Not tolerating abuse, sexism, racism, homophobia in game chat. Community needs to work harder.

[PassTheSalt]

Toxicity is so easy when you're behind an avatar with nothing to fear, we all see it in game and it is not acceptable.

 

I tend to argue back and report when I see it but feel fairly powerless to actually stem this unacceptable hate.

 

Guy in a game just now was spewing hate, using gay as an insult and I called him out on it and reported it, my performance that battle was underwhelming but I walked out of it with +2 karma; I've no clue if that was for my stance or

 because those giving karma were represented but I'm damn sure a significant proportion of this community are LGBTQ+ and should not be subject to abuse directly or indirectly.

 

We are better than this.

 

Toxicity in game is either encouraged or discouraged by the players, don't be an arsehole.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

I think that they get away with it because the big gaming companies like WG don't really give a crap, i was watching a YouTube vid once about this, (albeit a totally different game) and one top player, virtually wiled the other player to commit suicide in real life, and that was at a live event.

 

 

The salt in games is very real.

[lafeel]

A good place to start is by not  using any of this yourself.

 

Don't respond to it either. Report in game (or to CS if they take it far enough) and move on.

[thiextar]

Honestly, who cares? Id rather have the employees that wargaming would put on stopping "hate" doing something actually important, like fixing the ui. Wargaming has limited resources, they cant combat chat abuse for free, and honestly, id rather the money i spend on the game goes into serbs private duck-pond than into uselessly trying to stop mouthy people in the chat.

 

Honestly, its the internet, everything everyone has ever thought is on here unfiltered unaltered, if you are gonna get offended by all of it, you are gonna have a really bad time. Surely you cant be hurt by something some random bloke says in a videogame chat, no matter how offensive it is.

 

Just grow a pair and ignore them, its pointless to waste resource into fixing something which has no impact on anything.

 

EDIT: Also, something that helps, pretend that the dude insulting you is some 200kg dude called chuck, who lives in his moms basement. Works for me

[PassTheSalt]

14 minutes ago, thiextar said:

Honestly, who cares? Id rather have the employees that wargaming would put on stopping "hate" doing something actually important, like fixing the ui. Wargaming has limited resources, they cant combat chat abuse for free, and honestly, id rather the money i spend on the game goes into serbs private duck-pond than into uselessly trying to stop mouthy people in the chat.

 

Honestly, its the internet, everything everyone has ever thought is on here unfiltered unaltered, if you are gonna get offended by all of it, you are gonna have a really bad time. Surely you cant be hurt by something some random bloke says in a videogame chat, no matter how offensive it is.

 

Just grow a pair and ignore them, its pointless to waste resource into fixing something which has no impact on anything.

 

EDIT: Also, something that helps, pretend that the dude insulting you is some 200kg dude called chuck, who lives in his moms basement. Works for me

accepting hate is a poor choice for a weak mind.

[thiextar]

1 minute ago, PassTheSalt said:

accepting hate is a poor choice for a weak mind.

Its not about accepting hate, rather ignoring it and letting it drown out, if you let it get to you, the hater wins.

 

And in a more realistic way to look at it, there is no way of fixing it, it is impossible:

 

No matter how good chat-filters you develop, people will find a way around them.

 

If you make the "misbehaviour in chat" report more powerful, people will abuse it to chat ban people they dont like.

 

Only solution i can think of is wargaming manually going through each and every chat report, which just isnt realistic.

 

Honestly, the internet isnt a place for the easily offended, and i hope that it never becomes it. The only way to make the internet not be offensive, would be with so much filtering, rules and censoring, that there would be nothing free left of the internet, we might aswell live in the soviet union at that point.

[Aragathor]

As long as WG has the useless report system with karma to hide behind, don't expect anything to happen. And let's not fool ourselves, the people you are really addressing won't read this thread.

[JohnMac79]

8 minutes ago, PassTheSalt said:

accepting hate is a poor choice for a weak mind.

Everything is ‘hate’ these days according to fragile snowflakes. There is a mute button. Use it.

 

The real weak minds are the people bothered about it in a video game where a mute button exists.

[PassTheSalt]

failing to speak out is acceptance, sorry but you're wrong.

[PassTheSalt]

to be a better community, positive action is required.

[thiextar]

Just now, PassTheSalt said:

failing to speak out is acceptance, sorry but you're wrong.

Then exhaust yourself all you want arguing with them, personally i dont see the point.

[PassTheSalt]

1 minute ago, thiextar said:

Then exhaust yourself all you want arguing with them, personally i dont see the point.

I want to make our community better, that is the point.

[DFens_666]

If its really going over the line, report them to customer support.

Otherwise, if someone is just being salty, i ignore it. But some people never stop (go on by messaging in port f.e.), and they might start with some imaginary RL threats (i know where you live blablubb). Then i send screens + replay to WG, hope they ban him for a while. If he does it again, and gets reported again, maybe they ban him totaly or for a longer time.

But if someone says "fag/[edited]/gay" i dont really care... There is no need for WG to go through the daily insults in every match, that would certainly be too much for them

[thiextar]

Just now, PassTheSalt said:

to be a better community, positive action is required.

What action exactly? Suggest something realistic that has a snowballs chance in 10 million degrees C of working.

[PassTheSalt]

Just now, thiextar said:

What action exactly? Suggest something realistic that has a snowballs chance in 10 million degrees C of working.

it's quite simple, don't be an arse ;)

[JohnMac79]

1 minute ago, PassTheSalt said:

to be a better community, positive action is required.

What action would you like to see exactly? Who defines hate? Its a slippery slope...

[thiextar]

Just now, PassTheSalt said:

it's quite simple, don't be an arse ;)

Great! Im convinced, but i dont think the same can be said for the rest of the warships playerbase ;)

[PassTheSalt]

people bemoan how more salty the game is now than year 1, that is in our hands, be civil, don't use abuse, don't accept hatered.

[JohnMac79]

Just now, PassTheSalt said:

people bemoan how more salty the game is now than year 1, that is in our hands, be civil, don't use abuse, don't accept hatered.

But people will be arsey. So again, what is your solution? What is this positive action? Who defines hatred? Why is the mute button not utilised on people they dont wish to listen to?

[El2aZeR]

Customer Support already deals with toxicity if you report it. More you cannot expect out of any developer.

As for the community, here's the harsh truth:

Quite frankly being toxic only has personal benefits while being nice has no effect at all. There are extremely few games where it is the other way around and WoWs certainly isn't one of them.

if you want to brand me guilty by association, fine. But

 

 

I would also very much doubt that the LGBTQ+ community in this game is anywhere near significance. I'd be extremely surprised if they exceed the number of females playing this game and percentages of female population playing shooters in general is usually found in the low single digits.

Doesn't mean they don't exist, but to call them significant is a stretch to say the least.

[thiextar]

Also as stated by johnmac above, this is a very slippery slope.

 

What is hate? Is it something that offends someone? What if i have a political opinion that offends people, is this hate? should this be filtered? 

 

What if there is something on the internet that i dont agree with? It offends me so is it hate? If im in a high up position, can i remove it?

 

Filtering and censoring is a very very dangerous slippery slope with an extreme risk of incredibly dangerous worst-case scenarios, far outweighing any benefit of a working censorship system.

 

 

 

[PassTheSalt]

I'm not asking for WG intervention, I'm asking for all of us to be a little bit better. for every toxic comment you make in chat (hate or not) you make it OK for others. be better gamers.

[PassTheSalt]

3 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Customer Support already deals with toxicity if you report it. More you cannot expect out of any developer.

As for the community, here's the harsh truth:

Quite frankly being toxic only has personal benefits while being nice has no effect at all. There are extremely few games where it is the other way around and WoWs certainly isn't one of them.

if you want to brand me guilty by association, fine. But

 

 

I would also very much doubt that the LGBTQ+ community in this game is anywhere near significance. I'd be extremely surprised if they exceed the number of females playing this game and percentages of female population playing shooters in general is usually found in the low single digits.

Doesn't mean they don't exist, but to call them significant is a stretch to say the least.

does that make hate towards them ok because they are a small number?

[JohnMac79]

1 minute ago, PassTheSalt said:

I'm not asking for WG intervention, I'm asking for all of us to be a little bit better. for every toxic comment you make in chat (hate or not) you make it OK for others. be better gamers.

Asking for people to be better is a bit like asking for brexit...

[lafeel]

5 minutes ago, thiextar said:

What is hate? Is it something that offends someone? What if i have a political opinion that offends people, is this hate? should this be filtered? 

As this is WG's game, it is WG who decides this, and how to respond to it.