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Does ever WG and WoWs intend to honor Greece?

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The german campaign against Greece gave two more months to Soviets to prepare and costed the Airborn units of Germany that were intended to be used to capture Soviet strategic points in soviet ground , and never used agsin as a task force.

Greece gave a lot of heroism examples like the one that fololows:

Greece had a fort line in its northern borders with Bulgaria that Germans failed to brake.

In one of the cases 3 soldiers under the command of Sergeant Istios that were a crew of a machine gun bunger fired upon a German Regiment over 38000 bulltes and surrounded only when his ammo was over.

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He costed to that Regiment 250 dead -not counting the wounded ones.

The German General Sorner 1st ordered the German Regiment to show honor by presenting arms and them he shoted him in the head.

The other two greek soldiers were not harmed and describe the dialog between Sorner and Itsios

Sorner: Where is your commanding Officer?

Itsios : There is none i am in charge here.

Sorner : You

Itsios: Yes me.

Sorner: Gongatulations, with your resistance you brought to life the spirit of your ancestors.

Itsios : I did my duty.

Sorner: Now i must do mine. You cost me over 200 men.

The German General ordered his men to present arms and then he shot him in the head.

Here is a wiki page in Russian since WG is Russian company. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ициос,_Димитриос

WG ignores Greece in all its games. Despite the fact that without the Greeks "rasputitsa" would never be an opsticle to Germans if they were invaded Soviet Union 2 months earlier.

The question is simple: WHY???

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I am Greek and I find the OPs post a total embarrassment. 

We are yet to have a French or Italian DD line, not a single Dutch ship and he expects that there ought to be a Greek one? 

I am extremely proud of the Centuries (or millennia) old naval traditions of Greece. 

But lets not kid ourselves. There is no reason for Greek ships to take precedence over navies that were larger and IMPORTANTLY, had their own UNIQUE ships. 

So instead of talking in generalities and crying foul, lets see the facts. What ships EXACTLY could a Greek line have? 

Yes there could be an entire DD line. However, with one exception, all the ships would be those of other nations, most of them already in the game (e.g. Benson, Fletcher Gearing at the higher tiers). Only Olga and Vassilefs Georgios offer a unique set up, being UK DDs with German larger guns. Even if one goes down that route, surely the Italian, French and Dutch navies take precedence with the unique ships they offer. What about cruisers? There is only one, the 1947 Elli (no, not the one that was sunk in 1940 which could only play at tier 1...), the ex Eugenio di Savoia, which is in fact the sister ship of the in-game Tier 6 Duca d'Aosta. Why would it be interesting to have a Greek premium ship that is a copy of another in game premium ship? What about BBs? There are none other than the Mississippi-Class Lemnos and Kilkis, roughly equivalent to the in-game terrible to play Tier 2 Mikasa. Unlike the Mikasa the two ships have nothing important historically other than being the first US made battleships to be sunk in WW2 (USS Arizona was not the first...) and I would have thought the first Battleships to be sunk by airpower alone. Mikasa is in game for a reason, even though it plays so badly. There can be no justification for Lemnos or Kilkis.

And finally we come to the elephant in the room. So many of my compatriots wish to see the Averof featured in game. There is a justification at one level: no other ship in history, of any nation and at any age, had, in its own, a lasting major impact on the course of geo-political events as the Averof did. The modern map of the eastern Aegean is the way it is because of that single ship and that level of impact cannot be claimed by any famous ship anywhere: not the Victory, not the Constitution, not the Aurora or the Potemkin, certainly not the Missouri. It is wrong to say, as many unhistorical Greeks (including official navy officers) claim, that the Averof is the only ship to have fought in both world wars that is still preserved, partly because there are others (e.g. Texas), and also because it hardly left port in WWI, most of the time having been taken over by the French whilst Greece was trying to stay out of the war (yes the famous ship was captured by a foreign navy but shhhh, don't tell anyone...). But that is irrelevant, as I said, what Averof achieved in two battles in 1912 against overwhelming numerical odds (one armoured cruiser v 3 battleships and one cruiser) and the supreme dominance it achieved in the area eclipses the achievements of any other single warship anywhere and there is no reason to ascertain its historical significance beyond that, although the fact that it was kept operable to the extent that it served in protecting Indian Ocean convoys in WWII is truly an incredible achievement as well.

Having said that, the Averof cannot really feature in the game without significant new game features. This is why: its main guns and armour are significantly worse than those of the Mikasa, which is the worse BB in the game. The Averof, of course, is not a battleship (even though my compatriots often refer to it as such), but an Armoured Cruiser. But it has long reload main guns. There is no way to turn this into a cruiser high dpm ship nor can it feature as a battleship. Where it does have something that Mikasa does not have is the extremely powerful high calibre secondary guns, of a higher calibre (7.5 inch) than the secondary guns of any warship in game (including Yamato etc etc), but there are only 8 of them, four on each side in four turrets. These are too few to have an impact in the way the game utilises secondaries. That is why the only way that Averof could ever see the day would be by adopting a unique playstyle where the player would gain control both of the main and the secondary guns. 

So in conclusion: there are many perfectly reasonable factors why WG has not gone for Greek ships. Even if they did, at best they would replicate existing DD lines and would have to innovate further beyond the pan-asian meta. The Averoff can only be featured if a way is found to utilise its monster secondaries which were of near equal importance with its main guns and that would require a totally new re-work of how guns are controlled. Only the Olga/Georgios ships can genuinely offer a unique play style (UK hulls and torps married to German guns). The 1947 Elli, is a repeat (sister ship) of Duca d'Aosta and could easily be offered as a duplicate premium if only so that those that are too easily offended, finally stop moaning.

    

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They do not ignore it.

It is just capitalism. You invest money where you get the best return.

Sooner or later we will have greek ships. No worries.

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On 4/11/2019 at 5:53 PM, Anthoniusii said:

The german campaign against Greece gave two more months to Soviets to prepare and costed the Airborn units of Germany that were intended to be used to capture Soviet strategic points in soviet ground , and never used agsin as a task force.

Greece gave a lot of heroism examples like the one that fololows:

Greece had a fort line in its northern borders with Bulgaria that Germans failed to brake.

In one of the cases 3 soldiers under the command of Sergeant Istios that were a crew of a machine gun bunger fired upon a German Regiment over 38000 bulltes and surrounded only when his ammo was over.

200px-ITSIOS-DIMITRIOS.jpg

He costed to that Regiment 250 dead -not counting the wounded ones.

The German General Sorner 1st ordered the German Regiment to show honor by presenting arms and them he shoted him in the head.

The other two greek soldiers were not harmed and describe the dialog between Sorner and Itsios

Sorner: Where is your commanding Officer?

Itsios : There is none i am in charge here.

Sorner : You

Itsios: Yes me.

Sorner: Gongatulations, with your resistance you brought to life the spirit of your ancestors.

Itsios : I did my duty.

Sorner: Now i must do mine. You cost me over 200 men.

The German General ordered his men to present arms and then he shot him in the head.

Here is a wiki page in Russian since WG is Russian company. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ициос,_Димитриос

WG ignores Greece in all its games. Despite the fact that without the Greeks "rasputitsa" would never be an opsticle to Germans if they were invaded Soviet Union 2 months earlier.

The question is simple: WHY???

@ColonelPete is pretty much right with his answer. 
There is always a chance:)

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On 4/17/2019 at 12:01 PM, WG_Lumberjack said:

@ColonelPete is pretty much right with his answer. 
There is always a chance:)

A chance? Are you mocking me? You had your chances hundreds of times. You gave as task ship rewards cartoon ships, cloned US or Soviet ships to PanAsia tech tree, you even made a Polish Destroyer that NEVER actually fought! And you created  a long line of British and German destroyers that allow you to have Unique Hellenic Destroyers that honored by fighting alll along WW2 and you say "there is always a chance"? Why WG does not simply admits that hates everything Greek to end up this story?

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43 minutes ago, Anthoniusii said:

...you even made a Polish Destroyer that NEVER actually fought!

As expected from you...

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In early May 1940, Błyskawica took part in the Norwegian Campaign, shelling German positions and downing two Luftwaffe aircraft. Her sister ship Grom was bombed and sunk during the campaign. Later that month, she took part in covering Operation Dynamo, the successful British led evacuation from Dunkirk.

During the rest of the war, Błyskawica took part in convoy and patrol duties, engaging both U-boats and the Luftwaffe in the Atlantic and Mediterranean. In 1941 her 120 mm guns were replaced with British 102 mm (4 in) dual-purpose guns. The ship was also given escort duties for troop transports, notably RMS Queen Mary, being one of the few ships that could keep up with the liner.

On the night of 4–5 May 1942, Błyskawica was instrumental in defending the Isle of Wight town of Cowes from an air raid by 160 German bombers. The ship was undergoing an emergency refit at the J. Samuel White yard where she had been built and, on the night of the raid, fired repeated rounds at the German bombers from outside the harbour; her guns became so hot they had to be doused with water from the River Medina. Extra ammunition had to be ferried over from Portsmouth. This forced the bombers to stay high, making it difficult for them to target properly. The ship also laid down a smokescreen hiding Cowes from sight. The town and the shipyard were badly damaged, but it is generally considered that without this defensive action, it would have been far worse. In 2002 the crew's courage was honoured by a local commemoration lasting several days to mark the 60th anniversary of the event. In 2004 an area of Cowes was named Francki Place in honour of the ship's commander. The Isle of Wight Council approved the idea of having Błyskawica return to Cowes in 2012 to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the event and the 75th anniversary of the ship's commissioning.[12] There were large celebrations commemorating the 70th anniversary of Cowes's defence in 2012 lasting several days and attended by Polish warship ORP Toruń. Another large event to commemorate Blyskawica's 75th anniversary was organised by Friends of the ORP Błyskawica Society in May 2017, the Polish Navy Minelayer ORP Gniezno arrived at the port to take part in the celebrations.[13]

In March 1943 Błyskawica replaced HMS Lightning, which was sunk by E-boats on 12 March 1943, in Cruiser Force Q based at Bône, North Africa. On 8 June 1944, Błyskawica took part in the Battle of Ushant against Kriegsmarine destroyers.

During the war, she logged 146,000 nautical miles (270,000 km) and escorted 83 convoys. In combat she damaged three U-boats, helped sink other ships, and shot down at least four aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Błyskawica

 

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20 minutes ago, Anthoniusii said:

you even made a Polish Destroyer that NEVER actually fought!

uwotm8

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Błyskawica#Operational_history

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she took part in covering Operation Dynamo, the successful British led evacuation from Dunkirk.

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On 8 June 1944, Błyskawica took part in the Battle of Ushant against Kreigsmarine destroyers.

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On the night of 4–5 May 1942, Błyskawica was instrumental in defending the Isle of Wight town of Cowes from an air raid by 160 German bombers.

See: https://www.isleofwight.co.uk/orp-blyskawica-75th-anniversary-defence-cowes/

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During the war, she logged 146,000 nautical miles (270,000 km) and escorted 83 convoys. In combat she damaged three U-boats, helped sink other ships, and shot down at least four aircraft.

 

Regardless of your perception of existing ships, there are more nations than just Greece that have ships that could feature in WoWS but so far do not. However, as with ships like Blyska, they are limited in usefulness (and thus popularity) by not having a standard tech tree associated with them, which makes them less valuable to WG. Still, I could imagine something like a Hellenic premium Queen Olga or something one day (although she's a G class like Gallant with less guns and torpedoes) or perhaps even as a part of the Pan-European tree that WG have mentioned should one day arrive to help accomodate nations with ships that were important but limited in number.

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