Premium ships vs doubloon camo tech tree ships

[Beastofwar]

I take it that the thought behind buying a premium ship is buying yourself into a tier where you cannot get to climbing through the tech tree yet, or are impatient. I use them however to keep playing operations in a tier i already left with the bulk of the tech tree ships, for enjoyment.

 

In almost every review i read Premium ships - the ones still available that is - are often actually weaker then their tech tree counterparts/sister ships. Why would one even buy a premium ship then and not slap a doubloon camo on a  tech tree counterpart ? If you slap on a doubloon camo, is there then any difference that i overlooked apart from the gold vs white class/tier indication ?

 

 

 

 

[DFens_666]

You need a dedicated captain for that silver ship. For a premium ship, you can use whatever captain you feel like (preferably even a 19 pointer to farm elite commander XP).

 

Also cant quite tell which ships are weaker than the silver ships

And WG will add 50 premium ships puchaseable with doubloons to the Arsenal with the next patch afaik. So then it wont matter anymore i guess.

[Fat_Maniac]

8 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

I take it that the thought behind buying a premium ship is buying yourself into a tier where you cannot get to climbing through the tech tree yet, or are impatient. I use them however to keep playing operations in a tier i already left with the bulk of the tech tree ships, for enjoyment.

 

In almost every review i read Premium ships - the ones still available that is - are often actually weaker then their tech tree counterparts/sister ships. Why would one even buy a premium ship then and not slap a doubloon camo on a  tech tree counterpart ? If you slap on a doubloon camo, is there then any difference that i overlooked apart from the gold vs white class/tier indication ?

 

 

 

 

Some premium ships are good captain trainers. Take your silver captain and move him to the premium without penalty and farm commander exp.

[Yedwy]

Prems are still better

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, Yedwy sagte:

Prems are still better

Only for commander training.

 

Its usually better to spend money for t10prem cammo anyway

[Klopirat]

Vor 15 Minuten, Beastofwar sagte:

In almost every review i read Premium ships - the ones still available that is - are often actually weaker then their tech tree counterparts/sister ships.

at least this should be the case...

[DFens_666]

4 minutes ago, Zuihou25 said:

Its usually better to spend money for t10prem cammo anyway

 

Not when i see the average playerbase ~~ they would be better off playing premium ships on T6 (for themselves and for their teammates aswell )

[fumtu]

21 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

In almost every review i read Premium ships - the ones still available that is - are often actually weaker then their tech tree counterparts/sister ships.

 

Not sure what reviews are you watching but that is rarely a case. Usually they are different to silver ships at the same tier. Saying that Kidd is weaker then Benson or Boise to Helena, Nelson to KGV, Leny to Minsk, T-61 to Gaeda, De Grasse to Gasoline is just wrong. Also Massa is not weaker than NC, she is just different if not better too. And you can say the same for almost any other premium ship.

 

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Why would one even buy a premium ship then and not slap a doubloon camo on a  tech tree counterpart ?

 

You can use any captain on premium while all captains on the regular ships with camo are dedicated captains.

[TeaAndTorps]

Sometimes I do wish that I could pay to activate free captain transfers à la premiums on silver ships (even if it was restricted to T6+ to prevent it being a licence to club seals with 19-pointers).

 

E.g. When I move onto Helena, 1-2k doubs would allow me to continue to move the captain back to the Dallas as much as I wish – far preferable to having to train a new 10-pt commander on the Phoenix (I refuse to do so on the Omaha, and I'm not playing Dallas without IFHE; see also not playing T5+ DDs without CE). Actually make that 3 new 10-pointers – I suspect I will want to keep playing Helena and Cleveland as well, even after reaching Worcester in the far-distant future. And multiply that by several other lines with a number of 'keepers'...

 

I said 'sometimes' though. Sadly whenever I think it through I still come to the conclusion it would probably end up breaking the captain XP economy   And I guess WG would be concerned that the resulting profits might not make up for any related decline in premium ship sales.

[Mr_Tayto]

46 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Prems are still better

I'd argue not better, but significantly more interesting (subjective, as usual). Take, for example, Massachusetts; no-one would argue she's overall better than NC, but she has great secondaries and offers a different and exciting playstyle compared with NC (or Bama).

[Beastofwar]

49 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Not sure what reviews are you watching but that is rarely a case. Usually they are different to silver ships at the same tier.

 

I just got a Duke of York out of a box that i purchased to have that T6 UK CV faster. Review : "Garbage"  https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/145280-premium-ship-review-duke-of-york/

 

I was intrigued by Huanghe's secondaries. Review :  "Garbage"  https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/143823-premium-ship-review-huanghe/

 

And it seems the ( once free ) give aways are always the least good ones.....And there is a long list of "Mehbote" reviews to regarding my Premium fleet  too.

 

Only the Mushashi i grinded 1,5 month for when i read they would remove it seems to have been regarded "Gudbote" and so does the KII and the Tirpitz.

 

 

 

 

[Tyrendian89]

2 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

 

I just got a Duke of York out of a box that i purchased to have that T6 CV faster. Review : "Garbage"  https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/145280-premium-ship-review-duke-of-york/

 

I was intrigued by Huanghe's secondaries. Review :  "Garbage"  https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/143823-premium-ship-review-huanghe/

 

And there is a long list of "Mehbote" too.

 

Only the Mushashi i grinded 1,5 month for when i read they would remove it seems to have been regarded "Gudbote" and so does the KII and the Tirpitz.

 

 

 

 

you appear to be exceptionally good at picking all the wrong premiums to be interested in...

[Beastofwar]

1 minute ago, Tyrendian89 said:

you appear to be exceptionally good at picking all the wrong premiums to be interested in...

 

I'm not playing for stats, that must be obvious. The point is : why would you sell crap ??

 

 

[Max_Kammerer]

1 hour ago, Yedwy said:

Prems are still better

From the economic point of view are T10 with premium camo mostly the best credit earners... 

[fumtu]

19 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

I just got a Duke of York out of a box that i purchased to have that T6 UK CV faster. Review : "Garbage"  https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/145280-premium-ship-review-duke-of-york/

 

I was intrigued by Huanghe's secondaries. Review :  "Garbage"  https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/143823-premium-ship-review-huanghe/

 

Wow, you have two ships that somebody consider "garbage" and you are like well all premiums are same. That is well based resoning. And btw, what is a Huenghe silver counterpart?

 

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And there is a long list of "Mehbote" too.

 

There is also a long list of good boats too. Even you have mentioned three of them:

 

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Only the Mushashi i grinded 1,5 month for when i read they would remove it seems to have been regarded "Gudbote" and so does the KII and the Tirpitz.

 

So out of five ships you mentioned you consider 2 meh and 3 good ships. And yet you are saying that

 

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In almost every review i read Premium ships - the ones still available that is - are often actually weaker then their tech tree counterparts/sister ships

 

Sorry but that is not true. Sure there are some premiums which are worse then other ships but there are many which are way better/just different/more fun that silver ships. I already mentioned several of them in my previous post. But lets mention couple more, WeVe better then NM, Arizona better then NM, Kami better then Minekaze, GC better then anything else on T5, Kaiser better then Nassau (even tho Nassue is good ship by itself), Missouri better then Iowa, Sharny better then Gnais, Loyang better then Hsienyang, Gremlin better then Podvoiski ... There are some that are better/on parity with their silver counterpart depending on opinion like Belfast - Fiji or Cossack - Lighting which is mostly because Fiji and Lighting are such a great ship by themselves. So generalizing all premium ships by using two or three bad ones and making conclusion based on it is wrong.  

 

[Yedwy]

46 minutes ago, Max_Kammerer said:

From the economic point of view are T10 with premium camo mostly the best credit earners... 

Knm, Stalingrad khm, Missouri khm... Besides I was under impresion we are primarly discussing T6 premium vs permacamo for ops?

[Mr_Tayto]

I would pay a Dub value (say, 10k) to have a silver ship converted to premium - for example Fiji, Gadjah, Jervis. Come on WG make it happen @MrConway

[fallenkezef]

I can only comment on British prems, which are "different" not worse. The Brits get a good selection all round to be honest.

[Beastofwar]

1 hour ago, Yedwy said:

 Besides I was under impresion we are primarly discussing T6 premium vs permacamo for ops?

 

Yes i don't have T10 premiums or tech tree ships, and only 1 Tier IX premium one, soon 2 because of coal. I am also not familiar with Tier X gameplay and obvious choices when at Tier X  other then being thrown in Tier X matches in Tier VIII ships,

 

Thank you guys for pointing out you can train captains in them. I have never used them for this purpose so forgot about that. That seems to be THE most distinguising difference yes.

 

But what is your opinion of slapping a doubloon camo on for example a Bayern or a New Mexico ? To me those ships feels powerfull and well suited to do operations of that tier....well able to be on par with any premium (sister ships or comparable ships ) at that tier ?

 

 

[hgbn_dk]

3 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

I take it that the thought behind buying a premium ship is buying yourself into a tier where you cannot get to climbing through the tech tree yet, or are impatient. I use them however to keep playing operations in a tier i already left with the bulk of the tech tree ships, for enjoyment.

 

In almost every review i read Premium ships - the ones still available that is - are often actually weaker then their tech tree counterparts/sister ships. Why would one even buy a premium ship then and not slap a doubloon camo on a  tech tree counterpart ? If you slap on a doubloon camo, is there then any difference that i overlooked apart from the gold vs white class/tier indication ?

 

 

 

 

Can only speak for myself but I buy Premium ships because of their history, game performance is second priority. At the same time I have bought Premium camouflages For all Tier V-IX that can get it, plus a good chunk of myTier X.

Most of the V-IX have been bought in some of the -50% sales there has been. I'm just a sucker for camo's. Are they worth it? For me they are, simply because I keep and play all my ships on a more or less regular basis. Some more than others and those Tier X's usual get a premium camo. I mostly buy for aesthetics reasons and any economic and XP bonuses is just what comes along together with the paint. We didn't have all those expendable special camo's when I started buying premium camouflages so back then they was bought for the economy. Now the game are flooded with free extra bonus camouflages en mass horrible colours but nice bonuses. One can argue about the need for buying any premium.

[lup3s]

23 hours ago, Beastofwar said:

I take it that the thought behind buying a premium ship is buying yourself into a tier where you cannot get to climbing through the tech tree yet, or are impatient.

 

While possibly true, it isn't necessarily.

Some players buy Premium ships for the ship itself; e.g. the history of the ship, relatives that served on the ship, or a unique / fun playstyle of the ship ...

Others buy Premium ships for in-game reasons / advantages like captain (re)training, credits, etc.

 

Myself, I bought Premium ships for both reasons I mentioned; I've never bought a Premium ship to get to a tier I haven't reached yet (I was at T9 when I bought my first Premium - the Tirpitz).

[black_falcon120]

The main reason for premium ships is the credit multipliers, but for most people that doesn’t matter

[Ubertron_X]

23 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

The main reason for premium ships is the credit multipliers, but for most people that doesn’t matter

If you start from scratch and are a "freeloader" then yes, maybe. Apart from the different playstyles (e.g. Graf Spee) most experienced players however will use premium ships for the ease of captains training.

[NothingButTheRain]

23 hours ago, 10ThousandThings said:

Sometimes I do wish that I could pay to activate free captain transfers à la premiums on silver ships (even if it was restricted to T6+ to prevent it being a licence to club seals with 19-pointers).

 

E.g. When I move onto Helena, 1-2k doubs would allow me to continue to move the captain back to the Dallas as much as I wish – far preferable to having to train a new 10-pt commander on the Phoenix (I refuse to do so on the Omaha, and I'm not playing Dallas without IFHE; see also not playing T5+ DDs without CE). Actually make that 3 new 10-pointers – I suspect I will want to keep playing Helena and Cleveland as well, even after reaching Worcester in the far-distant future. And multiply that by several other lines with a number of 'keepers'...

 

I said 'sometimes' though. Sadly whenever I think it through I still come to the conclusion it would probably end up breaking the captain XP economy   And I guess WG would be concerned that the resulting profits might not make up for any related decline in premium ship sales.

Long time ago I suggested in the suggestions thread something like to be able to purchase commander facilities or admiral facilities for tech tree ships, which would basically turn it into a kind of premium ship.

 

There were reasons why this wasn't exclusively liked but the idea itself is still nice I think 

[hgbn_dk]

7 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said:

 most experienced players however will use premium ships for the ease of captains training.

The best way to utilise this is to slap a 19 point commander on the premium and farm elite commander XP. This XP can be used on every commander regardless of nation or ship class. Know not everybody have a 19 pointer but if you do, this is the way of getting even more of them.