever the stat used is called. And because of that change of gameplay the game will change from the ""all wanting to win"" to the ""I want to have a good stat and then win"", may seems to be a little change in the player mind, but it have an huge impact. 

 

And gives more boring battles, because an "unicum" could reverse the situation of a battle trying something risky but if works rewarding for the battle, if all he cares more is the stats, then he will be conservative trying to minimize the impact of a bad game in his stats. If winrate is all he cares because such stats are not here, then we could see them focusing in the win 100% and not doing damage in a die hard manner but with zero impact in the game, instead of those brilliant moment where by pure skill and luck he go and kill 2 or 3 alone in little time winning the battle for the team.

 

 

I tell you, is not the elitist bashing from the colours, is the gameplay to maintain teh colours what i'm more afraid =)

 

Have you actually seen this much?  My experience is that the players who are into the game and improving at it enough to have a good shot at being unicorns tend to be pretty humble about their skill levels and very much focused on winning.  I'd assumed that that was the case more generally, but it may well just be that group.

[Elgerino]

Where exactly? never done it. never will. Neither in the forums nor ingame.

 

You completely missed the point, that was people choose to do that. XVM doesn't supernaturally possess people and force them to act like assholes, does it? You've got the cause and effect the wrong way around and we know that for a fact because all this happened long before XVM came about. By saying you've never done it and never will you've proved the point that XVM doesn't cause it. XVM doesn't modify your behaviour, you modify it.

 

As i said long ago, i don't mind XVM, so long u can not see it real time. Meaning when u are loading into a game, or during a game, u will not see statistics behind player names. The only way for u to find out how good some1 really is is to remember the name and go to a statistics website, type in the name and see his performance record. 

 

This way, u avoid people crying at the start, avoid purple players from being zero'd, and avoid camping in the game. This way, all u could do is say "well, the guy knew what he was doing" and start the next game. 

 

 

Err no it doesn't avoid any of that at all, you just change the criteria those sorts of players base their decisions on. Prioritising targets based on biggest threats is a natural process, without XVM you just default back to prioritising based on tank type and position or platoons. If you think crying at the start happens because of XVM your perspective must be incredibly narrow. Let me assure you that it all happened before XVM came along and it happens in most online games. And what the hell does removing or including XVM have to do with camping players? Players are gonna camp no matter what you do. They even do it in WoWs, a game that does nothing at all to encourage it and currently has no XVM system.

[Rem3mberMe]

I would like to see captains avg. winratio in the battle, but I am not a friend of some dmg hunting like in WoT. The ships have different purposes here and even if you do a little of damage you can be the most useful member of the team. For instance a lowtier CV killing the higher tier one and then scouting for battleships. But the winratio can give you a picture if the player is able to carry his ship or not.

[DumbleDerp]

So, have been wondering about XVM for WoWs. I understand it's possible and would incorporate statistics with customization etc. But my real question is; how do people feel about XVM? Does it hinder play as people quickly give up, based on a 40% chance to win, or is it necessary information to you?

 

Don't get the reason for the neg reps to this post.

 

The guy is only asking a question.

 

Anyhow, personally against XVM. It didn't really seem to enhance the gameplay of WoT and just seem to encourage more toxicity.

[Philipp_ab_exterminatore]

This is the 1 think that could instantly ruin the game. Please no omg NOOOOO

[pmcar]

An example from yesterday. 

 

Hunting a cruiser in my sims. About to get into position when my torp warning goes off. Massive spread of fish from behind. I have no room to manoeuvre as I'm using an island for cover. 1 team kill to my friendly IJN cruiser behind me.

 

I asked him why he fired when he could see me in front of him?

 

A. Learn to play you noob tomato. Go back to WOT.

 

And that's what XVM brought to WOT. So no thanks stay away we don't want you here.   

[freemywilly]

An example from yesterday.

 

Hunting a cruiser in my sims. About to get into position when my torp warning goes off. Massive spread of fish from behind. I have no room to manoeuvre as I'm using an island for cover. 1 team kill to my friendly IJN cruiser behind me.

 

I asked him why he fired when he could see me in front of him?

 

A. Learn to play you noob tomato. Go back to WOT.

 

And that's what XVM brought to WOT. So no thanks stay away we don't want you here.  

 

Why so bitter? He did a mistake by firing his torps, while you were in the way. You never did this to a teammember before?

 

 

Next time I would suggest to call him red tomato by yourself. May be you get a sorry, may be he will swear on you.

So what?

WoW is not like hello kitty, a bit Aggression should be ok , at least if the other Team is  kicking you around too often .

 

 

 

XVM might help a Player to work on his gameplay, and this is the reason why I want to have it for WOW.

It was a hard fight for me to come back from 40% wins to 50% now, and I want to show this to the People, otherwise there is no real reason to play more then a few hundred matches.

A little more competition in a game, thats all. Boredom otherwise after some weeks.

 

 

Sail away in fear, when you meet me on the wrong side....

 

 

 

 

[Kirasa]

 

Why so bitter? He did a mistake by firing his torps, while you were in the way. You never did this to a teammember before?

 

 

Next time I would suggest to call him red tomato by yourself. May be you get a sorry, may be he will swear on you.

So what?

WoW is not like hello kitty, a bit Aggression should be ok , at least if the other Team is  kicking you around too often .

 

 

 

XVM might help a Player to work on his gameplay, and this is the reason why I want to have it for WOW.

It was a hard fight for me to come back from 40% wins to 50% now, and I want to show this to the People, otherwise there is no real reason to play more then a few hundred matches.

A little more competition in a game, thats all. Boredom otherwise after some weeks.

 

 

Sail away in fear, when you meet me on the wrong side....

 

 

 

 

 

You can see all your stats on the homepage, no need for XVM to better your own gameplay.

[DreadArchangel]

why are people wanting this, it just causes so much hassle and ill feeling in game, we do not need it, end of story.......

[freemywilly]

 

You can see all your stats on the homepage, no need for XVM to better your own gameplay.

 

Yes, me can, but no one else is interested, so it is a bit autism in it ...

You understand? I want the competition to the world around me.

 

Btw, how can I view stats of other Players here in the Forum ?

Did not find this function atm.

[Kirasa]

 

Yes, me can, but no one else is interested, so it is a bit autism in it ...

You understand? I want the competition to the world around me.

 

Btw, how can I view stats of other Players here in the Forum ?

Did not find this function atm.

 

Go to your profile on the homepage. There is a searchfield at the top right.

[Argysh]

 

You completely missed the point, that was people choose to do that. XVM doesn't supernaturally possess people and force them to act like assholes, does it? You've got the cause and effect the wrong way around and we know that for a fact because all this happened long before XVM came about. By saying you've never done it and never will you've proved the point that XVM doesn't cause it. XVM doesn't modify your behaviour, you modify it.

 

I just tried to make clear that I do not accept to be put into the group who behaves like this.

I'm very well aware that many players will not behave like idiots just because of XVM, but there's also many players who will happily jump on every opportunity to be assholes. XVM is a very good opportunity for them.

 

It's like 'damn it,  my kitchen is burning... i might as well put some gasoline in it."

[Captain_Edwards]

Sigh lots of nonsense knee jerking still going on about XVM. Xvm did not "make" anyone do anything, it is a tool. It is not to blame for the attitude of some players. Those players already HAD a bad attitude, and were toxic to the community. The appearance of XVM simply gave them an excuse to cause more trouble. Which then causes all the bleeding hearts to blame XVM, when it is the player at fault for causing problems, not the software.

 

XVM does nothing to gameplay mechanics, player skill, or player interaction. Would you blame a spanner for your cars wheel falling off? No you would blame the mechanic who wielding the spanner in such a sub-standard way.

[jacko01]

I just think XVM causes too much slating in WOT and when peoples stats are easy enough to find without the need of XVM, I don't think there is a need for it or are people trying to bring all the rubbish that goes on in WOT across to WOWS

[Blue_Bug]

People have to realize that XVM will have influence in the game.

 

Please imagine the following situation :

There are two ships in your shooting range : 1 is a very good player (according XVM) ; 1 is a bad player (according XVM). They sail next to each in the same vessel. Who do you want to kill first ? Answer is easy, The good player.

 

Ask Jingles how he liked WoWs playing under his own nickname. He didn't change it for nothing.

[Captain_Edwards]

People have to realize that XVM will have influence in the game.

 

Please imagine the following situation :

There are two ships in your shooting range : 1 is a very good player (according XVM) ; 1 is a bad player (according XVM). They sail next to each in the same vessel. Who do you want to kill first ? Answer is easy, The good player.

 

Ask Jingles how he liked WoWs playing under his own nickname. He didn't change it for nothing.

 

Jingles makes videos and posts them to youtube. Of course players are going to single him out, it happens with in every walk of life with well known people. He has a well known name so when players see it they will try to take him out as they know he has experience. Thats nothing to do with XVM, and everything to do with notoriety.

 

And I dont need to imagine the situation, I have been in it in WoT and WoWp. What I do is simple, I attack the one attacking me. If both targets are, then I take out the EASY one first. Less guns shooting at me = higher chance for victory. Its a false and frankly silly notion to attack the toughest one first. This is WW1 tactics that were shown to be moronic, with entire divisions told to attack the strongest point in the enemy line and dying in droves while failing miserably to cause issues to the enemy.

 

You attack the weak point/link first, which causes a "break" in the enemy lines allowing you to push and try to defeat them. That is battle tactics 101.

[blademansw]

 

You can see all your stats on the homepage, no need for XVM to better your own gameplay.

 

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