[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 3,970 posts 18,034 battles Report post #1 Posted April 16, 2019 SE on CVs is currently liked to the tier of the hull, not to the (effective) tier of the planes. This heavily favors ships like Kaga and leaves ships like Saipan in the dust. CVs that rely on spamming low tier planes already have an advantage, as their big squadrons are less vulnerable to AA and fighter planes. The captain skills should not favour them as well. SE is affecting plane HP, so it should scale with plane tier. Kaga plane HP base: 1110 / 1322 / 1100 With SE: Attack 1230 (+10,81%) TB 1451 (+9,76%) DB 1220 (+10,9%) Saipan plane HP base: 1660 / 2050 / 2322 With SE: Attack 1780 (+7,23%) TB 2170 (+5,85%) DB 2322 (+5,56%) @MrConway 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TC1S] Prospect_b Players 2,655 posts 14,090 battles Report post #2 Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said: This heavily favors ships like Kaga ships? plural? What other ones? 1 hour ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said: as their big squadrons are less vulnerable to AA and fighter planes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BHSFL] Beastofwar Players 4,596 posts Report post #3 Posted April 16, 2019 I think that was pretty intentional, as if they were real Tier X aircraft with Tier VIII HP bonusses they probably would be too strong for the lower tier matches they can face. .....These aircraft can see T VII if i'm not mistaken, and as Tier X aircraft are somewhat overpowered in T VIII matches too, despite smaller squadron size and reserves..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 3,970 posts 18,034 battles Report post #4 Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Saiyko said: ships? plural? What other ones? Big E? Also are you going to tell me Saipan squadrons are not more vulnerable, especially to fighters? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,528 posts 23,186 battles Report post #5 Posted April 16, 2019 I'd have to double check in port but I'm fairly sure plane tiers actually no longer exist. E.g. according to the battle UI both Hellcats and Avengers on E are considered T8 as can be seen here: Spoiler On a different note, Hellcats are now finally labeled as Hellcats. I didn't even notice lol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 3,970 posts 18,034 battles Report post #6 Posted April 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, El2aZeR said: I'd have to double check in port but I'm fairly sure plane tiers actually no longer exist. E.g. according to the battle UI both Hellcats and Avengers on E are considered T8 as can be seen here: Reveal hidden contents On a different note, Hellcats are now finally labeled as Hellcats. I didn't even notice lol. I know they don't exist in port at least, which is why I wrote "effective plane tier". But I am wondering if WG still has interal plane tiers and can just display them. If not, SE could be based on plane HP to make it scale in an adequate way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Asakka Players 850 posts Report post #7 Posted April 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, El2aZeR said: I'd have to double check in port but I'm fairly sure plane tiers actually no longer exist. E.g. according to the battle UI both Hellcats and Avengers on E are considered T8 as can be seen here: Reveal hidden contents On a different note, Hellcats are now finally labeled as Hellcats. I didn't even notice lol. But when you play Kaga her planes shows tier 7 in battle 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] Miragetank90 Players 2,519 posts 17,153 battles Report post #8 Posted April 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Asakka said: But when you play Kaga her planes shows tier 7 in battle This, so I assume it does exist. It could just be a result of sloppiness that it doesn't appear in the port UI. After all, there are so many other metrics that don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,528 posts 23,186 battles Report post #9 Posted April 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said: But I am wondering if WG still has interal plane tiers and can just display them. If not, SE could be based on plane HP to make it scale in an adequate way. Well, since according to @Asakka plane tiers do actually still exist I guess this would be a rather specific nerf for the Kaga and buff for the Saipan since Enterprise planes are actually considered T8. Not really sure if that is needed tbh. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 11,904 posts 13,178 battles Report post #10 Posted April 16, 2019 2 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said: SE on CVs is currently liked to the tier of the hull, not to the (effective) tier of the planes. This heavily favors ships like Kaga and leaves ships like Saipan in the dust. CVs that rely on spamming low tier planes already have an advantage, as their big squadrons are less vulnerable to AA and fighter planes. The captain skills should not favour them as well. SE is affecting plane HP, so it should scale with plane tier. Kaga plane HP base: 1110 / 1322 / 1100 With SE: Attack 1230 (+10,81%) TB 1451 (+9,76%) DB 1220 (+10,9%) Saipan plane HP base: 1660 / 2050 / 2322 With SE: Attack 1780 (+7,23%) TB 2170 (+5,85%) DB 2322 (+5,56%) @MrConway Skill description is rather clear on that matter: So nothing to see here, move on, working as intended and so on Besides, I don't think any changes related to premium CVs now are going to be... well received. That and only carrier "capable of spamming lowtier planes" is Kaga. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 3,970 posts 18,034 battles Report post #11 Posted April 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, Panocek said: Skill description is rather clear on that matter: So nothing to see here, move on, working as intended and so on Besides, I don't think any changes related to premium CVs now are going to be... well received. That and only carrier "capable of spamming lowtier planes" is Kaga. Did I say it was bugged? I said it needs to be fixed in the way it currently works. So move on if want, your comment doesn't help anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,528 posts 23,186 battles Report post #12 Posted April 16, 2019 Just now, __Helmut_Kohl__ said: I said it needs to be fixed in the way it currently works. Again, why? In terms of overall stats Kaga and Saipan are extremely close. If you consider the top players only Saipan actually outperforms Kaga by quite a bit. As such I see no reason why Kaga and Saipan should be nerfed/buffed respectively in this manner. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 11,904 posts 13,178 battles Report post #13 Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said: Did I say it was bugged? I said it needs to be fixed in the way it currently works. So move on if want, your comment doesn't help anyway. And chances of your rant changing skill operation because of one carrier benefiting too much from it are about as likely as me getting raise tomorrow With that logic, SE also should have greater impact on UK carriers as they are actually entire line built around "quality over quantity" idea. Which would be okay approach for balancing if not glorious catapult/CAP mechanics Share this post Link to post Share on other sites