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ID Königsberg klasse

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Can anyone ID this kreuzer?

I think it is a Königsberg klasse and I think the Köln kreuzer looks most similar, but not 100 %.

The flag seems to not be from ww2, maybe it was rebuilt and modified for ww2?

 

 

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I think it is the Köln which entered service in 1930 and thus does not fly the flag of the Kriegsmarine but the Weimar Republic war ensign. 

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Also mit Blick auf die Brückenaufbauten und den Mast sowie die hinteren Aufbauten würde ich auch ziemlich sicher auf die Köln tippen.

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Thanks for the replies, I agree that it looks more like the Köln than the others. The only difference I can find is in this area. (see picture)

 

 

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@Jepplen

 

Well, everybody's wrong ;)

I had only wondered about the passengers on a German Cruiser
And then I found this.....
It's probably the "Karlsruhe" with its "Good Will Rides"

"In the early 1920s the Weimar Republic commissioned a series of new light cruisers of
the Königsberg class and in July 1926, the keel of the later christened Karlsruhe was laid down.
The 570 feet long and almost 50 feet wide ship was used as a training cruiser for future German
naval officers. Between 1930 and 1936 the ship conducted in all five good-will tours around the
world, two under the Weimar Republic and three under the Third Reich. These good-will tours
or "Good Will Rides" were an important first step in reconciling Germany to the rest of the
world and were meant to improve international relations. The Foreign Office and the Ministry of
Defense carefully orchestrated all stops of the vessels in conjunction with the respective
embassies abroad. Final arrangements were made at least six-nine months before the scheduled
visits and even small adjustments to the itinerary proved troublesome. Further, all visits were
treated as “unofficial presentations.”
The mission of the Karlsruhe was twofold: first to extend or renew relations with other
nations, and second to foster notions of Heimat and the Germandom (Deutschtum) abroad. The
dissertation is divided in two large parts; the individual training cruises with all the
arrangements, the selection of the individual nations and ports, and explores the level of decision
making amongst the various agencies, departments, and organizations involved. For the Weimar
Republic, the ship represented modernity and a break with the past, and embodied at one and the
same time, traditional German culture and the idea of progress. Since the cruiser continued its
training abroad after 1933, a comparison between the “two Germanies” makes sense. "

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Vor 3 Minuten, _Propaganda_Panda_ sagte:

@Jepplen

It's probably the "Karlsruhe" with its "Good Will Rides"

Da passen aber die Aussichstplattform am Mast als auch die hinteren Aufbauten nicht.

Die Köln passt (in meinen Augen) am besten zu den Fotos im Eröffnungspost.

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58 minutes ago, Takemikazuchi_1121 said:

Köln 1930:

 

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Interesting find!

Do you also know how to find the 1930 Königsberg and Karlsruhe?

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Problem ist nur das die Köln solche Reisen nie gemacht hat sondern nur eine Ausbildungsreise für Offiziere

Was mich stutzig gemacht hatte waren wie gesagt die Passagiere
Und da kam nur die Karlsruhe in den Verdacht weil die mehrere Fahrten gemacht hatte mit den "Gute Wille Reisen"
Und das waren ja genug Länder die sie besucht hatte....
 

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Vor 5 Minuten, _Propaganda_Panda_ sagte:

Problem ist nur das die Köln solche Reisen nie gemacht hat sondern nur eine Ausbildungsreise für Offiziere

Was mich stutzig gemacht hatte waren wie gesagt die Passagiere
Und da kam nur die Karlsruhe in den Verdacht weil die mehrere Fahrten gemacht hatte mit den "Gute Wille Reisen"
Und das waren ja genug Länder die sie besucht hatte....

 

Hatte mich auch gewundert.

Könnte mir das so erklären, dass vor oder während der Ausbildungsreise mal Zivilisten an Bord der Köln kamen... :Smile_unsure:

 

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Vor 1 Stunde, Takemikazuchi_1121 sagte:

 

Hatte mich auch gewundert.

Könnte mir das so erklären, dass vor oder während der Ausbildungsreise mal Zivilisten an Bord der Köln kamen... :Smile_unsure:

 

Was die "luftige Kleidung" erklären könnte das es die Köln ist und während ihrem Stop in Melbourne diese Fotos gemacht wurden
Das wäre ein Bild der Köln beim Hafenaufenthalt dort
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Ich wollte es auch schon sagen, Zivilisten an Bord gibt es doch vermutlich bei verschiedenen Anlässen, zb Hafengeburtstag Hamburg.

 

Auch der Anker passt nicht zur Karlsruhe, mMn. 

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Vor 1 Stunde, Jepplen sagte:

Interesting find!

Do you also know how to find the 1930 Königsberg and Karlsruhe?

Sure! --> Klick!  (a Link to the shipbucket-Site, there you can find a lot of Ships from a lot of Nations; also never-built Ships (in the Menu under "Drawings" -> Never Built")).

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2 hours ago, Takemikazuchi_1121 said:

Sure! --> Klick!  (a Link to the shipbucket-Site, there you can find a lot of Ships from a lot of Nations; also never-built Ships (in the Menu under "Drawings" -> Never Built")).

Great thanks! :)

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Thanks everyone for your excellent inputs.

It seems most are thinking it has the biggest  chance of being the Köln.

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