WG: FIX SE on CVs

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

SE on CVs is currently liked to the tier of the hull, not to the (effective) tier of the planes.

This heavily favors ships like Kaga and leaves ships like Saipan in the dust.

 

CVs that rely on spamming low tier planes already have an advantage, as their big squadrons are less vulnerable to AA and fighter planes. The captain skills should not favour them as well.

 

SE is affecting plane HP, so it should scale with plane tier.  

 

Kaga plane HP

base: 1110 / 1322 / 1100

With SE:

Attack 1230 (+10,81%)  

TB 1451 (+9,76%)

DB 1220 (+10,9%)

 

Saipan plane HP

base: 1660 / 2050 / 2322

With SE:

Attack 1780 (+7,23%)

TB 2170 (+5,85%)

DB 2322 (+5,56%)

 

@MrConway  

[Prospect_b]

1 hour ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

This heavily favors ships like Kaga

ships? plural? What other ones?

 

1 hour ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

as their big squadrons are less vulnerable to AA and fighter planes.

[Beastofwar]

I think that was pretty intentional, as if they were real Tier X aircraft with Tier VIII HP bonusses they probably would be too strong for the lower tier matches they can face. .....These aircraft can see T VII if i'm not mistaken, and as Tier X aircraft are somewhat overpowered in T VIII matches too, despite smaller squadron size and reserves.....

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 minute ago, Saiyko said:

ships? plural? What other ones?

 

 

Big E? 

 

Also are you going to tell me Saipan squadrons are not more vulnerable, especially to fighters? 

[El2aZeR]

I'd have to double check in port but I'm fairly sure plane tiers actually no longer exist.

E.g. according to the battle UI both Hellcats and Avengers on E are considered T8 as can be seen here:

Spoiler

 

 

On a different note, Hellcats are now finally labeled as Hellcats. I didn't even notice lol.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

15 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

I'd have to double check in port but I'm fairly sure plane tiers actually no longer exist.

E.g. according to the battle UI both Hellcats and Avengers on E are considered T8 as can be seen here:

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On a different note, Hellcats are now finally labeled as Hellcats. I didn't even notice lol.

 

I know they don't exist in port at least, which is why I wrote "effective plane tier". 

 

But I am wondering if WG still has interal plane tiers and can just display them. If not, SE could be based on plane HP to make it scale in an adequate way.

[Asakka]

25 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

I'd have to double check in port but I'm fairly sure plane tiers actually no longer exist.

E.g. according to the battle UI both Hellcats and Avengers on E are considered T8 as can be seen here:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

On a different note, Hellcats are now finally labeled as Hellcats. I didn't even notice lol.

But when you play Kaga her planes shows tier 7 in battle 

[Miragetank90]

2 minutes ago, Asakka said:

But when you play Kaga her planes shows tier 7 in battle 

 

This, so I assume it does exist. 

It could just be a result of sloppiness that it doesn't appear in the port UI. After all, there are so many other metrics that don't.

[El2aZeR]

11 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

But I am wondering if WG still has interal plane tiers and can just display them. If not, SE could be based on plane HP to make it scale in an adequate way.

 

Well, since according to @Asakka plane tiers do actually still exist I guess this would be a rather specific nerf for the Kaga and buff for the Saipan since Enterprise planes are actually considered T8.

Not really sure if that is needed tbh.

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

SE on CVs is currently liked to the tier of the hull, not to the (effective) tier of the planes.

This heavily favors ships like Kaga and leaves ships like Saipan in the dust.

 

CVs that rely on spamming low tier planes already have an advantage, as their big squadrons are less vulnerable to AA and fighter planes. The captain skills should not favour them as well.

 

SE is affecting plane HP, so it should scale with plane tier.  

 

Kaga plane HP

base: 1110 / 1322 / 1100

With SE:

Attack 1230 (+10,81%)  

TB 1451 (+9,76%)

DB 1220 (+10,9%)

 

Saipan plane HP

base: 1660 / 2050 / 2322

With SE:

Attack 1780 (+7,23%)

TB 2170 (+5,85%)

DB 2322 (+5,56%)

 

@MrConway  

Skill description is rather clear on that matter:

So nothing to see here, move on, working as intended and so on

Besides, I don't think any changes related to premium CVs now are going to be... well received. That and only carrier "capable of spamming lowtier planes" is Kaga.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

31 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Skill description is rather clear on that matter:

So nothing to see here, move on, working as intended and so on

Besides, I don't think any changes related to premium CVs now are going to be... well received. That and only carrier "capable of spamming lowtier planes" is Kaga.

 

Did I say it was bugged? 

 

I said it needs to be fixed in the way it currently works.

 

So move on if want, your comment doesn't help anyway. 

[El2aZeR]

Just now, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

I said it needs to be fixed in the way it currently works.

 

Again, why?

In terms of overall stats Kaga and Saipan are extremely close. If you consider the top players only Saipan actually outperforms Kaga by quite a bit.

 

As such I see no reason why Kaga and Saipan should be nerfed/buffed respectively in this manner.

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Did I say it was bugged? 

 

I said it needs to be fixed in the way it currently works.

 

So move on if want, your comment doesn't help anyway. 

And chances of your rant changing skill operation because of one carrier benefiting too much from it are about as likely as me getting raise tomorrow

With that logic, SE also should have greater impact on UK carriers as they are actually entire line built around "quality over quantity" idea. Which would be okay approach for balancing if not glorious catapult/CAP mechanics