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16 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

I don't know how cvs are today I fell out in the way, but a squadron of swordfishes with a single 3 km torp, one at a time seems extremely meh.

If swordfishes will be featuring in this game they have to go against Bismarck, and that is t8.

Yeah, Swordfishes are on the T4 hermes as bombers (sigh... WG....). They drop 1 set of spread-bombs-HE-things.

At T6 you get 3 "two plane drop" of torpedoes (3x2). So instead, give Swordfishes torps and make that 3 "3 or 4 plane drops" (3x3 or 3x4).

 

16 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

As you mention, being slow could be an advantage against AA, but not against the current AA in game...and there are other planes in game, MM will put you against other cv.

They can buff them however they want... as in: add dispersion on Swordfish, or make them super-resistant, or everything overpen....

 

16 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

If this would happen IRL swordfishes wouldn't do what they did. After all  they were already a blast of the past, in that time.

Yeah it was a show of bravery and coincidence coming together.

 

16 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

perhaps make more than that.

Make swordfishes t4 planes like they were (slow, fragile) but with the new gameplay pre nerfed hakurio? torps? or something similar to that?.

I demand SWORDFISH torpedo planes... else it's kinda MEH... I'm sure they CAN fix it up if they want it.

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22 hours ago, Tyrendian89 said:

top five?

5. Dido

4. Dido

3. Dido

2. Dido

1. ditto Didoooooooooo

 

Definitely

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10 hours ago, Yedwy said:

County classes 

WG have indicated we are going to get HMAS Australia. Maybe a parallel RN one too, Dorsetshire probably most famous but maybe London could be a tier higher as she was upgraded. 

Hard to see Hawkins being T6 material.

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39 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Unless they can think of something fun to do with Renown. 

T6 - Warspite guns, much faster and very fragile. 

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26 minutes ago, gustywinds said:

WG have indicated we are going to get HMAS Australia. Maybe a parallel RN one too, Dorsetshire probably most famous but maybe London could be a tier higher as she was upgraded. 

I'm in for that. 'stralia was an upgraded County so she would have some armour - a Canberra - more guns and less armour than Exeter - would be a bit painful.  For the RN I'd like a Norfolk, as she was the most prominent County and could well be a tester for an RN Radar cruiser line. 

 

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23 hours ago, fumtu said:

 

What we need is T7 RN BB. We don't have enough T7 RN BBs.

Yes, we definitely need one, at tier 7.

 

And +1 for HMS Tiger provided it's not another dud like PEF is :Smile_hiding:

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Seydlitz. With 15 cm triples as planned.

 

Tosa. Dunno what configuration they go for, but can we get maybe an IJN BB that actually makes sense to spec into secondaries?

 

Any Asashio-class, but with sensible torpedo armament, so I can forget Asashio represents that class in its entirety.

 

Though after how WG seems to handle the premiums I wished for in the past (Asashio, Viribus Unitis), I don't know if I actually want to make wishes.

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On 4/2/2019 at 9:26 PM, invicta2012 said:

:cap_wander: I think we have all the TVII RN BBs we need. Unless they can think of something fun to do with Renown.

 

But we need moooooooooooooooooooore T7 RN BB.

 

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There were three Conti Di Cavours, and I would think about Andrea Doria as the VI, but I guess we don't want to start the whole GC thing up again. I will let this one drop! 

 

Leonardo Da Vinci was never modernized simple because it was sunk in 1916. Original Conte Di Cavour class very interesting in it own way with 13 guns in five turrets. So Leonardo would be way better as premium that will represent class in its original state. Also we could get GC as Soviet premium BB in the form of Novorissiysk. I don't see any reason to put make Italian premium BB which is just copy-paste of already existing premium ship. Conte Di Cavour should be a regular T5 Italian BB with Andrea Doria as regular T6.

 

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Can I swap it for HMS Cavalier at Tier VII instead?

 

I can support that .... as long as she is a T7 :Smile_great:

 

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The planes had radar. That's how they found the Bismarck. Imagine the hilarity that would ensue. 

 

Yea ... how about no. No radar planes. WG removed RPF as skill for CV captains because it was too powerful, why do you think that radar would be better idea. 

 

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How about Krasnyi Kavkaz? She's a Tier V Russian CL with Molotov's guns (but only four of them), but actually has some armour (same set up as Krasny Krym). Either that or USS Richmond - Omaha with a Spotter plane and AA. Because what this game needs is more Omahas, basically, and that would be number 6. And because Richmond was a flagship and took part in one of the most obscure parts of WW2 (the Battle of the Komondorski Islands). 

 

With just 4 guns Krasny Kavkav could be T4, T5 is way too high for her. Omaha is way to squishy, T6 is way out of her possibilities even with spotter plane. I don't have anything against more premium Omahas, although I personally would never buy one, but she is a T5 ship and that is where all should stay. 

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12 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

HMS Cavalier

 

Nah, It's not like WG have heard of that ship or spent lots of money producing fancy videos with a famous presenter.

 

Oh wait...

 

 

 

 

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On ‎4‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 8:55 PM, BLUB__BLUB said:

Yeah, Swordfishes are on the T4 hermes as bombers (sigh... WG....). They drop 1 set of spread-bombs-HE-things.

At T6 you get 3 "two plane drop" of torpedoes (3x2). So instead, give Swordfishes torps and make that 3 "3 or 4 plane drops" (3x3 or 3x4).

 

They can buff them however they want... as in: add dispersion on Swordfish, or make them super-resistant, or everything overpen....

 

Yeah it was a show of bravery and coincidence coming together.

 

I demand SWORDFISH torpedo planes... else it's kinda MEH... I'm sure they CAN fix it up if they want it.

 

Yes, it was epic, but not always the fortune favour the bold.

Both sides deserved to win that battle. But if you ask me Bismarck really, really deserved to win (by wining I mean reach the protection of Luftwaffe, and almost made it). It would be a greater Museum than the coral reef that it is for the fishes . 

But I'm with you. WG should put Swordfishes vs Bismarck. As it happens with Hood, Nelson (Rodney's sister ship), King George V ( Prince of Wales sister ship), Exeter (new York class), Ajax, Achilles (both were Leanders), Graf Spee (Graf Spee actually won the engagement, but lost only to diplomacy and intelligence).

If Hermes is t4 that's never gonna happen.

IRL, swordfishes were considered obsolete before the IIWW. Despite being in the frontline until practically the end I bet that their use were very limited, like when they knew that wouldn't be enemy fighters or something.

IRL, the swordfishes hit the mark thanks to three things:

Being slow

the ability to fly really low

being able to soak a lot of damage (one of the swordfishes sustain over 300 hits, it's canvas was worse than a Swiss cheese)

But there's a lot to work around ( a lot of balance to do,  around other ships, around planes and so on).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

Despite being in the frontline until practically the end I bet that their use were very limited, like when they knew that wouldn't be enemy fighters or something

Sinking submarines. The Swordfish was withdrawn as a front line torpedo plane in 1942 after the Channel Dash, but found a second life when Atlantic convoys got escort carriers like the Bogue. There was no other plane as good as getting off (or on) a small pitching deck in mid Atlantic, and no land based alternative which could carry rockets and radar into that area of the ocean. 

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On ‎4‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 10:34 PM, pzkpfwv1d said:

The only ones I really agree with are HMS Tiger and HMS Ark Royal

I sense a bit of UK bias there...

 

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my preference

HMS Dido
HMS Sirius 

HMS Bonaventure
HMS Hermoine 
HMS Black Prince

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1 hour ago, Exohoritis said:

I sense a bit of UK bias there...

Most likely due to the German ships almost all being in game, and the IJN too. 

Bismarck/Gneisenau/Graf Spee/Tirpitz... you name it.

Kongo/ Yamato/Musashi... even Mikasa. The British legends are missing. 

They had far more ships in real life too, so it makes sense. 

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2 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

Sinking submarines. The Swordfish was withdrawn as a front line torpedo plane in 1942 after the Channel Dash, but found a second life when Atlantic convoys got escort carriers like the Bogue. There was no other plane as good as getting off (or on) a small pitching deck in mid Atlantic, and no land based alternative which could carry rockets and radar into that area of the ocean. 

I can see a future consumable coming on... when we get subs. 

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12 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

But if you ask me Bismarck really, really deserved to win (by wining I mean reach the protection of Luftwaffe, and almost made it). It would be a greater Museum than the coral reef that it is for the fishes .

 

It is questionable if Bismarck "deserved" to win. Why it deserved, why didn't British deserved to sunk it as they did? But even if Bismarck did survive that battle, probability that it will survive the war especial if you consider how much effort British put into sinking its sister, Tirpitz, would be very slim. And even if it survived the war, probability that it would be make into museum ship is even lower. All ships captured by Allies were allotted via lottery. If Bismarck was given to US, there is great probability that it would be nuked just like Nagato and Prinz Eugene were, and it would probably be sold to scrap if ended in some others hand.

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On 4/3/2019 at 8:51 AM, fumtu said:

Also we could get GC as Soviet premium BB in the form of Arkhangelsk

Arkhangelsk was HMS Royal Sovereign, GC was named Novorossiysk.

 

Arkhangelsk could be a good T5 with the unique feature that it’s turrets dont rotate ;)

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2 minutes ago, gustywinds said:

Arkhangelsk was HMS Royal Sovereign, GC was named Novorossiysk.

 

My mistake, thanks for correction.

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2 hours ago, fumtu said:

It is questionable if Bismarck "deserved" to win. Why it deserved, why didn't British deserved to sunk it as they did? But even if Bismarck did survive that battle, probability that it will survive the war especial if you consider how much effort British put into sinking its sister, Tirpitz, would be very slim. And even if it survived the war, probability that it would be make into museum ship is even lower. All ships captured by Allies were allotted via lottery. If Bismarck was given to US, there is great probability that it would be nuked just like Nagato and Prinz Eugene were, and it would probably be sold to scrap if ended in some others hand.

Very likely scenario. Plus in the rest of the war, Nonkel Dolf would have let her rot in some fjord or something.

Instead of becoming the legend, it would have become the reef. 

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On 4/3/2019 at 8:51 AM, fumtu said:

With just 4 guns Krasny Kavkaz could be T4,

They're the prototype guns for Kirov and Molotov. Buff her reload time to 10 seconds, give her a late GPW AA/secondary loadout - better than Krasny Krym - and she'd be great fun. The Admiral Nakhimov class are a little bigger, a little faster, much better armoured than Kirov et al, and I'd buy it....

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10 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

They're the prototype guns for Kirov and Molotov. Buff her reload time to 10 seconds, give her a late GPW AA/secondary loadout - better than Krasny Krym - and she'd be great fun. The Admiral Nakhimov class are a little bigger, a little faster, much better armoured than Kirov et al, and I'd buy it....

 

Still only 4 guns in four turrets. Kirov on the same tier has 9 of them. 180mm at T5 doesn't overmatch anything that 152mm can't. Those with 10mm bow could be overmatched by Omaha or Konigsberg, for 13mm you need 203mm. Even with 10sec reload, DPM would be bad. With 2.5k HE damage Krasny Kavkaz would have 60k HE DPM. For example Kirov have 99k, Furutaka has less, 53.46k but Furutaka has great dispersion and 6 guns. Even more important Furutaka has 4 guns front compared to only two of Krasny Kavkaz which means if KK ever find in situation where he couldn't bring it's back turrets it would struggle. Also dispersion with single guns turrets wouldn't be great. This will be even worse in T7 MM. I don't see how Krasny Kavkaz could be fitted at T5.

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On 4/5/2019 at 8:27 AM, fumtu said:

I don't see how Krasny Kavkaz could be fitted at T5.

It would be fun finding out. She could make a versatile AA ship, too: she ended WW2 with much better AA than the Krispy Krym.

 

Oh well. Have been renting the Boise this weekend and I am enjoying her playstyle. Quite different to Helena, especially with the heal and more natural hydro dynamics (she loses speed fast in a turn, which is good for dodging).  Good AA, too. Which got me thinking about a CA version - the Tuscaloosa?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Tuscaloosa_(CA-37)

 

Historically she's quite interesting - spent most of her war in the Atlantic, unlike more of her sisters, which gives some nice bespoke camo options - and being a slightly different design to the New Orleans (lighter, faster traversing guns) there's room for some variations. A bit less focus on radar than Indianapolis.

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On 4/6/2019 at 6:06 PM, invicta2012 said:

It would be fun finding out. She could make a versatile AA ship, too: she ended WW2 with much better AA than the Krispy Krym.

 

Still in the games without CV it will lose its strength and rely only on four guns. And it would be too powerful AA for T4 CV but maybe still not enough for T6 CV. Make her T4 with good AA and decent guns.  Its prewar version would fit at T4 quite nicely.

 

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Oh well. Have been renting the Boise this weekend and I am enjoying her playstyle. Quite different to Helena, especially with the heal and more natural hydro dynamics (she loses speed fast in a turn, which is good for dodging).  Good AA, too.

 

Boise is a great ship. Heal give her so much utility. AA is decent but Helena is better.

 

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Which got me thinking about a CA version - the Tuscaloosa?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Tuscaloosa_(CA-37)

 

Historically she's quite interesting - spent most of her war in the Atlantic, unlike more of her sisters, which gives some nice bespoke camo options - and being a slightly different design to the New Orleans (lighter, faster traversing guns) there's room for some variations. A bit less focus on radar than Indianapolis.

 

And what would be difference with New Orleans? Heal for slower reload? First I think that if there is one cruisers from NO class that should be added as premium that cruiser should be USS San Francisco just due her history (17 battle stars, the second most decorated cruiser and the third most decorated ship in the USN). 1942 version of Frisco, with weaker AA, 15sec reload but with heal and maybe something else could be a good premium.

 

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A few that people might want to consider for the various tech trees as follows: - 

 

Minor European tech tree - Improved Tegetthof - 24500t, 21kn, 10 35cm guns, 14 5.9" guns, 20 3.5" guns, (12 on AA mounts)

Pan American tech tree - Riacguelo - 30500t, 22.5kn, 8 x15in, 14 x 6in, 10 x 4in, 4 x 3 in AA and 4 x 47mm

German tech tree - Sachsen (1918) - 28345t, 21.5kn, 8 x 15in, 16 x 5.9in, 8 x 3.5in AA

German tech tree - Ersatz Yorck (1918) - 33000t, 27.25kn, 8 x 15in, 12 x 5.9in, 8 x 3.5" AA

German tech tree - L20A (1919) 43800t, 26kn, 8 x 16.5", 12 x 5.9", 8 x 3.5" AA

Pan Amercian tech tree - Almirante Latorre (HMS Canada) and Almirante Cochrane (as designed not as HMS Eagle) (1913), 28600t, 22.75kn, 10 14in, 16 6in, 2 3in AA

Italian tech tree - Caracciolo (1915) - 31400t, 28kn, 8x 15", 12 x 6", 8 x 4", 12 x 40mm AA

Japanese tech tree - N13 class (cancelled 1923) - 47500t, 30kn, 8 x 18", 16 x 5.5", 8 x 4.7" AA plus 8 x 24" torpedo tubes 

Minor European tech tree - Germania (Netherlands) 1914 - 24605t, 22kn, 8 x 14", 16 x 5.9", 12 x 75mm

Minor European tech tree - projected battlecruiser Netherlands - 27950t, 34kn, 9 x 11", 12 x 4.7", 14 x 40mm AA

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On 4/4/2019 at 12:32 PM, BLUB__BLUB said:

I can see a future consumable coming on... when we get subs. 

 

And support CV....

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