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Commonwealth CA/CL & DD tech tree lines

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Does anyone know if WoWS will ever have a Commonwealth CA/CL & DD tech tree lines?

 Are there enough ships (either clones or unique ship builds) for these lines? 

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Commonwealth nations used much the same vessels as the Royal Navy itself, the ships that represent the Commonwealth nations ingame seem to exist more because those individual vessels are notable or are slight modifications of their class (such as HMAS Perth being a slightly modified Leander). I don't think you'll find many vessels in the RCN, RAN, RNZN or RIN that are unique ship classes, at least not in classes of Destroyer or Cruiser, they used what was provided by the Admiralty.

 

Ships like the RANs Perth and the RCNs HMCS Saguenay are the closest you'll get to unique ships for the commonwealth nations as they are modified versions of ship classes that made up the RN.

 

A Commonwealth ship tree would unfortunately be clones of what would appear in the UK tree.

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On 3/24/2019 at 7:42 PM, Astolfo_Is_My_Waifu said:

A Commonwealth ship tree would unfortunately be clones of what would appear in the UK tree.

True, ish. There are already lots of repeated designs in the game - Haida and Cossack, Valkyrie, Vampire and Wakeful - and it's amazing how differently these ships play, depending on how they are balanced and the consumables they have. You can also make a Commonwealth line with a minimum of repetition. Like this....

 

Tier II - HMAS Tasmania.

 

Admiralty Designed S Class Destroyer. The S Class were mid-WW1 designs, built to be quick, cheap and easier to produce than the heavier V and W class Destroyers such as HMS Vampire. 

 

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Displacement - 1000 tons (approx)

Speed - 32 knots

Armament -  3 x 1 centreline QF Mk IV 4 inch guns, reload time 5s,

2 x 2 21 inch torpedo tubes, range 5.5k on 45 second reload

 

The S class came in three different formats depending on which yard was building the ship. As an Admiralty standard design, which could be built by any competent shipyard, Tasmania was a lower quality vessel than those built by specialist builders. For a Tier II she is quite a large vessel, giving her the characteristic low tier Commonwealth style - more durable than same-Tier opposition, but with weaker concealment and manoeuvrability.  A quirk of the Admiralty S-class design had two 18 inch torpedo tubes under the bridge of the ship, which were wire controlled by the ship's commanding officer (the canvas covers for the torpedo vents are visible on the picture above).

 

Specialist builder S class types used fixed tubes, firing at right angles to the ship's course (a recipe for teamkilling in WoWs) but the Admiralty types had trainable tubes. Not wanting to bend history, of course, but for amusement value WG could replicate these, giving 2 x 1 Torps firing forwards (ish) and 1 x 2 with a 360 rotation, allowing the "jousting" gameplay of a V-25.

 

She also receives the Commonwealth speciality - a "creeping" smoke screen, a long action time consumable which creates a series of short radius, short duration "puffs" of smoke, allowing the Destroyer to remain undetected while moving below 15 knots. Players of Perth and Haida will be familiar with this. 

 

Tier III - HMCS Vancouver.

 

Confusingly, the Royal Navy launched a V-class destroyer in 1917 called HMS Vancouver. This isn't it. HMCS Vancouver was launched as a Thornycroft Design S Class destroyer called HMS Toreador, and passed over to the Canadian Navy in 1928, when the original Vancouver was renamed HMS Vimy.

 

Thornycroft S class destroyers were built to a higher standard than their Admiralty design S class sisters and so Vancouver is a better all-round package than Tasmania, with much superior speed and handling.

 

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Displacement - 1100 tons (approx)

Speed - 36 knots

Armament -  3 x 1 centreline QF MkIV 4 inch guns, reload time 5s

2 x 2 torpedo tubes, range 6k on 45 second reload

 

Tier IV - HMAS Anzac

 

Built during the first world war as a Destroyer Flotilla Leader, Anzac was the final expression of the Parker-class Destroyer. The Parker Class introduced superfiring guns to RN destroyers, and also benefited from improvements in gun laying and fire control, improving gun range and dispersion compared to Tier II and III destroyers.

 

As a destroyer leader, Anzac is significantly larger than the W class destroyer in the RN line at Tier IV, increasing both her health pool but making her easier to spot. She is - frankly - a bit of a bus. She has a smaller calibre of main gun than her Tier IV RN equivalent, which may cause difficulties against heavily armoured opponents; but her combination of rapid firing main guns, improved range (approx 10.25k) and Commonwealth smoke should be a potent weapon against other ships of her type. She also uses the MkIV RN torpedoes found on HMS Campbeltown, which provide increased range and damage over standard RN torpedoes, albeit on a maximum broadside of 4 torpedoes.

 

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Displacement  - 1600 tons (approx)

Speed - 34 knots

Armament -  4 x QF MkIV 4 inch guns (ABQY), reload time 5s

2 x 2 torpedo tubes firing MkIV torpedoes (range 7k at 57 knots, 60 second reload)

 

Tier V - HMAS Stuart

 

Admiralty designed Scott-class Destroyer Flotilla leader, Stuart was the leader of the 19th Destroyer Division, nicknamed "The Scrap Iron Flotilla" by Nazi propagandists. Commanded by Captain Hector "Hec" Waller, later of HMAS Perth, Stuart served with distinction throughout World War II, leading her flotilla at the battle of Cape Matapan.

 

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The Scott-class were improved Destroyer Leaders building on the success of the Parker class. They introduced the larger 4.7 inch gun which later became the chosen armament for all standard RN destroyers. The BL Mk1 version on Stuart also features on Wakeful, Tier IV in the Royal Navy line and fires rather more slowly than the improved QF versions fitted to later destroyers - however Stuart compensates for this with a heavier broadside and careful aim will be rewarded. She also continues the Commonwealth use of the older MKIV torpedoes, which deliver slightly less damage than her RN contemporaries, but which give her the ability to fire torpedoes while undetected, something that the RN Tier V equivalent, Acasta, is unable to do. 

 

Displacement - 1700 tons

Speed - 34 knots

Armament - 5 x BL MK1 4.7 inch guns in ABQXY config (Reload 8s)

2 x 40mm Pom Pom AA guns

2 x 3 12 inch torpedo tubes firing MkIV torpedoes (range 7.5k at 57 knots, 65 second reload)


Tiers VI to X to come shortly... all pictures from Wikipedia or the RAN archive. Excuse the thread necro, btw:  I've been meaning to write this up for ages!

 

 

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Tier V - Premium? HMCS Skeena

 

Sheena was a punk rocker, but HMCS Skeena and her sister HMCS Sagueney were the first two ships of the Canadian River Class,  and the first two warships built especially for the RCN. They were customised versions of the Royal Navy A Class Destroyer - featured in WoWS as HMS Acasta - and other than adaptations to the superstructure to cope with the harsh Canadian weather, are very similar to the A class in all other respects. While historically significant, Skeena is perhaps too similar to Acasta to be a main line ship. Still, a handsome vessel!

 

Skeena served as convoy escort throughout World War 2, before being wrecked on the Icelandic Coast in 1944. 

 

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Wartime armament:

4 × QF 4.7 inch guns (Reload time, 5 seconds)

1 × QF 12-pounder (3 inch (76 mm)) AA gun
2 x 4 tubes for 21-inch torpedoes (7k range at 59 knots, 90 second reload)

 

Tier VI - HMAS Quality

 

Having spent the 1930s creating ever larger and more powerful destroyer designs, at the start of Second World War the Admiralty was forced to confront the fact that destroyer losses (28 in 1940 alone) were outstripping the speed at which replacements could be built. While US supplied Lend/Lease destroyers provided a stop-gap solution, the Admiralty embarked on the War Emergency Programme of destroyer development, increasing the speed at which ships could be built by standardising design on a common hull and using whatever armaments were available.

 

HMAS Quality, laid down in 1940 and delivered in 1942, formed part of the 3rd Emergency Flotilla. She was based on the hull of the J/K/N class, which makes her larger than her Tier VI RN equivalent, HMS Icarus, with a larger health pool (around 13k).  However cost-cutting measures means she has a lighter torpedo armament, although she retains the improved Commonwealth torpedo range and limited stealth torp capability).  Overall she is a capable and balanced destroyer. Cool camo, too...

 

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Displacement: 2000 tons (approx)

Speed: 36 knots

Armament:     
4 × QF 4.7 inch Mk IX guns (reload time 5s)
1 × 4 2-pdr Pom-Pom AA gun
6 x 20 mm Oerlikon AA guns (2 x 2, 2 x 1)
2 × 4 21 inch torpedo tubes (range 8k at 59 knots, 110 second reload)

 

Tier VII - HMCS Algonquin

 

Originally commissioned as HMS Valentine, a V-Class Destroyer and member of the 8th Emergency Flotilla, the ship was transferred to the RCN in 1944 and renamed HMCS Algonquin. Like all the War Emergency Programme destroyers, Algonquin was based on the J/K/N destroyer hull, but incorporated several significant developments in armament and design. Her main battery was placed in new dual purpose CP MkXXII mounts, whose increased elevation finally gave RN designed destroyer main battery guns an anti-aircraft role. She also received 40mm Bofors AA guns in place of the previously ubiquitous "pom pom" 2pdr guns. Commissioned in 1944, Algonquin had a short but active wartime career: she took part in the D-Day bombardment of the French coast, was active in several actions against Nazi merchant ships off the Norwegian coast. She continued in RCN service after World War 2, finally being decommissioned in 1970.

 

Players of Jervis and Gadjah Mada will find Algonquin comfortable to play, but her armament gives her a different role: her lighter main battery's DP function will enable her to take up more aggressive front-line positions in CV games, while a lighter, long-range torpedo armament (2 x quad tubes with an 8.5k range), effective against all ships, will enable her to punish over-extended enemies.

 

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Displacement: 2100 tons

Speed: 36.5 knots

Armament:
4 × 4.7 in QF Mk IX guns (reload time 4.5s)
2 × 1 40 mm Bofors Mk IV AA guns
3 × 2 20 mm Oerlikon AA guns
2 x 4 21 inch torpedo tubes (range 8.5k at 59 knots, 110 second reload)

 

Tier VII Premium - HMCS Crescent

 

Crescent was built for the Royal Navy as part of the 1944 C-Class / Cr-Class, the 14th and Final War Emergency Flotilla. While still based on the J/K/N class hull, Crescent benefited from new design rapid-firing DP 4.5 inch guns, improved AA control and radar.  In order to accommodate the new radar systems, Crescent had one set of torpedo tubes removed. Unlike the other ships in the Commonwealth line, she is able to slot the DFAA consumable in Slot 3, making her a capable anti-aircraft picket ship. Brave players may also substitute her smoke generator for a short range (7.5k) Radar Consumable in Slot 2.

 

 

 

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Displacement: 2100 tons (approx)

Speed: 35 knots

Armament:

4 × QF MK IV 4.5 inch (reload time 4s)
1 x 4 40 mm Bofors AA guns
3 × 2  20 mm Oerlikon AA guns

1 x 4 21 inch torpedo tubes (8.5k range at 62 knots, 90 second reload)

 

 

 

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And the final stretch....

 

Tier VIII - HMAS Napier

 

Napier was an N-Class Destroyer, commissioned in 1940 and immediately assigned to the Royal Australian Navy. She served with distinction throughout the Second World War, earning six battle honours and was present in Tokyo Bay to witness the Japanese surrender on 2nd September 1945.

 

The N-Class was the most successful and well-balanced Destroyer design to come from the Royal Navy during the 1930s and wartime period, combining a strong main gun armament with a torpedo broadside which far exceeded the capabilities of the more famous Tribal class. Players of Jervis and Gadjah Mada will find Napier familiar; however she combines the strengths of both ships - B and X turrets which can rapidly traverse 360 degrees, a 10 torpedo broadside - with the skills of her Tier (access to the Tier VIII concealment module) and torpedoes which can hit all ships and reach out to 9km. In comparison to her Tier VIII RN equivalent, Lightning, she has significantly weaker AA (her main guns having no DP function) and a slower torpedo reload.

 

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Displacement: 2000 tons (approx)

Speed: 36 knots

Armament: 

3 x 2 4.7 in QF Mk XI guns (reload time 4.5s)
12  × Oerlikon 20mm AA guns (4 x 2, 4 x 1)
2 x 5 21 inch torpedo tubes (range 9k at 62 knots, 120 second reload)

 

Tier IX - HMAS Tobruk

 

Tobruk was part of the final iteration of the Battle-Class Destroyers of late WW2. While the Royal Navy cancelled many of their improved Battle Class type ships, the Royal Australian Navy persisted with the design and was able to benefit from the availability of the new Mark VI turret, as later fitted to the Royal Navy Daring class.

 

Substantially larger than previous Commonwealth Destroyers, with full DP main armament, a 10 torpedo broadside and improved performance main battery with a 3.5 second reload (on her B-hull, at least), Tobruk is a fearsome adversary for other destroyers at her tier. However, in comparison to her RN equivalent Jutland she has fewer main guns (2 x 2 turrets, both facing forwards).

 

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Displacement: 2500 tons (approx)

Speed: 32.5 knots

Armament: 

2 x 2 4.5in QF Mk VI guns (reload time 3s)
3 x 2 - 40/60 STAAG Mk 2 AA guns

6 x 1 - Bofors 40/60 Mk AA guns
2 x 5 21 inch torpedo tubes (range 10k at 62 knots, 120 second reload)

 

Tier X - HMAS Waterhen

 

Waterhen was derived from the Royal Navy Daring destroyer class. Australia originally ordered four Daring class ships, to be named after the ships of the "Scrap Iron Flotilla" , although only three were completed. Waterhen's construction was cancelled in 1954; however by that point the Daring class design was being adapted for the requirements of the Cold War, and included weapons such as anti-submarine mortars, irrelevant in World of Warships, in place of torpedo tubes. Waterhen represents the last of the "pure" WW2 destroyer designs and is a powerful and capable destroyer.

 

 

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HMAS Vendetta, Waterhen's sister ship, shown in 1954.

 

Displacement: 3000 tons (approx)

Speed: 34 knots

Armament: 

3 x 2 4.5in QF Mk VI guns (reload time 3s)

2 x 2 - 40/60 STAAG Mk 2

2 x 1 - Bofors 40/60 Mk 7

2 x 5 - 21 inch torpedo tubes (range 10k at 62 knots, 110 second reload)

 

PS - All Commonwealth Destroyers have normal AP rounds and HE rounds with an armour penetration formula of 1/5, removing the need for IFHE Captain skills when firing at Tier IX and X Destroyers with 4.5 inch guns. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I forgot.... as this is a new national line, it needs a Tier I. 

 

So... Tier I - HMAS Diamantina

 

Diamantina is a River-class frigate from the latter part of WW2. The River class was a series of 240 vessels which served in the Royal Navy, Royal Australian Navy and Royal Canadian Navy throughout World War 2, and in many other navies thereafter. Built to commercial, rather than military standards, the River class excelled in its role as a convoy escort and anti-submarine weapon, while providing better endurance and habitability than the Flower class Corvettes they replaced. Her speed of 20 knots is adequate for her convoy protection role and while her armament is lighter than rivals such as Black Swan, she has a larger HP pool.

 

The original River class design featured a main armament of only 2 x 4 inch main guns in single mounts - however this was improved in later designs with a twin mount in the forward position. Although this mod was never actually applied to Diamantina, it's added here for efficacy.

 

Diamantina is preserved as a museum ship in Brisbane, Queensland.

 

There's a nice WoWs video about her here: 

 

 

 

 

Displacement: 1600 tons

Armament:     
3 x 4 in QF Mk XIX guns (reload time 5s)

3 x 40mm Bofors Guns

4 x 20mm Oerlikon AA guns

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It would certainly be more interesting to see these additional RN destroyers appear with a new flavour as a commonwealth standard line, though they could equally appear as an alternative line as part of the RN tree.

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