Sea Fury and Graf Zeppelin

[ZWC]

The only real good change in the total rework of CV's is that we can see the planes.
Though I did like the old style of play, I do like the fact that we can enjoy flying the planes now.

Enjoy the looks and diversity of the planes, although it has nothing to do with WoWs... more like a Arcade flight game with real players-ships as targets.

I don't choose the best option but the best looking planes.
And yes, I perform better in good looking planes for I have fun, instead of better takiing a "better"but ugly brick!
And yes,... I will buy / grind for, the CV that let me play the better looking planes.

This leaves me 2 big demands...
First the best looking Naval plane for British CV's.  
and most important ( to me)  the return of the Graf Zeppelin

Well British do have some ugly planes... but to the positive site of that they do have one of the most beautiful ones,.... THE SEA FURY !

So I would like to see the Sea Fury in action !
Heck, they letting us see it in the blueprints for weeks now (in-game event)
Yet, it is nowhere to be found....

Also to use the same type of plane as top option isn't making me wanne go for it! (tier 10 gets three of a kind ! that's a NO GO for me)

Now about old premium CV's

I didn't bought the Graf Zeppelin back than, only because of the play-style where it didn't matter what planes you used.
It were more or less just moving dots on the screen.
But now we actually can enjoy the looks and flying with several type's and brands, it a different ballgame.

This makes it worthwhile to play CV's at more levels and nations.

So give us the opportunity to buy the Graf Zeppelin , even if for a brief moment.
Those German planes are so beautiful 
And there are more type's then just Stuka's 

Thanks for taking the time to read.
ZWC  

Please reply If you feel in a similar way.

after all, those old Premium CV's  are finally worth having.
 

[Elektroboot]

Didn't they remove the Stukas for fantasy Ta-152s tho?

[Amon_ITA]

4 minutes ago, Carrier_Graf_Zeppelin said:

Didn't they remove the Stukas for fantasy Ta-152s tho?

 

Wut ?

 

Ta-152 was a high altitude interceptor, the final evolution of the FW190 with liquid cooled engine.

[ZWC]

Well what's the point if nobody can buy the GZ again.... 
Those who did buy it, didn't buy it because they could see the planes....

Now we finally can see / play the planes, we should be able to buy it for it actuality makes sense now.

 

[tajj7]

Not only Sea Furys but from what I have seen the premium tier 8 RN CV has Sea Hornets, which is another beautiful plane. 

 

Does the tier 6 have Seafires? 

[Yedwy]

4 minutes ago, ZWC said:

Well what's the point if nobody can buy the GZ again.... 
Those who did buy it, didn't buy it because they could see the planes....

Now we finally can see / play the planes, we should be able to buy it for it actuality makes sense now.

 

Next patch?

[Elektroboot]

3 minutes ago, Amon_ITA said:

 

Wut ?

 

Ta-152 was a high altitude interceptor, the final evolution of the FW190 with liquid cooled engine.

Yes, thats why I call it fantasy for it to be in an aircraft carrier specially as a bomber fighter role. I honestly think there is nothing wrong with stukas being in the graf zeppelin other than it being a rather slow aircraft for T8 games.

[ZWC]

yes, Sea Hornets and Seafires are beautiful to....
But where is the Sea Fury.....

 

[Amon_ITA]

6 minutes ago, Carrier_Graf_Zeppelin said:

Yes, thats why I call it fantasy for it to be in an aircraft carrier specially as a bomber fighter role. I honestly think there is nothing wrong with stukas being in the graf zeppelin other than it being a rather slow aircraft for T8 games.

 

One could think that, considering the planes the Luftwaffe wanted to use on her, the Graf Zeppelin is NOT T8 material.

[ZWC]

1 minute ago, Carrier_Graf_Zeppelin said:

Yes, thats why I call it fantasy for it to be in an aircraft carrier specially as a bomber fighter role. I honestly think there is nothing wrong with stukas being in the graf zeppelin other than it being a rather slow aircraft for T8 games.

Don't get me wrong.
I love Stuka's 
I would buy / play the German CV even if only Stuka's whould be on it...

But FW190 had torps as well 
Ju87 had torps. 

Also instead of giving rockets they could make it into the Ju87G

bohm bohm bohm instead of shhhh shhhh shhhh

[ZWC]

1 minute ago, Amon_ITA said:

 

One could think that, considering the planes the Luftwaffe wanted to use on her, the Graf Zeppelin is NOT T8 material.

spot-on

[Aotearas]

14 minutes ago, Amon_ITA said:

 

Wut ?

 

Ta-152 was a high altitude interceptor, the final evolution of the FW190 with liquid cooled engine.

I would presume he meant fantasy in the way of using Ta-152s on a CV.

 

 

edit:

Nevermind, was already clarified.

[tajj7]

The TA-152 thing is a bit weird but I kind of get WGs logic on it, as FW-190s were adapted into ground attack roles and even had torp versions IIRC, the TA-152 was essentially the evolution of that design, so extrapolating it I suppose a ground attack TA-152 is not beyond the realms of possibility. 

[Miragetank90]

On the subject of good looking planes, and since they won't give Midway back her jets 

 

I wish that, instead of the BTD Destroyers:

 

 

They had used the Skypirate, as DB and/or TB

 

[Amon_ITA]

23 minutes ago, tajj7 said:

The TA-152 thing is a bit weird but I kind of get WGs logic on it, as FW-190s were adapted into ground attack roles and even had torp versions IIRC, the TA-152 was essentially the evolution of that design, so extrapolating it I suppose a ground attack TA-152 is not beyond the realms of possibility. 

 

Nope nope nope. WF190's till Dora were used in ground attack role because their stellar air cooled engines performed well at ground level and the whole plane was designed around that. So it could work in the ground attack role. Starting from the fw190 D the plane had liquid cooled v12 engines made for high altitude performance. The TA 152 H was the final evolution of that concept. No way it could work as a carrier based aircraft.

[1MajorKoenig]

4 minutes ago, Amon_ITA said:

 

Nope nope nope. WF190's till Dora were used in ground attack role because their stellar air cooled engines performed well at ground level and the whole plane was designed around that. So it could work in the ground attack role. Starting from the fw190 D the plane had liquid cooled v12 engines made for high altitude performance. The TA 152 H was the final evolution of that concept. No way it could work as a carrier based aircraft.

 

This.

 

To add to this: the FW190 was used in the fighter bomber role solely because there was no better design. With the Ju87 becoming outdated the Luftwaffe needed a more modern and aircraft with better chances to survive in that role. So the robust and durable FW190 was used. Btw even 109s were used in that capacity but the FW was cwrtainly the better workhorse in such roles. It was a tractor compared to the race horse 109.

 

The question which planes would have been used on GZ is interesting had it been completed. As naval fighters weren’t as prominent in the Atlantic as in the Pacific my guess is she would have used Ju87s nevertheless 

[tinvek]

love the sea fury,

 

i wish i'd discovered Hoagy Carmichael was only about 12 miles form my house when he was still alive 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Carmichael

 

[Amon_ITA]

37 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

The question which planes would have been used on GZ is interesting had it been completed. As naval fighters weren’t as prominent in the Atlantic as in the Pacific my guess is she would have used Ju87s nevertheless 

 

They had 3 kind of planes in mind for the GZ afaik.

 

Navalized ME109 ( Fw190A could have been much better. More reliable engine, much better undercarriage )

 

Navalized STUKA's dive bombers.

 

Torpedo bombers made by Fieseler. Biplanes with fixed undercarriage, something a little better than Swordfishes.

[gustywinds]

10 hours ago, ZWC said:

The only real good change in the total rework of CV's is that we can see the planes

 

The only carrier I’m playing is Lexi ‘cause I love the steampunk planes that come with the Halloween camo :)

[Verblonde]

10 hours ago, tajj7 said:

The TA-152 thing is a bit weird but I kind of get WGs logic on it, as FW-190s were adapted into ground attack roles and even had torp versions IIRC, the TA-152 was essentially the evolution of that design, so extrapolating it I suppose a ground attack TA-152 is not beyond the realms of possibility. 

No idea how accurate wikipedia is, but they talk about plans to produce ground attack versions (with different wings and engines): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_152

 

If so, that's no worse than the many and various paper ships we have in the game already, I suppose.

 

That said, I would prefer Stukas on the GZ...

[BLUB__BLUB]

9 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

No idea how accurate wikipedia is, but they talk about plans to produce ground attack versions (with different wings and engines): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_152

 

If so, that's no worse than the many and various paper ships we have in the game already, I suppose.

 

That said, I would prefer Stukas on the GZ...

Nonkel Dolf wanted EVERY plane to carry bombs, even the Me262... yeah he was kinda bonkers mad.

But I doubt a ground attack version of the TA152 would have been made, it was developed for high altitude.

However the FW190 already was a ground attack plane, would like to see those with rockets. 

Plus of course the Stukas need the JERICHO HORN.  while they are divebombers.

For torpedo planes actually the FW190 was also used. 

 

[Makoniel]

I tried to make some model swaps exactly for the same reasons ZWC stated! Now that we can see planes, I'd love to see the most relevant ones on my carriers! --I tried to give Kaga the plane complement she had for Pearl Harbour, and Shokaku her normal complement of Tenzans and Suiseis.-- 
Tho for now, as they added some animations/specific files for torpedo placement and landing gear, this is not this simple yet. I hope someone with more knowledge in modding than me can do something about it, but it seems very much possible! 

--And the first thing I'd do when I can make it work, is to give Zeppelin her Stukas back.--

[ZWC]

Well it is weird that all Ju87 's were replaced (if this is the case)
As dive-bombers they were close to perfect.... 
So GZ should at the least keep the option to have Stuka's as dive-bomber 

FW190A-5/U14 or FW190F-8/U3  would be a good choice as torpedo dropper... Good HP for it could take a punch.

But the Henschel 129 might have found it's way to the deck at some point. 


Anyway,
now we can see our planes, a better plate to choose a line-up would be welcome.

First of all....
give us the opportunity to buy all CV's that were sold when planes didn't matter ....
So when there was no cosmetic reason to buy one :) 

Now it finally makes sense to buy a
Kaga
Saipan
Graf Zeppelin
Enterprise

They must be in shop ( even if only for a short period )
pure for this new style of actually seeing the planes opens a reason to buy one.
Now the iron is still hot! (reply please Dev's) 

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, ZWC said:

now it finally makes sense to buy a
Kaga
Saipan
Graf Zeppelin
Enterprise

They must be in shop ( even if only for a short period )
pure for this new style of actually seeing the planes opens a reason to buy one.
Now the iron is still hot! (reply please Dev's) 

Except from my encounters in randoms Kaga and Saipan are in meh spot - former is balanced around massive plane reserve, while latter around tier 10 aircraft. Which sounds fine until you realize both uptier abysmally - former bleeds entire squadrons to drop onto anything with AA while latter takes eternity and a half to replace inevitable losses

 

Enty seems to be Lex with AP bombs, which should work fine with "balanced" plane stats, no idea about Gimmick Zeppelin though

[fallenkezef]

I've always loved the older FAA planes like the Swordfish, Fulmar and Firefly.