The problem with this game...

[cuddlesRO]

Well i had my share of games and the problems i found with this game are :

 

1. Jap Battleships are currently too strong. Let's say i'm in a 1 vs 1 in my american destroyer against a jap battleship. I use my sneak/smoke ability to get it close to launch my torpedoes. I use my mobility to launch the other side of torpedoes. 5 out of 6 torpedoes hit. Didn't even take half of his health. Kills me with his second batteries , didn't even had to aim his main batteries on me. So again , how is a tier 5 destroyer manage to kill a tier 6 battleship? Right. It can't. Weren't destroyers nick-named battleship killers?

 

In real life 3-5 torpedoes were just enough for any battleship. You have to reward the skill of getting close and use terain to get close to a battleship.

 

2. Too many people camp behind islands. Sick and tired of battleships camping near island and just wait for your destroyer for a one shot. Here is a scenario : 2 battleships camp perpendicular right next to a island.If you want to launch your torpedoes you have to get in range of their guns , needles to say you are one shot to one bb's gun nevermind two. They can cover themselfes pretty much and also provide decent air cover. You cannot get close without him spotting you , if planes want to take a round on the those campers have to pass the island. Insert and AA good ship in there and you have an impenetrable camping spot. Well played.

 

3. Spamming shots because unlimited ammo/torps is not fun. Ships should have limited ammo/torpedoes.More torpedoes on destroyers , less on cruisers (the ones that have)

 

4. I really hope MM will be fixed. 5 battleship / game and 3 destroyers while the rest cruisers and no carrier is not fun . Not fun at all. They should limit some classes if they don't want to nerf BB's.

[MaxxyNL]

That is why we are still in CBT, lots of things have to be tweaked / changed / removed.

 

[Lagwin1980]

1. If you are close enough for secondary batteries to kill you then you are to close, torps have a range of 6k+...also it's not real life it's a game

 

2. people camping behind islands....tanks players, sitting still allowing them selves to be killed,

 

3. No, the saving grace of the game is that the focus has been taken off ammo, you still pay for it but it's not the burden it becomes in WoT, Forcing ammo limits forces everyone to use the aim assist, you'll die quicker in many cases if that happens

 

4. MM as far as i know is intentionaly broken atm to get matches going asap, my concern isn't the types of ships in the game(which is likely to ballance out with more players) but the tier spread when it comes to detection/view/shot range on the higher tiers

 

 

[Nechrom]

If you are close enough to or in line of sight of a BB for long enough that his secondary battery kills you, you are playing your DD wrong. If you are forced to go for a BB out on open waters perhaps because he's one of the last enemies, then you should just get close enough to launch and then get out again. You are not supposed to take out a full health BB on your own as a DD unless you have some serious advantage like lots of islands to take cover behind.

I would never do a double launch against a BB unless he's not pointing his guns towards me and I can stay outside of his secondary gun range.

Ships aren't balanced 1 v 1 because it's a team game. There are other ships much more suited to dealing with cautious BBs. DDs will get to feast on the reckless and wounded ones.

[Talladega_Night]

the fact there is not limited ammo thing makes it so much funner. less of a burden.

[Xevious_Red]

OP opinion slightly biased due to literally having played nothing other than american destroyers (apart from 13 games in  erie, 1 game in katori to get to destroyers). Of which only 24 have been against actual people.

 

Try a different class before you start trying to form opinions on balance. For example go look at the threads started by people that only play battleships, have never played destroyers but are calling for torps to be nerfed across the board, for destroyers to only have 2 shots of torps, with a 3 min reload, starting from tier 2

 

[cuddlesRO]

There is a reason you see a lot of BB's. They are good. Mobility does not affect a 2 bb camping spot near an island. Same as trolling guns in WOT

 

6k+ range on torps? Not on tier 5 american destroyers.

 

firing torps  from within 5-5.5km range doesnt not ensure hits if the bb is manuevering. And they do because they are not stupid. In World of Tanks , you can kill an heavy tank if you manage to infiltrare and circle them in your scout. You can't here because you know ...second battery. Even if you hit them you do too few damage to care.

 

As i said , the logic would have been : 5 torps would kill any BB. Not in this game. If a bb doesn't care about 6 torps then why should i loose my time putting myself in danger and shoot them?

[Skullcap]

BBs also have bulge armour which absorbs torpedo damage, they had that in real life, so no not always 4-5 torps would kill a BB in real life.

[cuddlesRO]

there are bb's sunk  by 2 torpedoes in WW2. i didn't request that in the game but still firing 2 salvos of 3 torps should send her to the bottom. not laugh in my face, they are too strong right now considering one needs some brain to get close to it while bb can shoot me from 20 km with a lucky rng shot.

[Samurai__]

OP needs more in game experience

 

Try actually playing a BB before saying they are OP

 

Suggest your DD tactics/skillz need upgrading

 

Next...

 

 

[Qel_]

Limiting ammo on this game would just be silly, on the one hand you talk about real life this real life that with regards to torpedo hits on BBs but in real life these ships carried several hundred rounds of ammunition per turret, let alone the entire ship. This isn't a tank its a warship with multiple guns and a crew of thousands, having a BB (or any other kind of ship) run out of ammo in a 15 minute fight like this would just be laughable.

[Blue_Bug]

Well i had my share of games and the problems i found with this game are :

 

1. Jap Battleships are currently too strong. Let's say i'm in a 1 vs 1 in my american destroyer against a jap battleship. I use my sneak/smoke ability to get it close to launch my torpedoes. I use my mobility to launch the other side of torpedoes. 5 out of 6 torpedoes hit. Didn't even take half of his health. Kills me with his second batteries , didn't even had to aim his main batteries on me. So again , how is a tier 5 destroyer manage to kill a tier 6 battleship? Right. It can't. Weren't destroyers nick-named battleship killers?

 

In real life 3-5 torpedoes were just enough for any battleship. You have to reward the skill of getting close and use terain to get close to a battleship.

 

2. Too many people camp behind islands. Sick and tired of battleships camping near island and just wait for your destroyer for a one shot. Here is a scenario : 2 battleships camp perpendicular right next to a island.If you want to launch your torpedoes you have to get in range of their guns , needles to say you are one shot to one bb's gun nevermind two. They can cover themselfes pretty much and also provide decent air cover. You cannot get close without him spotting you , if planes want to take a round on the those campers have to pass the island. Insert and AA good ship in there and you have an impenetrable camping spot. Well played.

 

3. Spamming shots because unlimited ammo/torps is not fun. Ships should have limited ammo/torpedoes.More torpedoes on destroyers , less on cruisers (the ones that have)

 

4. I really hope MM will be fixed. 5 battleship / game and 3 destroyers while the rest cruisers and no carrier is not fun . Not fun at all. They should limit some classes if they don't want to nerf BB's.

 

 

1) BB's are supposed to be strong. You were just unlucky that you didn't kill him with 5 Torpedo's. Most of the time it is enough. Trying to kill a BB in open wather with a low tier US DD is asking for trouble. You need support for that. Choose your targets well.

 

2) BB's camping near islands. Oh man tell me more. This is the wet dream of a DD commander. These are the targets you want.  Manouver carrefully. Don't go streath to te target. Sneak up.

 

3) NO

 

4) Seems good to me 5 BB/ 3 DD/ 7 CA. Don't know why you are complaining.

[Jexter]

It's all about teamplay, clocky. Instead of aggravating yourself for failing to kill the BB you put 5 or 6 torps in, consider that you've made the job much easier for your BB teammates by halving her HP and pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

Whenever I play DDs, I simply try to harass the enemy fleet, scouting them, taking a few pot shots trying to set ships on fire, launching torps at an isolated target, etc. Staying alive as a DD is important, as long as you're alive you present a particular kind of threat to the enemy team and they have to limit their tactics accordingly.

Also, be aware that USN DDs have more of an anti-DD role with great guns & RoF, but very limited torpedo range and less concealment abilities than their IJN counterparts ; if your "thing" is stealth and BB-hunting then you should give the IJN DDs a try, because their torpedo range is usually higher than their detection/concealment range.

[Mindfulcrane07]

OP needs more in game experience

 

Try actually playing a BB before saying they are OP

 

Suggest your DD tactics/skillz need upgrading

 

Next...

 

 

well said +1

[7LV]

OP opinion slightly biased due to literally having played nothing other than american destroyers (apart from 13 games in  erie, 1 game in katori to get to destroyers). Of which only 24 have been against actual people.

 

Try a different class before you start trying to form opinions on balance. For example go look at the threads started by people that only play battleships, have never played destroyers but are calling for torps to be nerfed across the board, for destroyers to only have 2 shots of torps, with a 3 min reload, starting from tier 2

 

 

The truth

 

and not the first time, too many complain and when you check their stats you see all they play is DD.

I hope this does not turn into another Wot where everything has to be equal because of crying.

 

[BlueMoon51]

In fairness in  world war 2 you wouldn't often find a BB on its own without any kind of escort here its almost the rule and that makes BB's  underpowered, but as someone that plays DD's a lot I'm not complaining!!!

 

 

[Ribba]

Well i had my share of games and the problems i found with this game are :

 

1. Jap Battleships are currently too strong. Let's say i'm in a 1 vs 1 in my american destroyer against a jap battleship. I use my sneak/smoke ability to get it close to launch my torpedoes. I use my mobility to launch the other side of torpedoes. 5 out of 6 torpedoes hit. Didn't even take half of his health. Kills me with his second batteries , didn't even had to aim his main batteries on me. So again , how is a tier 5 destroyer manage to kill a tier 6 battleship? Right. It can't. Weren't destroyers nick-named battleship killers?

 

In real life 3-5 torpedoes were just enough for any battleship. You have to reward the skill of getting close and use terain to get close to a battleship.

 

 

 

Seriously? Are you really of the opinion that all it should be to sink a tier 6 BB, is a suicide run by a tier V DD? Because if a DD captain is willing to sacrifice his/her ship, there would be no way for a BB to survive in a 1 vs 1 battle. And trading a tier V DD for a tier VI BB, it would be a pretty good deal.

 

No, this game has to be balanced. A DD should be able sink a BB in a 1vs1, but to do that and also to survive that, it should require a decent amount of skill, a good plan with a nice implementation of that plan. And stealth and ambush is the key words, not a go-hung and all in attitude.

[DestoryerO_o]

Well i had my share of games and the problems i found with this game are :

 

1. Jap Battleships are currently too strong. Let's say i'm in a 1 vs 1 in my american destroyer against a jap battleship. I use my sneak/smoke ability to get it close to launch my torpedoes. I use my mobility to launch the other side of torpedoes. 5 out of 6 torpedoes hit. Didn't even take half of his health. Kills me with his second batteries , didn't even had to aim his main batteries on me. So again , how is a tier 5 destroyer manage to kill a tier 6 battleship? Right. It can't. Weren't destroyers nick-named battleship killers?

 

In real life 3-5 torpedoes were just enough for any battleship. You have to reward the skill of getting close and use terain to get close to a battleship.

 

2. Too many people camp behind islands. Sick and tired of battleships camping near island and just wait for your destroyer for a one shot. Here is a scenario : 2 battleships camp perpendicular right next to a island.If you want to launch your torpedoes you have to get in range of their guns , needles to say you are one shot to one bb's gun nevermind two. They can cover themselfes pretty much and also provide decent air cover. You cannot get close without him spotting you , if planes want to take a round on the those campers have to pass the island. Insert and AA good ship in there and you have an impenetrable camping spot. Well played.

 

3. Spamming shots because unlimited ammo/torps is not fun. Ships should have limited ammo/torpedoes.More torpedoes on destroyers , less on cruisers (the ones that have)

 

4. I really hope MM will be fixed. 5 battleship / game and 3 destroyers while the rest cruisers and no carrier is not fun . Not fun at all. They should limit some classes if they don't want to nerf BB's.

 

1. Your torps didn't sink it mainly because they did not hit any crit area. in real life there are many different cases - some BBs were sunk by 1 torp, some needed over 10.

 

in real life a DD cannot reload torpedo tubes during engagement with enemy - far away from it - you get one chance, and that's it.

 

2. You should really attack a BB with DD when it's skipper is distracted - not when he's waiting for anything.

 

3. as i said: if we had RL stuff here, you would be able to do only one proper torpedo run.

 

4. in a DD you really really don't want too many enemy planes flying arround.

 

BB is weak to destroyers if it's not in formation with cruisers, just don't expect to OHK every BB you see. It may require two, or more runs. I tend to look for damaged enemy BBs, and torp them while they are engaging other ships.

[Tugnut]

well said +1

 

agree +1 for ya both

[7LV]

 

And trading a tier V DD for a tier VI BB, it would be a pretty good deal.

 

Is it? I'd say a DD is a very valuable ship, more so than a lumbering BB.

[Sznyper]

1. Jap Battleships are currently too strong. Let's say i'm in a 1 vs 1 in my american destroyer against a jap battleship. I use my sneak/smoke ability to get it close to launch my torpedoes. I use my mobility to launch the other side of torpedoes. 5 out of 6 torpedoes hit. Didn't even take half of his health. Kills me with his second batteries , didn't even had to aim his main batteries on me. So again , how is a tier 5 destroyer manage to kill a tier 6 battleship? Right. It can't. Weren't destroyers nick-named battleship killers?

 

In real life 3-5 torpedoes were just enough for any battleship. You have to reward the skill of getting close and use terain to get close to a battleship.

 

Are u kidding?

Musashi sunk hit by 20 torpedoes, 17 bombs, and 18 near misses. Yamato hit by 11-13 torpedoes, 8 bombs. All these torpedoes were dropped from the planes, not DDs.

Bismarck sunk after 3 torpedo hits, but probably by it's own crew, and after nearly 3k shells fired at him in the final battle:

380 of 40.6 cm from Rodney
339 of 35.6 cm from King George V
527 of 20.3 cm from Norfolk
254 of 20.3 cm from Dorsetshire
716 of 15.2 cm from Rodney
660 of 13.3 cm from King George V

Just the examples. And never ever I read about situation: one DD attacks successfully BB. 3-4 simultanously yes, but never one alone. And You want to " tier 5 destroyer manage to kill a tier 6 battleship" one on one?! Can't be serious.

 

Weren't destroyers nick-named battleship killers?

 

I heared something like that in "Battleship" film made by Hasbro, so it has to be true.

 

As a matter of fact killing a tier higher BB with a DD can be done. I did it 2-3 times, when I was extremely lucky. BB was in position hard to manouver, me not. Fired at least 12 torpedoes and great most of the hit. Only in one case survived. Things like this can happen, but do not expect to be successfull in such a case. DDs should attack in packs, not alone.

 

[CloakingDonkey]

Sorry OP but if Battleships are your biggest problem in a destroyer, then you really need to get back in there and play some more, or watch my destroyer guide on saturday

 

Because Battleships are like tasty, tasty snacks if you play it right.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

First of all , in what tier you play ?  i have bunch fun play from t4-5 DDS they kane take BBs in mid diff, also like they can spam more torps its fun play, and ofc bbs main bateries can kill you easy but if u get close to launch torps i dont see any probs , in high tiers yes bb can take u easy since tops way to long reload time

[rakicspatrik]

Unlimited ammo / torps is much fun, because you don't have to fear from you are out of ammo and get killed because this.

[Kyono]

DDs are the bane of my existence when playing my BBs. Those sneaking IJN players with their low spotted range and sneaky torpedo runs have caught me off guard many a time and I have had to watch half my health melt away in two or three hits.

 

When playing a DD, BBs are the main meal for me. Even in my Sims with its 5.5km torp range. Go in like a sneaky Ninja and enjoy the tears of BB Captains as you pound them from bow to stern with torps. Much rage. Such joy.