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Hi guys, I just got the Jean Bart and I like to ask what kind of build, modules/captain adapt to her in the current meta of the game (cv, he spam).... Any suggestion? Thanks for the help 

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2 minutes ago, William1990 said:

Hi guys, I just got the Jean Bart and I like to ask what kind of build, modules/captain adapt to her in the current meta of the game (cv, he spam).... Any suggestion? Thanks for the help 

I personally think that if you're putting a specialized captain on a premium ship, you're doing it wrong (with exactly one exception, the Massachussets).

 

Should do fine with a similar skill set up to her sister the Richeleu.

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Doesn't Jean Bart have decent secondary guns though like Massachusetts. So would have thought a similar build to that ship really aimed around getting the most out its secondary guns

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2 minutes ago, MRGTB said:

Doesn't Jean Bart have decent secondary guns though like Massachussets. So would have thought a similar build to that ship aimed around getting the most out the secondaries

ALL of the French bb's have good secondaries. The J-B is no exception to this, unlike the Massachussets which is the only  USN bb that does.

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6 minutes ago, William1990 said:

My biggest doubt is on slot 6,aa modification 2 for better aa or main battery modification 3 for faster reload?  

 

Faster reload is the best option.

 

JB already has some insane AA.

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11 minuti fa, William1990 ha scritto:

My biggest doubt is on slot 6,aa modification 2 for better aa or main battery modification 3 for faster reload?  

 

Personally I went for:

- PT, PM;

- JoAT, EM, AR (this last two upgraded thanks to Honore);

- SI;

- FP, CE.

 

For upgrades:

- AA survival;

- Engine boost mod;

- Aiming system;

- Damage control mod;

- Concealment;

- Faster reload on main guns.

  

Captain is good also for a tank build Alsace/Bourgogne/Republique in my opinion. 

 

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I would defo go for reload boost also. I have the Vanguard which has decent AA and honestly. Using the AA module still doesn't stop CV planes getting through to you, so why bother using it when the reload booster will be far more useful for doing more damage and earning better credits?

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45 minutes ago, lafeel said:

I personally think that if you're putting a specialized captain on a premium ship, you're doing it wrong (with exactly one exception, the Massachussets).

 

Point of order, sir, are you forgetting the Belfast?

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5 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

Point of order, sir, are you forgetting the Belfast?

I have been informed that you can use RN DD skippers in her, otherwise I would have included her.

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18 minutes ago, lafeel said:

I have been informed that you can use RN DD skippers in her, otherwise I would have included her.

 

I guess you can if those captains are for Jutland or Daring - Belfast needs IFHE. Which means you can't really put your Mino captain on her and expect good damage numbers.

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54 minutes ago, Bics93 said:

 

Personally I went for:

- PT, PM;

- JoAT, EM, AR (this last two upgraded thanks to Honore);

- SI;

- FP, CE.

 

For upgrades:

- AA survival;

- Engine boost mod;

- Aiming system;

- Damage control mod;

- Concealment;

- Faster reload on main guns.

  

Captain is good also for a tank build Alsace/Bourgogne/Republique in my opinion. 

 

Same build for me. It's pretty much the best all-purpose build for BB and it suits JB/République very well. The secondaries aren't worth investing into, especially not on Jean Bart which have most of them facing toward the rear.

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1 hour ago, Bics93 said:

 

Personally I went for:

- PT, PM;

- JoAT, EM, AR (this last two upgraded thanks to Honore);

- SI;

- FP, CE.

 

For upgrades:

- AA survival;

- Engine boost mod;

- Aiming system;

- Damage control mod;

- Concealment;

- Faster reload on main guns.

  

Captain is good also for a tank build Alsace/Bourgogne/Republique in my opinion. 

 

I swapped the PM and JOAT for BS and went tank/main battery build, same as I am using on my Republique. 

 

Upgrades :

Main Armaments Mod. 1

Damage Control Sys. 1

Aiming Mod. 1

Damage Control Sys. 2

Concealment Sys Mod. 1 

Main Armaments Mod. 3

 

One of the reasons I would say skip secondaries on this ship is the layout of her guns. All main armament is forward and best secondaries (152mm) is aft, so if you want to use them you need to angle and can't make use of your bow armor. On the Alsace though I recommend a secondary build, not cause it is the best, but cause it is so much fun and have a more suitable layout

 

 

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1 hour ago, lafeel said:

I have been informed that you can use RN DD skippers in her, otherwise I would have included her.

 

You "can", but I wouldn't. But I guess I have had her that long that I had a 19pt specialist cpt in her long before the RN DDs came out.

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2 minutes ago, xxNihilanxx said:

 

You "can", but I wouldn't. But I guess I have had her that long that I had a 19pt specialist cpt in her long before the RN DDs came out.

I have only a ten pointer myself. But it is, appropriately enough, I am sure you will agree, the AL Belfast skipper.

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10 hours ago, lafeel said:

ALL of the French bb's have good secondaries. The J-B is no exception to this, unlike the Massachussets which is the only  USN bb that does.

Good DPM and fire chance but the 100mm guns don't penetrate anything.

 

I still have Manual secondaries and AFT on mine but due to armour profiles and the lack of pen  the opportunities to use them are few.

 

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9 hours ago, Bics93 said:

 

Personally I went for:

- PT, PM;

- JoAT, EM, AR (this last two upgraded thanks to Honore);

- SI;

- FP, CE.

 

For upgrades:

- AA survival;

- Engine boost mod;

- Aiming system;

- Damage control mod;

- Concealment;

- Faster reload on main guns.

  

Captain is good also for a tank build Alsace/Bourgogne/Republique in my opinion. 

 

Excellent build overall, but I don't see how you live without Expert Loader after the BB AP nerf versus DDs.
I would pick EL instead of PM.

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@OP I used do have a semi sec build for french bbs but at this last respec i changed to a survival build and only left germans for sec mayhem

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10 hours ago, MRGTB said:

Using the AA module still doesn't stop CV planes getting through to you, so why bother using it when the reload booster will be far more useful for doing more damage and earning better credits?

 

I can give you an answer to that : if a CV attacks you and loses his squadron after a single pass he will probably not come back for you, as this is very hurtfull to his score potential and could have his CV practically out of aircraft if he persists........also will you have suffered minor damage compared to what that squadron - or worse returning squadrons - would have done, and returning squadrons ususually sink a ship.

 

However if a CV player probes your ship and finds only minor AA damage after the first pass the squadron will turn around and attack again....if AA is weak and the squadron is still flying they come around and attack again. If it is the Kaga that did this they will turn around and attack again. Since you proved such a juicy target, guess where the lauch that takes off right after the last weapons hit you will be heading if you are not sinking yet ?

 

That is the purpose of investing deep in AA......not to prevent the first lauch, but to prevent being sunk by following up attacks that will very likely not come if your ship is able to kill or heavily damage squadrons after only a single pass. The CV mechanic is built around making making several passes now, as a squadron cannot realease all its weapons at the same time as they could in RTS. So it is very hurtfull if you stop them from doing that, a single pass is not enough for them and merely herassing to you.....unless very low HP. But then anything could have killed you.

 

The only thing sane not to invest in AA while 4 CV are present in matches is if you don't want to respec your captain all the time - this costing real money - and know after some time less people will be playing CV and the chance you see them will go down a lot. THEN it is a waste of points ! But consider this : there is still 1 CV to be released....this will prolong the period you will see many CV.  After that it will calm down, probably for a long time, untill WG sees fit to realease the uneven ones....

 

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Or you can know what has strong AA and only strike it after it was softened up or when you dont have a choice about it? The module will hardly make such a difference that it will make a cv give up

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52 minuti fa, Blixies ha scritto:

Excellent build overall, but I don't see how you live without Expert Loader after the BB AP nerf versus DDs.
I would pick EL instead of PM.

 

The times french squishy turrets are incapacitated are more than the times I need to switch to HE for shooting DDs, well, at least it is what I noticed... 

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12 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Or you can know what has strong AA and only strike it after it was softened up or when you dont have a choice about it? The module will hardly make such a difference that it will make a cv give up

 

Playing CV all the time now i can really see and feel if a player has invested deep into AA. The very same ship can be a breeze to sink or put up such AA damage that i pick another fight.

 

Strenghtening weak AA to begin with will do little. But most Tier VIII+ ships ( when not stock ! ) have impressive AA arsenals. Strenghtening them WILL make a HUGE difference in deterring effects. And a CV that does not come back for you after an attack where you took minor damage is ULTIMATE protection, well worth the points.

 

But i encourage anyone to not take such advice....it is against my interest that many do afterall...i like my targets to put up only weak AA so i can make 3-4 attack passes on them, and not lose many aircraft so i can hurt their team even more.

 

Btw i have this Jean Bart ( not used it much but i have inspected its weapons ) and have attacked them with CV ofcourse....with strenghtened AA these are quite formidable.....not first choice for air attack.

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12 hours ago, lafeel said:

I personally think that if you're putting a specialized captain on a premium ship, you're doing it wrong (with exactly one exception, the Massachussets).

What about Leningrad?

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38 minutes ago, B0Tato said:

What about Leningrad?

 

I use my Kiev captain in the Leningrad and the Gremy.

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