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Soviet BBs - The real reason for the nerf of CVs?

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Just been watching an interesting video by Flamu on the Soviet Tier VII BB "Sinop"

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The T7 Soviet Battleship Sinop is certainly no pushover, great armor, great health, good concealment, great guns, great speed. Downsides are only really weak AA, the torpedo belt and a large turning circle. Doesn't really feel like a fair trade.

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Full video here:

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Imaginary conversation at Wargaming offices between two high ranking officials on the Russian BB Project:

#1: The plans for the new Soviet Battleships indicate that they have NO weaknesses whatsoever!

#2: OK then, nerf the AA.

#1: Great idea - then we nerf Carriers out of existence so the weakness is not a problem.

#2: Also, Premium Soviet battleships will sell like hot cakes - more money!

#1: Yes, with more money we can increase developer's vodka ration to three bottles per day, and buy only best quality sledgehammers for the balancing team.

THE END.

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Oh come on man really? Did we really need another conspiracy theory like this?

For shitposting i usually go to reddit

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Guys, I think that you need to have a little more patience considering all this CV/other ship balancing. If you look notes for Update 0.8.1.1 you can see that IJN CV planes are now being buffed. Also there are already some changes of earlier changes to ships visibility from air.

 

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For all classes of ships, except destroyers, visibility from the air now cannot be less than the range of the ship’s air defenses. This will prevent cases where a squadron comes within range of a ship with its air defense switched off with the ‘P’ key, after which the ship activates anti-aircraft weapons and causes serious and sudden damage to the aircraft. After this change, a squadron will detect the ship at the same time or before it is within range of air defense, regardless of if the ship has its air defenses activated or not. Changes will affect such ships as Worcester, Minotaur, Cleveland, Atlanta, Flint and others. The interaction of destroyers with aircraft will remain at the same level and the tactics of disabling air defense weapons with the ‘P’ key will also be relevant for this class.

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/0811-hot-fix/

 

You can't expect that all this happen overnight.

 

Also Soviet BBs are still very much WiP. And they are silver ships which means no restrictions to nerfs after release.

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16 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

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maginary conversation at Wargaming offices between two high ranking officials on the Russian BB Project:

#1: The plans for the new Soviet Battleships indicate that they have NO weaknesses whatsoever!

#2: OK then, nerf the AA.

#1: Great idea - then we nerf Carriers out of existence so the weakness is not a problem.

#2: Also, Premium Soviet battleships will sell like hot cakes - more money!

#1: Yes, with more money we can increase developer's vodka ration to three bottles per day, and buy only best quality sledgehammers for the balancing team.

THE END.

Really? :fish_palm:

  • Kremlin has very strong AA
  • CV reworked is not finished, next patch improves torpedos...

 

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18 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Really? :fish_palm:

  • Kremlin has very strong AA
  • CV reworked is not finished, next patch improves torpedos...

 

Colonel - some things go right over your head.

Did you have your sense of humour surgically removed or something? :Smile_teethhappy:

 

QUESTION: How do you make the Colonel laugh on a Monday?

ANSWER: Tell him a joke on a Friday!

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People on this forum believe anything.

Therefore these "jokes" are extremly dangerous.

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So one out of 7 test ships in their first iteration is op, therefore the only logical explanation is that wargaming went to some grand conspiracy involving their biggest change to the game since closed beta to make sure that this one ship is op?

 

You convinced me

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8 minutes ago, thiextar said:

So one out of 7 test ships in their first iteration is op

 

Well actually two, T5 and T7 are both OP so far.

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5 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Well actually two, T5 and T7 are both OP so far.

Well that changes everything

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1 minute ago, thiextar said:

Well that changes everything

 

Yea, I though it would :Smile-_tongue:

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1 hour ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

#1: The plans for the new Soviet Battleships indicate that they have NO weaknesses whatsoever!

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Darth_Glorious said:

T3 is Op too because it is immune to HE dmg :cap_haloween:

really? that seems entirely too fair to be true :Smile_teethhappy:

care to share a screenshot of the armour model?

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3 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

really? that seems entirely too fair to be true :Smile_teethhappy:

care to share a screenshot of the armour model?

 

You can find more about armour layout of Knyaz Suvorov here

 

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-warships/supertest-russian-tier-iii-battleship-knyaz-suvorov/

 

Its armour really looks amazing for T3.

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10 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

You can find more about armour layout of Knyaz Suvorov here

 

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-warships/supertest-russian-tier-iii-battleship-knyaz-suvorov/

 

Its armour really looks amazing for T3.

...wow. Thanks for sharing. That is so far beyond insane it's not even funny. And here I thought the T5 was already hilariously overpowered armour wise...

Also, mighty sneaky of WG to for some mysterious reason not give this ship to any of their live testers and CCs... :Smile_sceptic:

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Its base AA rating is 45  so its not weak, more like middle of the pack

 

Weak:

Ashitaka 20

Low:

Colorado 38

Nagato 39

Average:

Nelson 42

Hood 43 (but the defensive fire option on top of that kind of removes it from this list)

Sinop 45

King George V 47

Good:

Scharnhorst 50

Duke of York 58

Strong:

Gneisenau 64

Lyon 65

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I run they should just take the Cesare approach and whack them all up a Tier. As it stands the entire line looks over powered....

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5 hours ago, DuneDreamer said:

I think you are a London-based, NATO-loving warmonger who is angry over Brexit and wants to blame Russia for it! :cap_haloween:

If that remark is aimed at me, then the only thing you have correct is that I am a Londoner.

For the rest of it you are 180 degrees wrong. We can discuss further in private if you like.

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9 hours ago, Ronchabale said:

Its base AA rating is 45  so its not weak, more like middle of the pack

No. Oh, please, God, no.

DON'T BELIEVE THAT NUMBER, IT HAS NO VALUE WHATSOEVER.

If you want to compare AA, look at actual numbers. The ranges and DPS of specific auras (remember to include accuracy) and how wide each of them is, and whether your ship happens to have a dead 1km radius "please hit me with dive bombers safely" zone overhead. Slightly less important but still can matter: the number and, to lesser degree, the damage from flak puffs (again, remember about accuracy as it affects the number of flaks as well). These are the numbers you want to look at. Oh, and def. AA makes a difference, though not as big as it once did (as now it's basically just a multiplier with no extra effects). Oh, and also: DDs have better AA than numbers imply because they have much faster and more effective AA sector switching (50:150 without manual AA) meaning that managing your assets skillfully gives you more power than a cruiser with similar base AA values would enjoy. And at the end of this all is the question of how prone to destruction your most potent AA mounts are...

 

In any case, the aggregate AA rating is... something to wipe your behind with, basically.

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