Georgia OP

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

 

 

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

My only question is why cant Conq have guns like this, Georgia does look juicy though

[Miragetank90]

Just now, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

My only question is why cant Conq have guns like this

 

What do you mean? You have the option of 8 457s that are better than those mounted on the Georgia

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

2 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

 

What do you mean? You have the option of 8 457s that are better than those mounted on the Georgia

457s on conq dont pen like the georgia seems to. I think its the fuse or summin

[Allied_Winter]

Just now, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

seems to

There you have it... 

 

Apart from that ... the ship is currently in TESTING ... so subject to change on oh so many levels.

[thiextar]

guy in the video: "this thing has six yamato size guns". No it doesnt, theres a world of difference between 457mm and 460mm guns, you cant overmatch 32mm of armor in 457's

 

Anyways, i get that its supposed to have good accuracy, but im really not sure how its supposed to stack up against the musashi, which has 9 bigger guns with same reload which can overmatch 32mm of armor....

 

[Yedwy]

MBRB? 

[Miscommunication_dept]

Notser doesn't seem that impressed with it.

 

He mentioned something about Graf Spee dispersion at closer ranges and it did look ok at close range.

From what I've seen the Iowa is probably better.

 

[fumtu]

2 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Notser doesn't seem that impressed with it.

 

Neither was Flamu. Sure he had some good games but generally Georgia seems lacking. In one of my games today I had Angelstone from TWA in team and he was driving Georgia. He ended first by XP (2.3k) and kills (3) but it was a weird game and Angelstone is a really good player so I can't tell how much it was to ship quality and how much to player skills.

[cracktrackflak]

I wonder why they don't just upgrade all the 457s in the game to 460.

 

That would make Conq, Georgia and the others relevant as big gun ships, and might produce a better/different game dynamic at top tier.

[fumtu]

16 minutes ago, cracktrackflak said:

I wonder why they don't just upgrade all the 457s in the game to 460.

 

That would make Conq, Georgia and the others relevant as big gun ships, and might produce a better/different game dynamic at top tier.

 

Because WG said that Yamato, and her sister Musashi of course, will be the only ships in the game with guns that could overmatch 32mm. Also US and RN tested/used 18inch guns or 457mm guns. That's why.

[thiextar]

20 minutes ago, cracktrackflak said:

I wonder why they don't just upgrade all the 457s in the game to 460.

 

That would make Conq, Georgia and the others relevant as big gun ships, and might produce a better/different game dynamic at top tier.

Because that would remove the yamatos speciality.

[CptBarney]

Just now, fumtu said:

 

Because WG said that Yamato, and her sister Musashi of course, will be the only ships in the game with guns that could overmatch 32mm. Also US and RN tested/used 18inch guns or 457mm guns. That's why.

Untill they add ships with bigger calibers of course real or imagined.

 

Not that i would care.

[Azalgor]

1 hour ago, CptBarney said:

Untill they add ships with bigger calibers of course real or imagined

H-44 for tier 11

[Flavio1997]

From the videos i have seen its  seems still lacking, even with graf dispersion and 1.8 sigma. Give it a 2.0-2.1 sigma and it might work. Right know there is no reason to take the georgia over any other  tier 9 bbs, let alone the musashi

[Aotearas]

To be honest I can't really think of anything that could make a 3x2 457mm weapons platform work within the current game/gun mechanics that wouldn't turn her bonafide overpowered or make everyone shake their heads thinking "not even RU BB 30 seconds turret traverse is THAT ludicrous".

 

• Too little broadside weight to deal significant damage to without landing citadels (and even then, the damage wouldn't compared to an equally solid hit with a ship with a heavier broadside weight landing citadels).
• No 32mm overmatch meaning the effective damage against BBs will drop sharply to the point of insignificance against angling BBs.
• Can't make her much more accurate to give her a higher effective hit ratio to make up her lacking broadside weight because that would just disproportionally f*ck cruisers which get overmatched and have much less protected citadels compared to BBs.
• Can't give her a ridiculous rpm because US engineering didn't run on vodka-fueled Gulag anxiety if blueprints didn't please good ole' Stalin.
• Can't even go the other way and make her ridiculously tanky with HP and armour values because again, US engineering didn't run on panic pierogis to please the polit bureau and Big S.

 

Only way to make her a halfway competitive ship in her tier bracket that people would want to play is for WG to go pack it chockful with gimmick consumables and even then it would be a meh-bote for the entire duration of a match whenever you're not using the gimmicks right then.

 

Thing looks like a dead-end.

[HaachamaShipping]

7 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

To be honest I can't really think of anything that could make a 3x2 457mm weapons platform work within the current game/gun mechanics that wouldn't turn her bonafide overpowered or make everyone shake their heads thinking "not even RU BB 30 seconds turret traverse is THAT ludicrous".

How about... improved pen angles? That'd be special needs no great changes on the basic gun stats and it's something "American-flavoured" in the game.

 

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Is that ludicrous enough? It might just be enough to the point it could be from WG.

 

[DFens_666]

Meh?

 

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Seems kinda squishy to me

Damage he dealt to me was mostly insignificant too.

[EgyptOverseer]

2 hours ago, gopher31 said:

From what I've seen the Iowa is probably better.

 

Your statement is impossible. The Iowa can't be better than any other T9 BB. I would rather have an FdG with a single turret than an Iowa, but my hatred for the frustration the Iowa brought to me may make me biased though.

[Aotearas]

40 minutes ago, Seiranko said:

How about... improved pen angles? That'd be special needs no great changes on the basic gun stats and it's something "American-flavoured" in the game.

 

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Is that ludicrous enough? It might just be enough to the point it could be from WG.

 

Would make cruisers suffer disproportionally.

 

Even with improved penetration angles BBs could still angle against a Georgia with little difficulty as long as they don't do it halfarsedly. Meanwhile tough luck catching citadels at ridiculous angles in a cruiser getting your hull overmatched and then having 457mm AP biting into the internal citadel plating with improved penetration angles.

Internal armour angling to minimize BB AP hits to only regular pens by bouncing them on your citadel plating would become ineffective considering how much better the penetration angles would have to be to make a noticable difference against BBs.

 

Georgia would still be bad against BBs, just sh*t on cruisers even harder with lolcits.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 minute ago, Aotearas said:

Would make cruisers suffered dispropotionally.

Even with improved penetration angles BBs could still angle against a Georgia with little difficulty as long as they don't do it halfarsedly. Meanwhile tough luck catching citadels at ridiculous angles in a cruiser getting your hull overmatched and then having 457mm AP biting into the internal citadel plating with improved penetration angles. Internal armour angling to minimize BB AP hits to only regular pens by bouncing them on your citadel plating would become ineffective considering how much better the pentration angles would have to be to make a noticable difference against BBs.

Look, 457 mm is basically a "F**k cruisers" caliber. I can see the annoyance at getting a cruiser counter, but this ship was only ever going to turn out one way with that gun caliber and to think it'd turn out any other way would be silly. The basic configuration of the ship dictates its role. And cruiser-killing is, kind of, one of the usual BB roles.

 

Also, while perfectly angled BBs still get away, random battles are the kind of messy environment where you hardly ever see a perfect bow-in target, unless they only got you to fight, had time to prepare and are actually competent at the game. That's already three big ifs for your average random battle player.

[Aotearas]

12 minutes ago, Seiranko said:

Look, 457 mm is basically a "F**k cruisers" caliber. I can see the annoyance at getting a cruiser counter, but this ship was only ever going to turn out one way with that gun caliber and to think it'd turn out any other way would be silly. The basic configuration of the ship dictates its role. And cruiser-killing is, kind of, one of the usual BB roles.

And what makes the Georgia attractive compared to other BBs so people would want her?

 

Between BBs that will shrek cruisers as BBs do and have a lot more broadside weight to put the hurt on other BBs and a BB that can basically only shrek cruisers lacking the broadside weight to do comparable damage to BBs, which would you prefer to play?

At the same tier we have the Missouri with its 3x3 406mm and radar. We have the Musashi with its 3x3 460mm overmatch monsters. And we have the Jean Bart with its 2x4 380mm with MBRB. Out of those only the Jean Bart will not crap as consistently on cruisers since some actually have the hull plating to bounce 380mm AP shells, but in return with the MBRB she can deal a ludicrous amount of damage to opportune BB sides.

 

Gamebalancing wise 3x2 is simply not enough shells for tier IX (hell, even at tier VII 3x2 380mm guns only work on the Gneisenau because the ship is such an amazing basis to compensate the lack of broadside weight (and german dispersion on top)) to compete with other BBs and as soon as you buff her guns enough for her to be decent against BBs you just made her a nightmare for cruisers beyond what BBs already do to cruisers. That's just poor and frankly unimaginative design.

 

Your mileage may vary but personally I see no point in having the Georgia be the BB version Asashio one-trick pony.

 

 

 

Also, I think I made it quite clear that I'm not expecting the Georgia to turn out anything but a dead-end that's either going to get scrapped or gimmicks shoehorned to make up for the lacklustre gun configuration.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 minute ago, Aotearas said:

And what makes the Georgia attractive compared to other BBs so people would want her?

Well, some people just like killing cruisers. I personally couldn't care less, I don't have much interest in high tier USN BB premiums, even if they are good. My suggestion was basically aimed at bringing in something that seems not too outlandish, yet can have very brutal (and for targets frustrating) consequences, given Georgia already has intermediate dispersion and with a hard-hitting shell and improved pen angles, it might citadel snipe pretty hard, especially as soon as it has distracted targets. Is it something terribly great? Likely not. Maybe it doesn't even work. It wasn't yet tested (though I know from Hood and Alaska that improved pen angles on large caliber AP can be pretty silly, though these two ships aren't even high pen). But we could also just add a 2.65 sigma to the pen angles, maybe that helps.

9 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Your mileage may vary but personally I see no point in having the Georgia be the BB version Asashio one-trick pony.

Georgia has few guns, but can citpen BBs and it likely will not be terrible by BB standard in dealing with DDs, due to the accuracy. It isn't hardcoded into damaging only cruisers with its main weaponry.

[HaachamaShipping]

13 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Gamebalancing wise 3x2 is simply not enough shells for tier IX to compete with other BB

Put it at T8? 

 

[NothingButTheRain]

3 minutes ago, Seiranko said:

Put it at T8? 

 

I do hope this ship makes it in. I've been wondering what purpose this will get. Hoping it's gonna be a FXP ship and will be fun to play while being decent and at least more agile then Iowa 

 

But...I don't know what role this ship is supposed to fill in.