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Hey All,

 

So after checking out a lot of threads and reviews on the IJN Azuma, I decided to pull the trigger and get it. I have to say that despite all the negative press surrounding it, its a rather fun super cruiser to play when it isn't paired up against a 1v1 with a enemy battleship...let alone +2 BBs... Obviously this ship, unlike the Alaska or Kronstadt, cannot tank or bounce enemy battleship shells which seem to be the biggest weakness of it so it requires a long range or "evasion" style of play. I just took Flamu's last captain build as a starting point, but I noticed he didn't have a "revamped" newer released version. 

 

That said,

 

I was curious what other Azuma captains are taking for skills and upgrades on this ship? 

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1 hour ago, quickr said:

One post, can't find him on wows numbers... Are you a WG bot trying to sell us Azuma? :Smile_child:

To be fair, he is not the only person to have bought her (although I did it with free xp..)

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I'm a ship collector so I spent the XP. That being said, it's sadly crap compared to both the other supercruisers and the tech tree ships :(.

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7 minutes ago, Lord_Solidus said:

He is a Bot

look at his ships he have, he join 2018 on the 25 of october (6 months ago)


Ever occured this might be a forum account and that his main account is either on another server or he might not want to use his main on the forum (strange I know but some people do this for some reason, usually bans).

 

On topic, the biggest problem I see with the Azuma is the squishyness, and I don't think firepower can even that out. If you look at 2 other IJN ships that are also notoriously squishy, Mogami and Ibuki, they do compensate by having much better concealment and being a bit smaller so they can pick and choose their engagements easier. They are also more manuverable so they can avoid the damage in the first place, and to top it off they don't exactly lack firepower either and have torpedoes.

 

Basically we get an Ibuki but without many of the redeeming qualities the Ibuki has. And while it does not seem to perform badly, keep in mind that even with this small sample size it is not anything super impressive, which is sad.

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For me it feels much less interesting than for example the Alaska which is great fun. Maybe giving the Azuma some torps or reinforcing the bow and stern citadel bulkheads will give it some flavour that could interest more players.

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@Lord_Solidus - This made me laugh. Its too funny some of you are so convinced Wargaming would go out of their way to make bot accounts to sell a ship. 

 

@ollonborre - You are correct, I am just on a different regional server, NA to be precise. I posted the same topic in the NA forums but got nothing but a lot of similar trollish comments such as the typical, "Don't" or "Didn't buy that trash" or the ever useful "Why bother?", that provided no useful information. The internet never ceases to shows folks will hate anything to be part of "the group" and give no real justification for it. I posted on the EU channel here in hopes someone else might provide useful info; but again, the whole "bot account" conspiracy did give me a good laugh, so I at least go that so far. 

 

Anyways, I would agree that it is indeed less fun than Alaska or Kronshtadt at the time of release. I've played a lot of Russian cruisers, so i'm use to the whole, "show a broadside = you explode" concept, but the Azuma does this showing the front or stern too, but only to battleships from what I've found. If you play smartly and conservatively around them, it handles fine, similar to ibuki and mogami, but if a BB has a good shot on you at all, you explode. With that in mind, I don't "push" until most of the BBs are destroyed, or they have no chance of hitting me. The Azuma was touted as the "zao" version of a super cruiser, but with its poor reload time, and given that they nerfed the fire chance and accuracy to give it hydro (WHY!?) I don't find spamming HE in it at all useful... I end up throwing nothing but AP around with it, and it does that well with the 310mm guns. Yet, there are better options (Alaska, kronshtadt). So I'm kinda confused why WG took the design route they did with Azuma... 

 

I can live with what the Azuma currently is..., but what puzzles me the most is, "how do you even spec your captain for this ship?" I know Flamu did a skill build, but I feel its only alright. I have tried Little White Mouse's secondary build, in randoms, just for a laugh and it surprisingly is useful! No joke. However...only useful against DDs and Cruisers with zero battleships around to blap you. As funny as this build is, its definitely NOT the best. So again, how do you spec your captain on it? Just the same as the Zao or the Alaska? 

 

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Red font color, that's forum staff color? Bot, bot, bot!

 

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I got the Azuma for free exp, but have a bad performance with her. Though I kinda like that ship, so I'm hyped about Yoshi

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If you look at Notser's video, Yoshi is more or less identical, only 1 tier up. There are cruisers at tier 8 that I prefer to this.

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11 minutes ago, pegon said:

If you look at Notser's video, Yoshi is more or less identical, only 1 tier up. There are cruisers at tier 8 that I prefer to this.

30 mm armour was restored, which does make an actual difference.

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17 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

30 mm armour was restored, which does make an actual difference.

If the Yoshino gets released with 30 mm deck then its an instabuy pretty much. Sad part then is that the Azuma becomes completely obselete.

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1 hour ago, ollonborre said:

If the Yoshino gets released with 30 mm deck then its an instabuy pretty much. Sad part then is that the Azuma becomes completely obselete.

There's a reason some people decided to not get Azuma. Yoshino gets 30 mm side and centre deck, 25 mm bow and stern. As for Azuma, I don't need a Yoshino to make it obsolete. Alaska does that just fine.

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17 hours ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

There's a reason some people decided to not get Azuma. Yoshino gets 30 mm side and centre deck, 25 mm bow and stern. As for Azuma, I don't need a Yoshino to make it obsolete. Alaska does that just fine.

Yoshino will be Coal-ship, Azuma is Freexp-ship so they are in different classes coustomers wise.

 

I got both Alaska and Azuma and personally don't see much difference. Both are like long-range HE spammers, both don't like to take damage.

 

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23 minutes ago, radius77 said:

Yoshino will be Coal-ship, Azuma is Freexp-ship so they are in different classes coustomers wise.

 

I got both Alaska and Azuma and personally don't see much difference. Both are like long-range HE spammers, both don't like to take damage.

 

No, they are different currencies, not different customers. Pretty much anyone who has played this game for long enough to have 1 million free exp should have a good bit of coal too. If someone is looking at buying these ships, they are typically looking for the experience of an IJN supercruiser and then it is "Do I spend 1 million free exp that I could use otherwise for whatever is offered now or in the future or do I spend whatever amount of coal they ask for Yoshino, which could also be used for other things alternatively?"

 

Also, Alaska has actually decent AP if you get to mid range and Alaska has way better armour. If you can't see a difference between 25 mm everywhere and a citadel like a Nep and reinforced deck, 27 mm bow, underwater citadel, then I guess they might play the same to you, but Alaska sure doesn't play like some long range HE spammer to me.

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56 minutes ago, radius77 said:

Yoshino will be Coal-ship, Azuma is Freexp-ship so they are in different classes coustomers wise.

 

I got both Alaska and Azuma and personally don't see much difference. Both are like long-range HE spammers, both don't like to take damage.

 

Azuma is a made out of ricepaper and spam at long range due to its fragile nature. The Alaska is a mid range support ship with 27 mm bow and 36 mm deck that makes it stupidly tanky compared to the Azuma. It also has improved AP pen angles and radar for utility.

 

So yeah playing the Alaska as an Azuma basically wastes 2/3 of the ship if not more.

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42 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

Azuma is a made out of ricepaper and spam at long range due to its fragile nature. The Alaska is a mid range support ship with 27 mm bow and 30 mm deck that makes it stupidly tanky compared to the Azuma. It also has improved AP pen angles and radar for utility.

 

So yeah playing the Alaska as an Azuma basically wastes 2/3 of the ship if not more.

36 mm deck

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1 minute ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

36 mm deck

Yup changed it, had to look in the port to make sure. Was convinced it was 30 mm but I was mistaken. Still does not change my orginal point, if anything it solidifies it further.

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7 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

Yup changed it, had to look in the port to make sure. Was convinced it was 30 mm but I was mistaken. Still does not change my orginal point, if anything it solidifies it further.

It's basically USN BB deck. It'd be as if Azuma had a 57 mm centre deck. Also one reason why I laugh at WGs claim that 30 mm was a T10 trait, so giving it to a T9 is OP, when Alaska basically gets 27 mm aft/stern, 28 mm upper bow, sandwiched inbetween the armoured belt and a 36 mm deck that bounces Yamato and Republique. Alaska all-round is basically the most survivable cruiser in the entire game. Wouldn't even hand it to Stalingrad/Moskva, given their huge citadel. 

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Azuma is mediocre at best unfortunately. The lack of armor is just part of the problem. I don't really mind it. I accepted the fact that she is a long range sniper. The bigger problem is her size, poor speed, turning circle, rudder shift time and concealment. If you combine all that with the lack of any meaningful armor and slow reload speed than you get a ship that is simply worse than any normal tech tree cruiser. I've got 75k average damage in my Azuma and close to 87k in my Ibuki. The playstile is very similar but the better manouverability, concealment and smaller size of the Ibuki let's me get a bit closer and dodge incoming shells if I have to. Ibuki also got torps, a lot more accurate guns at the same firing range and faster turning turrets too. Azumas guns might hit harder but it's just not enough to redeem all the negatives and drawbacks the ship has. The HP pool is the lowest out of all 3 supercruisers too. I wish I didn't spend 1mill free exp on it. :( It's not that bad of a ship it's just not worth a million free exp at all when you get very similar style tech tree ships without spending your hard earned free exp.

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The main problems of Azuma are  1) Alaska - does almost everything better and has radar, and 2) the citadel which is just begging for devstrike if you show broadside.

Have Alaska, Azuma & Krohnstadt - I find Alaska to be by far the easiest one to play, or at least it fits my playstyle.

I am not into long range HE slinging, and that is what Azuma has to do until BB numbers fall down.

 

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27 minutes ago, MMASK said:

The main problems of Azuma are  1) Alaska - does almost everything better and has radar, and 2) the citadel which is just begging for devstrike if you show broadside.

Have Alaska, Azuma & Krohnstadt - I find Alaska to be by far the easiest one to play, or at least it fits my playstyle.

I am not into long range HE slinging, and that is what Azuma has to do until BB numbers fall down.

 

I mean, I don't own the Azuma, but even with a cruiser, if you catch their broadsides, it isn't hard to citpen them from close to mid range. If you throw a CA against them and a good few outspot the Azuma, you can devastate them from the side. You cannot do the same to Kronshtadt or Alaska.

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10 hours ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

I mean, I don't own the Azuma, but even with a cruiser, if you catch their broadsides, it isn't hard to citpen them from close to mid range. If you throw a CA against them and a good few outspot the Azuma, you can devastate them from the side. You cannot do the same to Kronshtadt or Alaska.

Played Azuma, in a game 2 days ago, had went alone on the flank and had Krohn's broadside at 9 km.

2 salvoes, only 1 citadel in each. Krohn has more than 200 mm citadel belt. Alaska is almost impossible to citadel.

Azuma? Citadelling her is no problem at all, feels like sailing Moskva. Sad truth, Moskva is better armored.

I am fine with new ships not being OP, but presently Azuma has a very restricted role.

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As I am a dedicated collector with 88 Premiums/reward ships in port, Azuma was a must have for me.

 

Overall I like Azuma, I am not disappointed in any way.

I watched the streamers and and they predicted exactly the ship I do have now.

 

Its a longrange supporter dedicated to HE spam for 90% of the battletime. No more, no less.

Thats a job Azuma does extremely well. 

Its absolutely teamdependent, of course. If the team fails, you will be going down without achieving much. A pure teamplayer, no ship to carry anything.

Yes, every wellplayed TX CA is able to take you down in a 1 vs 1.

 

I enjoy playing Azuma, not as a main ship, but its different to Alaska and Kronshtadt and that is why I have the Azuma.

I dont have a specialised captain for it, my Zao skipper does fine with it.

 

It all comes down to the point: what do you expect from this ship regarding your  personal playstyle ?

Do you want to actively influence a battle ? Push the limits ? Carry the day if you see the chance ? Then you probably better skip this ship.

If you work this out properly before aquiring Azuma, you wont be disappointed

 

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I was balancing between azuma and alaska. Soon i will hit 1M fxp and i dont want to spend it on a wrong ship. Pure supporter doesnt make my engine run. I guess i will go for alaska. Thx 4 the info. I appreciate it.

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I knew the day would come, but I now have close to zero use for Azuma since I got Yoshino. Well, since I don't have any high-tier BB with permacamo, I guess it'll serve the purpose of secondary hits farmer with IFHE spec. But don't buy this ship, it's now truly obsolete.

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