XVM... for WoWs?

[Pauls_HiJinks]

i just wanted to re-post this part of my last post on here lol -

  

mods are good as in sights etc but i don't like mods that gives you a clear advantage over other players,

we should all be equal in the battle for fair game balance so clear skill is made and shown, having a clear advantage by using mods only proves

that you are not good enough nor are you willing to learn to play better to improve your self and have to resort to mods to gain a unfair advantage,

as if your willing to use mods for unfair advantage then your more than likely to use illegal mods/hacks to gain a greater advantage

all because you suck at gaming or just an [edited] who needs to win everything because once again you suck at gaming

this apply's to all online multiplayer games! -

 

(new bit) as now ESL league are banning players for up to 2 years for using xvm as well as other mods as it gives a clear advantage to the player(s) in battle

as to those who don't use it, so clearly my point is proven, how ever before any one starts whining again because they cant handle the truth

and live in there own little world where they think only they are right,(i wonder who that brain dead player(s) that could be lol)

yes it is ESL doing the banning of players from ESL league's which also bans players for up to one month in WG games, 

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(note) WG has not once really given any clear communication with us the players of WG games as to what mods are allowed and what mods are illegal etc etc, 

 

also if xvm comes to wows so what, i've lost all interest in this topic as it clearly changed several times from the original question by cattro,

so there for i give up, trying to get a intelligent chat on the WG forums is like trying to tell a baby they cant have a lolly pop,

the end result is they make faces, and start crying like baby's because they cant get what they want,  

 

anyway i'm sure i will have to reply to some childish reply to my post again (guess who lol) and if there's no stupid brain dead remark made then i wont reply back

 

c'ya on the battlefields on the sea over the air or on land  have fun and carry on! 

 

[Elgerino]

 

how ever before any one starts whining again because they cant handle the truth and live in there own little world where they think only they are right

 

Isn't it weird how some people believe that even though they keep insulting everyone else and posting the same thing over and over expecting everyone to listen, they're for some reason not the sort of person that lives in their own world and that they don't think only they are right. It's almost as if they have absolutely no self awareness at all.

 

 

so there for i give up, trying to get a intelligent chat on the WG forums is like trying to tell a baby they cant have a lolly pop,

the end result is they make faces, and start crying like baby's because they cant get what they want,  

 

Except you're the one who isn't getting what he wants aren't you? XVM stays and you want it banned, but it isn't getting banned. I've got everything I want and I'm telling you that you can't have a lollipop, so you've reverted to adhominem attacks and a hissy fit.

 

 anyway i'm sure i will have to reply to some childish reply to my post again (guess who lol) and if there's no stupid brain dead remark made then i wont reply back

 

You shan't be missed.

[Ast3lan]

 

That's the right attitude to have. People who can admit they're not good players and are secure with themselves deserve respect, if not for being good players then for being level headed. Those who try to drag XVM down just because they don't like stats and the stories they tell are in essence insecure and selfishly protecting their ego to others detriment. 

 

Define good, just because he lost a duel doesnt meen hes bad, perhaps he had no cover, perhaps the other guy had a lucky hit . You on the other hand speak of security of self but seem to keen at pointing out ( in a very subtle way ) to the player in question that he's bad while not addressing the issue of people using stats to make snide remarks towards other people.

 

Very well done good Sir, you seem very good at hidding your motives behind fancy words.

[Elgerino]

 

Define good, just because he lost a duel doesnt meen hes bad, perhaps he had no cover, perhaps the other guy had a lucky hit . You on the other hand speak of security of self but seem to keen at pointing out ( in a very subtle way ) to the player in question that he's bad while not addressing the issue of people using stats to make snide remarks towards other people.

 

Very well done good Sir, you seem very good at hidding your motives behind fancy words.

 

Ugh. Did you even read his post? 

 

 It lasted like 3 or 4 minutes -quite a long time- and ended up with me being killed, because I'm terribad at internet warships. But it was fun, and I enjoyed it. 

 

Note that he says he's bad at warships, thereby acknowledging it. Had he not said that, I would not have assumed it was the case, I'm not that rude. 

 

As for not addressing the fact that people use stats to make snide remarks, I have addressed that at least twenty times in this thread now, that XVM is not the root cause of snide remarks. A bad attitude is. He even says as much in the post you didn't read before piling on.

 

 XVM ? Let them have it. D*bags will be d*bags anyway. 

 

So why would I address it the twenty first time when he already acknowledged it himself? Tell me more about how I'm hiding behind my vocabulary. 

[Ast3lan]

 

Ugh. Did you even read his post? 

 

 

Note that he says he's bad at warships, thereby acknowledging it. Had he not said that, I would not have assumed it was the case, I'm not that rude. 

 

As for not addressing the fact that people use stats to make snide remarks, I have addressed that at least twenty times in this thread now, that XVM is not the root cause of snide remarks. A bad attitude is. He even says as much in the post you didn't read before piling on.

 

 

So why would I address it the twenty first time when he already acknowledged it himself? Tell me more about how I'm hiding behind my vocabulary. 

 

But i did, lets see..

 

Livininabox, on 24 May 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

Thirty minutes ago, I had a tensed duel with a destroyer, me being in a cruiser. It lasted like 3 or 4 minutes -quite a long time- and ended up with me being killed, because I'm terribad at internet warships. But it was fun, and I enjoyed it. 

 

I was about to write "well done, thank you" in chat, when he typed: "next noob, plz". I thought it was very rude. 

 

I checked his stats, just for the sake of it : 64% victories. Not bad, right ? 

 

But who is he ? A good player ? Or a complete d*bag according to what he said ? 

 

And that's the problem with stats : they are meaningless when taken out of their context. 

 

XVM ? Let them have it. D*bags will be d*bags anyway. 

 

(apart from that, I still enjoyed the duel, just wished I wouldn't have read the chatbox)

 

That's the right attitude to have. People who can admit they're not good players and are secure with themselves deserve respect, if not for being good players then for being level headed. Those who try to drag XVM down just because they don't like stats and the stories they tell are in essence insecure and selfishly protecting their ego to others detriment. 

 

Thats what you said, rings any bells? You are basicly telling him hes bad either you intended it or not. So again, how can you judge someone, in a Beta test, if hes a good player or not? Oh wait, let me answer that one for you, YOU CANT!

 

 

 

[Flyntlock]

No ,,,, just no.

[Elgerino]

 

But i did, lets see..

 

 

Thats what you said, rings any bells? You are basicly telling him hes bad either you intended it or not. So again, how can you judge someone, in a Beta test, if hes a good player or not? Oh wait, let me answer that one for you, YOU CANT!

 

 

 

 

Again, read his post. He's the one who said he was bad and that it was okay, I was merely commending him on his level headedness. I don't think I can make it any clearer, even when I quoted the specific lines in his post and you still didn't read it. 

[damo74]

How i feel about xvm: 

 

XVM is broken as it discriminates players by how good/bad they are.

 

Good players get zero'd, simply to ruin this particular guy's game. 

 

Bad players get scolded for being noobs, which results in insults. 

 

Regular players look at XVM and decide upon that data to play for either their own gain, or the gain of the team. Being forced to chose is not the result u want as u want everybody to do as much as they possibly can to win the game, regardless of a higher personal gain for doing something that is not in benefit for the team. 

 

In the end, XVM does not bring anything to the game apart from crying. 

 

Seconded. XVM is cancer.

[Umbarion]

XVM broke WoT for me. Had so much fun playing WoT an a regular basis without being good at all.

Had my fun Hitting a few tanks, maybe destroying one or two and that was awesome. I was even in a clan in 2012 where nobody even knew about XVM and everybody had fun playing the game, no rages and especially no rage quits at all.

 

But at some point somebody found out about XVM... From that moment on everybody started caring about their stats (I was yellow and one of the best in the clan at that point). Of course we had fun challenging each other, but it got worse and worse. When I became a green player (ca. 1200wn6 at that point I belive), i wanted to become blue, when I got close to 2000WN8 all I could think about was becoming a Unicum.

 

ffs.... I never made it to 2000WN8, cause I raged every single battle about the yellows, the oranges and the reds, even against other green players. I played 2800wn8+ in my last 1000battles at that point and the higher my WN8 became, the angrier I got.

I even tried playing after some months again, without any mods at all, but I got so angry after only 2 battles full of [edited] again, that I finally quit playing WoT.

 

XVM is cancer to games like WoT or WoWs. Reds dont use XVM usually, so they dont know they suck (which is absolutly fine to me). Yellow's know XVM and try to improve, hate against orange's and red's. Green Players think they made it whilst ating against yellow's, orange's. Blue players are working on becoming a unicum, understand green's sometimes and hate about everybody fairly worse than themselfes. Unicums.... are unicums... lets keep it that way. Some are really nice and helpful... others aint.

 

And exactly this is the reason, why players hate each other, keep insulting each other in ways I didn't even know you could insult each other and that's also why so many people stop playing WoT.

 

Of course do unicums and blue players spend a lot of money to games like WoT and maybe they won't do that anymore if there is no reason to (cause obviously nobody will see your stats ingame). But is it really worth it? Having so many players hating each other cause of their stats? I don't think so... And I am more than happy that there is nothing like XVM in WoWs (I know about)!

[Elgerino]

The fact you got passionate about improving is not cancerous. To fail and get angry is not cancerous, there's nothing more natural than that. How you decide to treat other people is where that disease lies. And what sort of cure is removing XVM? Mere chicken soup in the face of a rebellion of your own being? 

 

I've said it once, I've said it what feels like a thousand times. Things were just as bad before XVM. The difference in the abuse before and after XVM is semantics only. 

[tw53]

The only way to I see to solve this is by maybe having leagues , so as to those who want to and are " good enough"  to join.

Me , I know I am not very good but still love to play and want to improve and get better ships.So those who want to have XVM , and leave the rest to just enjoy the game  as just a game without the worry of stats.

[Ast3lan]

 

Again, read his post. He's the one who said he was bad and that it was okay, I was merely commending him on his level headedness. I don't think I can make it any clearer, even when I quoted the specific lines in his post and you still didn't read it. 

 

Your sole basis to do so is assuming he is bad, wich you dont know, by comending him , as you say, you are implicitly bystating that he's a bad player without solid evidence of that being the case. Again define what a bad player is based on facts and then come and talk about the viability of XVM in WoWs.

 

Btw, just out of curiosity, what about the other player in his example, what do you make of that i ask...

[Elgerino]

 

Your sole basis to do so is assuming he is bad, wich you dont know, by comending him , as you say, you are implicitly bystating that he's a bad player without solid evidence of that being the case. Again define what a bad player is based on facts and then come and talk about the viability of XVM in WoWs.

 

Btw, just out of curiosity, what about the other player in his example, what do you make of that i ask...

 

You're actually annoying me now. Read his post. I'll even quote it back for your convenience. 

 

Thirty minutes ago, I had a tensed duel with a destroyer, me being in a cruiser. It lasted like 3 or 4 minutes -quite a long time- and ended up with me being killed, because I'm terribad at internet warships. But it was fun, and I enjoyed it. 

 

I was about to write "well done, thank you" in chat, when he typed: "next noob, plz". I thought it was very rude. 

 

I checked his stats, just for the sake of it : 64% victories. Not bad, right ? 

 

But who is he ? A good player ? Or a complete d*bag according to what he said ? 

 

And that's the problem with stats : they are meaningless when taken out of their context. 

 

XVM ? Let them have it. D*bags will be d*bags anyway. 

 

(apart from that, I still enjoyed the duel, just wished I wouldn't have read the chatbox)

 

[Ast3lan]

 

You're actually annoying me now. Read his post. I'll even quote it back for your convenience. 

 

 

I aim to please.

 

Still you have evaded all the relevant questions.

[Elgerino]

 

I aim to please.

 

Still you have evaded all the relevant questions.

 

You aim to be this thick headed? I can't imagine the purpose behind it beyond very temporarily agitating the people you talk to with nonsense.

 

You've posed two questions. 1. Why am I assuming he's bad. Answered, that I'm not assuming anything. He confirmed it. I quoted the post, bolded where he said as much, that this line of argument continues is testament to your foolishness.

2. Why I haven't addressed the fact that people use stats to be jerks. I have, not just innumerate times over the course of this thread but a couple since you started this charade. 

 

This wasn't even a fight, you took a full life combo and died the moment you got involved because you didn't read the source post and this is just you battling the inevitable post-realisation in a hopeless quest to save face.

[damo74]

The fact you got passionate about improving is not cancerous. To fail and get angry is not cancerous, there's nothing more natural than that. How you decide to treat other people is where that disease lies. And what sort of cure is removing XVM? Mere chicken soup in the face of a rebellion of your own being? 

 

I've said it once, I've said it what feels like a thousand times. Things were just as bad before XVM. The difference in the abuse before and after XVM is semantics only. 

 

Things were not nearly as bad before XVM came along.

 

XVM gave the the toxic arseholes the means to start abusing other team members before the match even started, based on some very dodgy stats. Stats which in my opinion have more basis in luck than skill.

[Elgerino]

 

Things were not nearly as bad before XVM came along.

 

XVM gave the the toxic arseholes the means to start abusing other team members before the match even started, based on some very dodgy stats. Stats which in my opinion have more basis in luck than skill.

 

If that's all you can come up with to separate before-XVM with post-XVM, then it isn't nearly as bad as everyone says. Certainly not an issue to remove mod functionality from the game over.

[RaakaKarju]

I like to have XVM mostly to see my own stats and if there some better player whith same ship so watch what he dollaria different than i do and try to learn to come better otherwise he just another player.

[Pauls_HiJinks]

hmmm im back, jus to say, that how really cares no1 so lets end this crap as clearly what will be will be,   

 

also hellspunk,  i did take it back what i said prion, as to not ban mods or xvm maybe if u read the whore post instead of just what you want to see like mtm does,  

 

but anyways like a said b4 who really gives a fiddle about any of this, lol   this topic has gone off topic from the original topic post by cattro, 

 

any how dont let me stop you from carrying on,  as i also said b4 no matter what mods are allowed or not allowed were all screwed as we clearly see here 

some like xvm some dont like xvm,   end of, next subject / topic   bye bye to this topic  as its only now trolled 

[Livininabox]

Your sole basis to do so is assuming he is bad, [...]

Btw, just out of curiosity, what about the other player in his example, what do you make of that i ask...

 

Oh, but I am a bad player. My aim is poor, and I do stupid things like darting forward at the beginning of the game and putting my ship in danger to achieve a common goal -a very very bad thing to do in any WoX game. Hence my abysmal survival rate. Only stat I care for is projectile hit ratio : I try to keep it above 33% ~because reasons. 

As for the other player I mentionned, it is difficult to judge on the sole basis of a single sentence. Maybe he was having a bad day. Or maybe he genuinely prides himself for having "gudstats" after shooting high explosive pixels at armored pixels. 

But a good player would have understood by now that yellow and green players only exist because of red players. Lemons and cucombers and eggplants should thank tomatoes : without them, no "gudstats", and no fapping about WR. One is always the tomatoe of someone else. 

 

[blademansw]

XVM stats in game.  Pure poison.

XVM GUI mods.  Very nice.

[RaakaKarju]

I use 3 mods 1 is cry havocs sight and that whitch show different color of shipclass and third one show ships name whith helthbar whith numbers and under alt key player name.

That sight basicly same as regular sight only black and have numbers on it. So whith those mods playing isint any easier just see easyer what ships are close and what to shoot and whitch ammo  (now allways HE).

Next to wait those sound mods meaning duke nukem etc. 

 

Brobably there gona be some mods even some players dont like them or to mod users, maybe its  better to speak what kind mods or stats we want in game and what not. (just my oppinion )

[ammattimies]

So, have been wondering about XVM for WoWs. I understand it's possible and would incorporate statistics with customization etc. But my real question is; how do people feel about XVM? Does it hinder play as people quickly give up, based on a 40% chance to win, or is it necessary information to you?

 

Silly question. Naturally, it simply makes gameplay better as it helps you tell who the dangerous enemies or teammates are by showing exactly how bad everyone is.

 

The reason why this is so simple is that real players never give up and always fight for the best result, regardless of estimated chances to win. And everyone else than real players should stay in Minesweeper or Tetris instead of trying to waste everyone's time with team-based multiplayer games.

[MrAllko]

xvm is fine IF THE SATS ARE BEING SHOWED AFTER THE DAMN MATCH HAS ENDED!!!!!! Thats it, there is no other way around it.

For those who claim using xvm only to see how they improve would still be able to do it.

TARGET FOCUSING ON THOSE WHO COULD TURN THE TIDE NO MORE!!!!

I enjoy wows for this reason alone.

[Ast3lan]

 

You aim to be this thick headed? I can't imagine the purpose behind it beyond very temporarily agitating the people you talk to with nonsense.

 

You've posed two questions. 1. Why am I assuming he's bad. Answered, that I'm not assuming anything. He confirmed it. I quoted the post, bolded where he said as much, that this line of argument continues is testament to your foolishness.

2. Why I haven't addressed the fact that people use stats to be jerks. I have, not just innumerate times over the course of this thread but a couple since you started this charade. 

 

This wasn't even a fight, you took a full life combo and died the moment you got involved because you didn't read the source post and this is just you battling the inevitable post-realisation in a hopeless quest to save face.

 

Well if you wanted to look like someone level headed with a good argument regarding XVM then i believe you just killed your chances pretty much.

Your combo breaker mumbo jumbo and your whole atitude towards other people is the exact Illustration why we dont need more people like you.