Hiting ships and getting hit

[Dagon_NOR]

I do not think that i am really that bad at the game, i end up mostly in the midle/upper midle part of the xp ranking in a mach.

Despite that i am really terrible at hiting ships and get the feeling that whoever i am fighting against at least manages to land one shell on my deck.

What is the trick to manage to always hit at 20km?

I dont think it has anything to do with the aim assist (otherwise all others had to use it and i dont think that is the case).

 

Training and getting used to hiting can't be it either, since i assume quite some of those i fight didn't play the game for much longer than i do.

 

I do understand the variables that play a part in aiming, but i can't see how one would be able to know my speed and detailed angeling at a distance of 20km. How do they know?

What do i miss?

[Coenraad]

I am sure some will mention s certain Mod, but as with all games many people simply are good and fast gunners.

 

A tip i as a noob can give is to zigzag a bit to throw enemy aim off.

[Celandri]

usualy remember if its max range, do fast break (aka stop/full break) and press q or e a few times here and there they will miss 99% of the time, thats what i do when i see shells going towards me, also need to learn reload times to get breaks just before their shells go out of the gun to evade second barrage (ok this is a super trick what i use to surive long battles )

 

heres a picture of what i do

[DestoryerO_o]

I do understand the variables that play a part in aiming, but i can't see how one would be able to know my speed and detailed angeling at a distance of 20km. How do they know?

What do i miss?

 

IMHO the culprit is the mod. The patch that is among other things starting the fight against that and similar mods will be here before the end of the month, and something tells me that we'll observe that lots and lots of players are suffering from sudden loss of their aiming "skills".

[Dagon_NOR]

Oh, i am maneuvering like crazy and changing speeds as well. I am as unpredictable as it gets.

 

And as i pointed out, i don't blame the mod. I can't believe that most of the others use it and i am the only idiot who doesn't.

[Celandri]

forgot to say there is a few mods that should be removed, Eye of sauron (gives you top down info with the aim assistance they will see how you break down and such)

[Mindfulcrane07]

I do not think that i am really that bad at the game, i end up mostly in the midle/upper midle part of the xp ranking in a mach.

Despite that i am really terrible at hiting ships and get the feeling that whoever i am fighting against at least manages to land one shell on my deck.

What is the trick to manage to always hit at 20km?

I dont think it has anything to do with the aim assist (otherwise all others had to use it and i dont think that is the case).

 

Training and getting used to hiting can't be it either, since i assume quite some of those i fight didn't play the game for much longer than i do.

 

I do understand the variables that play a part in aiming, but i can't see how one would be able to know my speed and detailed angeling at a distance of 20km. How do they know?

What do i miss?

i fell when you have played a larger amount of battles you start to know where to aim. for instance i usualy know where to aim and i hit with quite a lot of my shells 41% i belive. so as i said just play some games and it will come over time.

[JapLance]

There's a "aim mod mania" everywhere.

 

I'm not using it, but I can put at least 1 hit at maximum range many times. Then ,like last night, I fire a full salvo on a Fuso and hit an enemy Cleveland with more hits (a few were citadel penetrations), took 90% of his health and he starts screaming in chat "AIM MOD, AIM MOD...CHEATER... blah blah blah".

 

Obviously, there was a lot of RNG involved, but if you sail straight on at a constant speed, someone is going to hit you. Just because you can't do it, don't think nobody can.

[OldGrandad]

As much as some players decry PvE I would suggest that anyone that wants to brush up on aiming skills need to go against the bots as they can prove very evasive and once your skill has improved there let lose you improved gunnery skills upon the rest of us mere mortals. But, upon seeing your statistics you have done very well indeed so all I can say is steady as she goes and by 250 battles I am sure you will be a master gunner. 

 

[Samurai__]

I would say experience plays a big part in being able to land shots at range.

 

After more than a few games, it becomes almost second nature to judge the lead required to hit a moving taget at range.  You also need to judge transverse (side to side) movement as well as speed.

 

I too am not great at this, but that's because I play mostly DD

[Celandri]

experience after some time will be way better than aim mod generaly,

I have beaten lots of them and i don't fuss to much anymore, but the new players will have problems as they have not learned the tactic of dodging shells

but the mostly biggest thing is actualy to learn charatistics of diffrent ships. like BB = turn slow no need to precalc to much and hit way easier than CC, and so on

but you learn the diffrent ranges after a while though.

only thing i dont like with aim bot is it knows when you get out of a zone even if your hidden and thats where i rage

[tw53]

Dont forget it can also depend what ship you are using , as I can aim ok in DD,CC but total crap in a BB, can,t understand y but thats life

 

[daki]

@OP

The trick? There is no trick as it is impossible to always hit at such ranges - RNG anyone?

Joking aside, good players who have  enough experience and sense of predicting your position will manage to hit you more consistently. Similar effect can be achieved by players using the aiming mod as a crutch, but only in case the opponent does not change direction / speed.

So in order to reduce the chance of being consistently hit by good players or mod abusers, try to make your maneuvering as unpredictable as possible and in case of BBs shooting you at long range, watch for their moment of launching salvos and then start changing speed/direction.

From the point of view of shooting, practice, practice, practice, and you will see the results eventually.

Please just do not overestimate the usefulness of max range fighting since now and then everyone has a lucky salvo wrecking the enemy at 20km, but on average only a few shells tend to hit. 

The ability to hit greatly increases at ranges below 15km, and if you are bold enough go for very close range where your damage output can be significantly increased with secondary guns.

[Crooq_Lionfang]

I wanted to give the OP some advice, then looked him up and saw that his K/D-ratio, average xp are much higher than mine with just about a quarter of my matches 

 

 

Then again, my hit rate is higher so: Sure it's a bit trial and error, but after enough games you will get a feeling for distances, zoomed in you will see the rough course the enemy takes and automatically find a leading point with a high chance of hitting. Nobody can see how many knots you do but by observing the target for a couple seconds you can make a rough estimate nontheless. There are vertical and horizontal indicators in the scope, use them to draw a line from where the target is to where you expect him to be. Didn't get the hang of it until somewhere between 400 and 500 battles, and I'm still not great, but I did notice it's getting better slowly.

 

Well, all that above is probably worthy of a salute from Cpt Obvious, but hey, maybe someone's out there that can use that advice.

[PaRaNo1a]

I do not think that i am really that bad at the game, i end up mostly in the midle/upper midle part of the xp ranking in a mach.

Despite that i am really terrible at hiting ships and get the feeling that whoever i am fighting against at least manages to land one shell on my deck.

What is the trick to manage to always hit at 20km?

I dont think it has anything to do with the aim assist (otherwise all others had to use it and i dont think that is the case).

 

Training and getting used to hiting can't be it either, since i assume quite some of those i fight didn't play the game for much longer than i do.

 

I do understand the variables that play a part in aiming, but i can't see how one would be able to know my speed and detailed angeling at a distance of 20km. How do they know?

What do i miss?

 

What I was doing before, when I saw the ship moving I pressed "Alt" to check the time for the shell required to land where I aim. I counted those seconds and see how far the enemy went and by the eye I shot at that distance lead.

Now its just a matter of experience I don`t even count I just shoot approximately by eye, nothing hard when the enemy just moves in a straight line, it get a bit trickier when they decide to turn and I have to adjust the aim again, but I still land some hits.

[Shepbur]

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/7939-leading-your-aim-a-guide-to-glory/

 

My guide to aiming for the newer players... It's reasonably accurate for you to at least start learning from and hopefully can help you with hitting targets

[PeterPowers]

just a short note:

if you hit the ALT key, it will not only show you the names of others and their ships, it will also show their distance,

you can also see the distance you are aiming at and flight time as well. all you need to estimate is the lead distance you need, to get a better idea of that, it helps to hit the X key...

[Dagon_NOR]

I appreciate the good advices.

 

The funny thing about these kind of games is, that one only sees the game through personal experience, maybe quite some of my oponents do only hit me once and the other hits come from other people.

 

But after seeing that quite some people are able to hit the target at max range in almost all cases due to training i aspire to achieve that as well.

I for once find it annoying to not perform as good as one could with some dedication.

 

 

@Shepbur

 

Nice guide, quite more helpfull than what i found until now.

[tw53]

Thats the name of the game hit or be hit

 

[Grimdorf]

I would say experience plays a big part in being able to land shots at range.

 

After more than a few games, it becomes almost second nature to judge the lead required to hit a moving taget at range.  You also need to judge transverse (side to side) movement as well as speed.

 

I too am not great at this, but that's because I play mostly DD

 

Absolutely agree!

I need more practice but find BB's somewhat boring to play, too slow and ideally having to stay back make them my least favorite ship type at present, despite the horrendous damage they can inflict.

 

[Aernir]

Things to do in order to improve your aim.

 

1. Use the Alt key to bring up range and travel time details, always, before taking a shot.

 

2. Watch the enemy for a few seconds before you fire your first salvo, perhaps unlocking them/disable target auto-tracking  and count the seconds and notches they travel across in your sight.

 

3. Identify their exact heading by looking at the minimap, compensate accordingly.

 

4. Try to memorize the speed and lead requirement of every ship in the game, depending on the travel time of shells. Easiest part, really, since it's simply a matter of practice, practice and more practice. This will come in time even if you're not actively trying, faster if you do.

 

5. Hold fire for a while (don't over do it, though) if they're in the process of turning or just presenting a small target, better to waste part of your DPM potential rather than waste en entire salvo. Fire 1-2 ranging shots if you have to, but at long range the travel time is so long you're going to be mostly reloaded by the time the shells land anyways, so don't wait until they actually land, watch their trajectory and your target, and fire the rest based on what you see when they're maybe half-way there.

 

Extra: Don't be that guy that sits in gunnery view all the time. Watching your shells won't make them any more well behaved. Take your shot, pop back out, pop back in once they're about to land. You can use your reload timers in combination with the travel time given to you by the all mighty Alt-key to know when it's time.

 

 

 

 

[Ribba]

usualy remember if its max range, do fast break (aka stop/full break) and press q or e a few times here and there they will miss 99% of the time, thats what i do when i see shells going towards me, also need to learn reload times to get breaks just before their shells go out of the gun to evade second barrage (ok this is a super trick what i use to surive long battles )

 

heres a picture of what i do

 

Is the shells velocity that wrong in this game compared to reality?

 

Because in reality, the flight time would about over twice the time. The velocity of the shells on battleships was usually between 700-900 m/s when they exit the barrel. At 800 m/s, the shell would use 25 seconds to travel 20 km. And since you have gravity, which always pulls the shell downwards at 9.8 m/s, you will have to shoot the shells to a hight of about 250 meters. And since this is not in a vacuum there will be drag which will decrease the velocity of the shell, which again means you have to make the shell go even higher to hit a target at 20 km. 

 

So in reality, the shell has to travel much longer then 20 km to it's target, and that with a lower velocity. So the flight time of a shell would be far, far beyond the 13 seconds.

[Conte_Vincero]

Try to make sure that your ship is pointing towards or away from them. A lot of people struggle to hit a ship if it is sailing almost towards or away from them, and it mucks up their lead. Just turn towards them until your stern guns are almost unable to fire and then turn away until your bow guns are almost unable. This is best employed in cruisers as they have the maneuverability to make this work best, but can work in BBs as well.

[PBC_Bullet]

Aim mod think that's what I need might actually hit something then

 

[Zenith]

Aim mod think that's what I need might actually hit something then

 

If you use that, then you'll never learn to aim, and once the mod gets nuked by the devs... well, then you're really going to struggle.