Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, siulis13 said:

*insert random screenshot*

Nice try, but still not there...

 

And just a clarification for the uninvolved readers. He is actually winning sometimes, but prefers to spam his losses as if they would show something about MM.

[KapteinSabeltann]

Why are you people still posting here? This entire thread is a hoax... PPL was so sick of the horrible MM and balance so they were flooding the forum so everything MM was relegated to this pitfall of a thread. They don't care about what the CC's say so WHY do you THINK they will care at all about any of us that arent. The beta days are over, the days of non-OP premiums are over, the days of non-OP russian ships are over. The game is mid to late life and WG will do what they will do to make money. Good changes to MM we had a while ago were REVERTED (dd mirroring by type) because not statistically relevant...

 

Don't feed the trolls that tell you this thread is worth anything. Check when this thread was openend, then jump in play a few games for a couple of days and see how many of them were rofl-stomps where one side was steamrolled and nobody really had a good game and then THINK... Do you really conclude they care about good MM and Balance?

[ColonelPete]

A bit of bad luck with fire RNG and some people get very salty

 

Just calm down. Better luck next time

[GhettoDog]

Last couple of games, I thought to give the game another try but its just frustrating like this...

[LazyVegetable]

Honestly I'd say the RNG in this joke of a game is more infuriating than the actual matchmaker.

 

Dozens of games in a row, mostly uptiers, fine so be it, do decently well in all of them, always top 3 in base exp, last game that genuinely gave me a headache irl and I'm considering uninstalling again and just abandoning the game? 

 

Shell lands next to me? 5k damage. Shell touches my ship while i'm angled? 6k damage. Shell barely hits the BACK end of my ship? 8k damage. What the **** wargaming.

[Merlin851526]

34 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Nice try, but still not there...

 

And just a clarification for the uninvolved readers. He is actually winning sometimes, but prefers to spam his losses as if they would show something about MM.

Are you saying MM is fine?

[GarrusBrutus]

40 minutes ago, siulis13 said:

re kalos ton malaka ton olando eipa kai ego den tha skasei o blakas

Dude get a hold of yourself. You've got issues. 

[ColonelPete]

43 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

Are you saying MM is fine?

Define fine.

The MM is not without issues, but it gets the job done.

[Merlin851526]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Define fine.

The MM is not without issues, but it gets the job done.

I was just curious, because it seems when someone holds a different view, let's say for instance "MM is broken" you seem to go all out to disprove that assertion. To be fair "MM is not without issues" is a little disingenuous given the mountain of anecdotal  evidence to the contrary over the years. So much so that WG has had to adjust and tweek it several times. 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Merlin851526 said:

I was just curious, because it seems when someone holds a different view, let's say for instance "MM is broken" you seem to go all out to disprove that assertion. To be fair "MM is not without issues" is a little disingenuous given the mountain of anecdotal  evidence to the contrary over the years. So much so that WG has had to adjust and tweek it several times. 

How are the anecdotes contrary to my statement? That would mean MM is without issues. That would be surprising coming from you.

[Merlin851526]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

How are the anecdotes contrary to my statement? That would mean MM is without issues. That would be surprising coming from you.

It's like saying it's only a scratch when you've just broken your arm in Four places.

[ColonelPete]

17 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

It's like saying it's only a scratch when you've just broken your arm in Four places.

No. Contrary to a scratch would be no scratch...

The word you are looking for is understatement. That is when you call the four fractures in your arm a scratch.

 

People on this forum have the weirdest thoughts.

[GarrusBrutus]

6 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

the mountain of anecdotal  evidence to the contrary over the years. So much so that WG has had to adjust and tweek it several times. 

"The mountain of anecdotal evidence" What are these screenshots supposed to proof anyway? Everyone experiences games that are lost from the getgo. It happens. They happened in 2015 and they will happen in 2020.

Be glad the matchmaker is where it is today. It is better balanced than it has ever been. You don't see disproportionate teams in regards of player numbers, ship types and/or tiers anymore. They even fixed the amount of uptiers you are getting farely recently.

 

It is the players themselves who are making teams more unbalanced over the years. Players with no experience fighting players with lots of experience creating a snowball effect that ends the match in 5 minutes. The only thing that will fix this and yet at the same time break the game is skill based mm. But that has been discussed a billion times why it will not work in this game.

 

People will always keep on complaining that they're getting the short end of the stick. They probably are the short end of the stick for other players. 

 

Now, if people just accepted that random means sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, then we wouldn't have had 95 pages of this. 

[gabberworld]

1 hour ago, LazyVegetable said:

 Shell barely hits the BACK end of my ship? 8k damage. What the **** wargaming.

 

 

[siulis13]

1 hour ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Dude get a hold of yourself. You've got issues. 

re salta gamisoy na mauriseis malaka pou tha mou peis esi 

 

[Merlin851526]

16 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

No. Contrary to a scratch would be no scratch...

The word you are looking for is understatement. That is when you call the four fractures in your arm a scratch.

 

People on this forum have the weirdest thoughts.

Now, now let's not play this pedantic game Pete. All I said was your statement regarding "MM is not without issues" was disingenuous and it certainly was given all we know currently.  Oh and "People on this forum have the weirdest thoughts" Now that is a proper understatement

[Bear__Necessities]

MM is fine. End of discussion. 

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

MM is fine. End of discussion. 

 

But But, i want to make faildivision, be toptier and get carried by super unicums every game, damnit, WG FIX MM

[LazyVegetable]

3 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

MM is fine. End of discussion. 

If MM is fine, then why is it that so far over 90 games, 64% of them are uptiers.....

 

50-55% would be acceptable, but 64%? That's really not fine. The lowest it's gotten was 56%, from that point on it only climbed and climbed constantly.

[Bear__Necessities]

28 minutes ago, LazyVegetable said:

If MM is fine, then why is it that so far over 90 games, 64% of them are uptiers.....

 

50-55% would be acceptable, but 64%? That's really not fine. The lowest it's gotten was 56%, from that point on it only climbed and climbed constantly.

Being up tiered isn't a problem. So, like I said. MM is fine. Best it's been in 5 years. 

[ColonelPete]

6 hours ago, Merlin851526 said:

All I said was your statement regarding "MM is not without issues" was disingenuous...

But it has issues, or not? How would you state it?

[Sunleader]

Currentlly we have +1 -1 MM until T4 I think. So Starting T5 the Ships can move +2 -2 Tiers.

But this also means. That they can Jump a Threshold where this really Hurts.

And that is between T7 and T8 because there alot of the Game Changes. Most Ships in T8 are by Default Equipped with Weapons that will Overmatch 25mm Armor. And have 32mm Bows themselves that can no longer be Overmatched.

Radar gets Introduced for some Cruisers. DDs Start getting Extra Concealment and thus getting bigger Stealth Torping Ranges And CVs start becoming extremely Relevant to the Match Outcome etc etc.

 

So why not put a bit of Block there ?

T7 Ships could get a +1 -1 MM Instead. So they at least cant go into T9

T7 Ships start being heavily Outmatched in T8. Because in T8 alot of Mechanics start Disadvantaging them. But while thats Bad. This can be Dealt with to some Degree as long as your not the Lone T7 Ship in a T8 Battle. Which Wargaming has Primised to Fix somewhat already. T6 in T8 happens more rarely and you usually have more T7s along which still fall into the same Mechanic which makes it more Bearable as well.

 

But when your one of 3 T7 Ships in T9 its Truly Horrible. Because your basicly Food.

As a BB you can be Overmatched by everyone and his Mom and your Guns often just dont Hurt others.

As a Cruiser your Armor is Generally a Joke and you lack most Utility and Range so you cant really do anything if you want to stay alive and your Influence becomes super Situational.

As a DD you lack Concealment Module and Torpedo Range. And Generally are Outgunned by enemy DDs which on top also Outspot you.

 

Limiting T7 to only go up to T8 and not into T9 would help Introducing Players to the new Higher Tier Mechanics. While at the same Time not throwing them to the Wolves there.

It would also Nerf the current T9 Position a bit. Which tends to fare extremely well. Because T9 Generally is close to T10 Capabilities already (as there is pretty much no Mechanic Changes between T8 and T10) and cant be Uptiered beyond T10 anyways. Thus getting a +1 -2 MM by Default.

Hence making T7 a bit more Attractive for Playing again.

 

[CptBarney]

6 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Being up tiered isn't a problem. So, like I said. MM is fine. Best it's been in 5 years. 

Although to make balans less mental they could have +1 and -1 for all tier groups.

This game could do with a mode like frontlines and call it waterlines (lol).

 

At least then you can have moar cv's (3+) all the german cv's on one side, enty's on the other

[Bear__Necessities]

2 hours ago, CptBarney said:

Although to make balans less mental they could have +1 and -1 for all tier groups.

This game could do with a mode like frontlines and call it waterlines (lol).

 

At least then you can have moar cv's (3+) all the german cv's on one side, enty's on the other

Whats wrong with actually being given a challenge. I don't get it. Why do so many players want easy mode all the time. If players don't like MM and a challenge. Play Co-op. I'd rather throw my T7 around in a T9 game, have a challenge and be rewarded with better credits and exp rather than have a constant baby buffer of only +1 in place. 

[GhettoDog]

I dont know, I just started replaying after a siesta and i started grinding the lines that were still open to me. I skipped T1-3 and T4 was sorry but just not fun with all the CVs, yeah yeah I know, they were before in the game but not so potent. 
What I saw on T5 and T6 a lot of times is on one side all players except 2 that participated in ranked play and on other side just 2,  I can off course accept that you can take participating to ranked games not really into a factor for MM otherwise people maybe not want to join ranked but still odd that you have this 'randomness'.
And if i may say, another thing that does not make sense is MM not taking divisions into account, ok ok  I agree there are always idiot division rather wanna see if 2 or 3  BBs can actually mate with each other at the border of the map, but mostly being in a division IS a factor.
Seeing then everybody on one side except 2 in a division and your own side just 2 in a div the rest solo well forget about vaseline boys its gonna hurt...

On higher tiers it feels more ok and better balanced and I dont have the same issues there...

I played years of WOT and yeah MM is a thing people are always talking about mostly because well they suck (yes prob like me), but MM is such a big factor in a game like wows, and for me on mid tiers something is not ok. (and to clarify i am not talking about tier diff, thats part of the game...)