The Great Naval Battle Manipulation

[it3llig3nc3]

Well without too many words as soon as you turn on ATTEMPTs to gain stars in Naval Battles the calculation of BaseXP at the end of the battle gets nerve wrecking.

Call me suspicious, but isn't it a bit manipulated?

 

Do you have any similar experience like these below? They consumed 3 of my 10 attempts...

 

 

Needed 900BaseXP

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Needed 1500BaseXP

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[DFens_666]

2 of those you atleast won...

i failed with 28 XP at 1550 while losing a battle

 

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[loppantorkel]

Meh, I'd take those close games over my Atlanta game in a tier 9 Standard battle, Ridge, and the enemy team starts dying like flies on the other side of the map. We lose one ship, the enemy team reaches 0 and the game is won before the 10' mark. Most of their team was in the 400xp while most of us in the winning team failed to break 1000xp

[AgarwaenME]

If they wanted to make them harder to do, they would just make them harder to do.

[Yamato942]

For me its a little diffrent thing, i have overall 57wr and in last few days over 60wr but when i turn count on i cant win more then 3-4 battles from 10 whatever i done in battle.

[eliastion]

1 hour ago, it3llig3nc3 said:

Well without too many words as soon as you turn on ATTEMPTs to gain stars in Naval Battles the calculation of BaseXP at the end of the battle gets nerve wrecking.

Call me suspicious, but isn't it a bit manipulated?

 

Do you have any similar experience like these below? They consumed 3 of my 10 attempts...

Wargaming's agenda for today:

1. Conduct a round of Great Naval Battles

2. Hav3 it3llig3nc3 wast3 3 of his att3mpts at N3ARLY cl3aring various XP bars

3. ???

4. Profit!

[hgbn_dk]

May I recommend tin foil hat. If you can't afford a new we also have a nice collection of second hand

[Saltface]

No it is not manipulated.

 

P.S. The earth is flat

 

 

 

[ForlornSailor]

Guess how much I needed here?

 

 

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1600

 

[Xanta99]

<throws in a conspiracy theory>

 

1) Match all EU clans against RU ones

2) Break the EU servers for a full day as soon as the battle phase starts

 

[hgbn_dk]

3 minutes ago, Xanta99 said:

<throws in a conspiracy theory>

 

1) Match all EU clans against RU ones

2) Break the EU servers for a full day as soon as the battle phase starts

 

Actually wouldn't be far fetched

[eliastion]

1 hour ago, Xanta99 said:

<throws in a conspiracy theory>

 

1) Match all EU clans against RU ones

2) Break the EU servers for a full day as soon as the battle phase starts

 

This is brilliant

[it3llig3nc3]

On 3/2/2019 at 9:06 PM, eliastion said:

Wargaming's agenda for today:

1. Conduct a round of Great Naval Battles

2. Hav3 it3llig3nc3 wast3 3 of his att3mpts at N3ARLY cl3aring various XP bars

3. ???

4. Profit!

My point was completely misunderstood but I take the beating so you can laugh at my cost - welcome.

 

However having completed 2 weekends in Naval Battles it is still a phenomenon for me as why my wins and performance is noticeably lower while I'm working on the 10 attempts vs. normal random play.

Besides making jokes about conspiracy theory some may call it psychological effect in a sens that when the stakes are higher people are more stressed to do good result that in practice it deteriorates performance.

 

On top of all that Naval Battles are still a bit of a "pain and fun" for me - as its logic (going for more and more BaseXP incrementally) means that above the 1500XP mark it is almost essential that your team wins over on top of your individual good performance - that means that theoretically you "need to carry the battle". Well, with division it gets a bit more easier.

 

[eliastion]

23 minutes ago, it3llig3nc3 said:

However having completed 2 weekends in Naval Battles it is still a phenomenon for me as why my wins and performance is noticeably lower while I'm working on the 10 attempts vs. normal random play.

Besides making jokes about conspiracy theory some may call it psychological effect in a sens that when the stakes are higher people are more stressed to do good result that in practice it deteriorates performance.

Either it isn't (and you just feel that way subjectively) or it's because you're more conscious of that, causing you to play worse. There's little reason to believe anything else and - most notably - there's just nothing to be gained for WG by rigging matches to prevent people from clearing XP bars. That's extra algorithms that someone would have to come up with and implement - just to do something that generates no value. Why would WG be wasting money like this?

[Igarigen]

3 hours ago, it3llig3nc3 said:

However having completed 2 weekends in Naval Battles it is still a phenomenon for me as why my wins and performance is noticeably lower while I'm working on the 10 attempts vs. normal random play. 

Thats exactly why your perfomance is lower.

[159Hunter]

On 3/2/2019 at 7:34 PM, DFens_666 said:

2 of those you atleast won...

i failed with 28 XP at 1550 while losing a battle

 

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Clearly the fault of @ForlornSailor for not helping his division carry the match. 

 

@ OP: remove your tinfoil hat.

What will WG gain from reducing our XP gain in naval battles? Exactly: nothing, so why would they spend money on it?

Oh you mean: WG targetted you, and only you? Well... do you really think you are that important to WG that they'd pay a coder to code that specific line of code just to annoy you? Really?

[it3llig3nc3]

this for 900XP

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[it3llig3nc3]

On 3/14/2019 at 2:39 PM, eliastion said:

Either it isn't (and you just feel that way subjectively) or it's because you're more conscious of that, causing you to play worse. There's little reason to believe anything else and - most notably - there's just nothing to be gained for WG by rigging matches to prevent people from clearing XP bars. That's extra algorithms that someone would have to come up with and implement - just to do something that generates no value. Why would WG be wasting money like this?

About what WG may gain: I do not think the "gain" from WG's side revolves around causing people directly disappointment.

However if you think it over the simple fact to artificially lower chances to clear XP Bars in Naval Battle does a very positive thing to the game: it increases attendance. This is because players WANT to complete the challenges - thus they keep playing. From this point of view "rigging" the chance to clear XP bars is a good play from WG and very few will suspect that  server attendance is artificially increased. And then the economical factor kicks it: the more people play the more may want to but something from the Premium Shop, so it is more revenue for WG.

 

So the trick of rigging is driving sales --> profit.

 

Makes sense or not?

 

 

[loppantorkel]

2 minutes ago, it3llig3nc3 said:

About what WG may gain: I do not think the "gain" from WG's side revolves around causing people directly disappointment.

However if you think it over the simple fact to artificially lower chances to clear XP Bars in Naval Battle does a very positive thing to the game: it increases attendance. This is because players WANT to complete the challenges - thus they keep playing. From this point of view "rigging" the chance to clear XP bars is a good play from WG and very few will suspect that  server attendance is artificially increased. And then the economical factor kicks it: the more people play the more may want to but something from the Premium Shop, so it is more revenue for WG.

 

So the trick of rigging is driving sales --> profit.

 

Makes sense or not?

Rigging that causes excessive frustration makes no sense.

[GarrusBrutus]

It's just some oil. You gain even if you lose the battle. What is the big fuss about? 

[loppantorkel]

16 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

It's just some oil. You gain even if you lose the battle. What is the big fuss about? 

..but it's his oil and WG is rigging the game to keep it from him

[AgarwaenME]

2 hours ago, it3llig3nc3 said:

simple fact

 

You've provided no facts whatsoever.

[Hawg]

Well the "manipulation" is how often as an EU clan when you are matched with a NA clan, you go to bed on Sunday way ahead to find in the morning that the NA clan beat you by one star.   Time zone advantage is real.

[Juanx]

2 minutes ago, Hawg said:

Well the "manipulation" is how often as an EU clan when you are matched with a NA clan, you go to bed on Sunday way ahead to find in the morning that the NA clan beat you by one star.   Time zone advantage is real.

 

Erm... How?

 

Are you not supposed to be awake before they did? So no real advantage there.

 

Or are you expecting the same results for less effort? Looks like it...

[Hawg]

Well the difference is that unless we stay up until midnight their time, then they know exactly what score they need to win.   We don't.