Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Floofz]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

There is no WR unicum in my clan...

Division games are only around 8% my battles, you play relativly more in divisions than me...

 

Btw. you evaded my question about Tier I-IV.

 

What I linked is your solo stats. There is a significant difference between your solo WR and your division WR, so obviously what youre saying is false. Infact your stats are very very similar to mine in solo WR throuout the tiers. Except I have a siginificantly higher PR and Average damage compared to you.

 

I have not seen a question about tier I-IV. And even so its unimportant. You can boost your stats in low tiers by playing OP DDs like Clemson or Isokaze or cruisers like Dougay Trouin. You can also wreck them by playing BBs that cant hit anything.

[ColonelPete]

17 minutes ago, Floofz said:

What I linked is your solo stats. There is a significant difference between your solo WR and your division WR, so obviously what youre saying is false.

I know my solo stats. Please prove how "There is no WR unicum in my clan... Division games are only around 8% my battles, you play relativly more in divisions than me..."

is wrong. These are facts. Take a calculator if you need to, but it should be obvious without one.

19 minutes ago, Floofz said:

I have not seen a question about tier I-IV. And even so its unimportant. You can boost your stats in low tiers by playing OP DDs like Clemson or Isokaze or cruisers like Dougay Trouin. You can also wreck them by playing BBs that cant hit anything.

And you not paying attention is one of your issues...

52 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

But please explain to me why you think your performance on Tier I to IV is so much better. Are the players more skilled there?

 

[Bartleby74]

Ahhh, this thread. I keep an eye on it each time WG comes with a helluva comeback offer, as those offers keep becoming more and more generous (i.e., WG is growing increasingly desperate) and from reading the last pages of this thread I see that things are the same or worse as they were when I decided to quit, and WG isn't fixing them. So, whatever. Keep sending in comeback offers WG, they're fun to read and tempting, but this thread -ah, this thread!- is the perfect cure for warship nostalgia.

 

 

 

[GarrusBrutus]

2 hours ago, siulis13 said:

maybe you need some brain to understand what topic and players said.or you get paid to said malakies papara

You dont see mee whine and cry about how unfair matchmaking is do you?

Now if you played really good and lost a lot of games I'd say "Yeah that is really unlucky.".
But you played reeeeeeaaaally bad and your winrate reflects that. That has nothing to do with your team nor with the enemy team.

Players will never improve until they acknowledge the (negative) impact they have on their own chances of winning. Once you realise how bad you are, only then can you start to improve your standard of play and in return your winrate.

But please stop crying that matchmaking is crap because you really make a fool out of yourself by doing so.

It is like a kid who didnt do his homework who cries that he gets a bad grade on his test.

Right now you are exactly the reason why matchmaking appears to be bad: Players having no clue how to stay alive and deal damage, but always on the frontlines proclaiming they have a monopoly on wisdom.

[Floofz]

24 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I know my solo stats. Please prove how "There is no WR unicum in my clan... Division games are only around 8% my battles, you play relativly more in divisions than me..."

is wrong. These are facts. Take a calculator if you need to, but it should be obvious without one.

And you not paying attention is one of your issues...

 

 

Oh for the love of god, look at your SOLO WINRATE. You only have 50% WR solo in tier 10. Where as you have 57% in divisions. Clearly your divisions are boosting your WR. You still have over 300 games at tier 10 solo so dont make up excuses. You cant use my stats as an argument and then angle and use your own in a different manner just to make a point. We have almost identical WR across the tiers when comparing solo to solo except for me having a much higher PR and average damage.

 

And I already explained the tier 1-4 winrate in my previous post. Its called sealclubbing. Its significantly easier to carry low tier games in strong ships, especially destroyers.

But yes, 1-9 games are WAY better balanced than tier 10 games and I have to wonder why. Almost all tier 10 games are complete roflstomps in one direction which is most likely why the WR looks so vastly different in tier 10 compared to other tiers, since you have a much lower chance of affecting the outcome compared to other tiers.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Floofz said:

Oh for the love of god, look at your SOLO WINRATE. You only have 50% WR solo in tier 10. Where as you have 57% in divisions. Clearly your divisions are boosting your WR.

And? That does not change the fact that you play in relation more in division than me and that my divisions are not unicum divisions. And yes, my three man divisions have a better WR than my solo games, hardly surprising, while my two man divisions have even worse WR than solo as I did some tutoring.

1 hour ago, Floofz said:

And I already explained the tier 1-4 winrate in my previous post. Its called sealclubbing. Its significantly easier to carry low tier games in strong ships, especially destroyers.

... since you have a much lower chance of affecting the outcome compared to other tiers. 

And now you understand why WR depends on Tier as the average skill level of the opposition changes over the Tiers. That is one of the reasons most players WR decreases with Tier, as I already explained to you months ago...

 

And that is why it is not surprising that your daily results change when you change Tiers, apart from the RNG effect on the low number of games.

 

 

[Floofz]

3 hours ago, Bartleby74 said:

Ahhh, this thread. I keep an eye on it each time WG comes with a helluva comeback offer, as those offers keep becoming more and more generous (i.e., WG is growing increasingly desperate) and from reading the last pages of this thread I see that things are the same or worse as they were when I decided to quit, and WG isn't fixing them. So, whatever. Keep sending in comeback offers WG, they're fun to read and tempting, but this thread -ah, this thread!- is the perfect cure for warship nostalgia.

 

 

 

 

Tbh the game is mostly good its just tier 10 thats terrible.

Althou I suspect the roflstomp plague will spread to lower tiers aswell. It destroyed world of tanks so theres no reason why it wont happen here.

[Bartleby74]

5 hours ago, Floofz said:

 

Tbh the game is mostly good its just tier 10 thats terrible.

Althou I suspect the roflstomp plague will spread to lower tiers aswell. It destroyed world of tanks so theres no reason why it wont happen here.

 

The problem is that Tier X is the goal and the end of the road. I didn't played to collect Yamato, Montana, Kurfurst, Des Moines, Minotaur, Gearing and Midway so they were unusable because of the abysmal player (lack of) attitude leading to the 10 minute meta. One side refuses to win and that's all, toss a coin, maybe it's your side or the other, but each defeat will sink you closer to the level of those who never try to win as your WR tanks. Tier 10 used to be bad because sh*t players couldn't advance further up the ladder and just filled the ranks of tier X battles... and then the 10 minute meta came as players reached Tier X just by grinding XP in one-trick ships.

[siulis13]

new improves in mm!!!!! nice job wg

[ColonelPete]

Vor 1 Stunde, siulis13 sagte:

*edit*

Do not project your character on others...

[ForlornSailor]

35 minutes ago, siulis13 said:

new improves in mm!!!!! nice job wg

 

https://wows-numbers.com/player/543931771,siulis13/

 

 

[Merlin851526]

4 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

https://wows-numbers.com/player/543931771,siulis13/

 

 

You would think with the amount of posts you have here, you would know some of the forum rules. Particularly the stat shaming one. What were you trying to achieve? 

[ForlornSailor]

Just now, Merlin851526 said:

You would think with the amount of posts you have here, you would know some of the forum rules. Particularly the stat shaming one. What were you trying to achieve? 

 

I didnt shame? what did I say? its numbers. facts.

and hint: but his last posts into google translater.

[Carnivore81]

removed some post . Please english only. .

[Merlin851526]

45 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

I didnt shame? what did I say? its numbers. facts.

and hint: but his last posts into google translater.

Yes you did, and everyone who saw your post knows exactly what you did. At least have the maturity to own up to it.

[ForlornSailor]

43 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

At least have the maturity to own up to it.

 

Yea, obviously you are the only one around here judging his skill - sounds like you are shaming him ;)

 

 

[Bear__Necessities]

1 hour ago, Merlin851526 said:

Yes you did, and everyone who saw your post knows exactly what you did.

Yes. His post highlighted without a doubt that bad MM isn’t the problem for his losses. I’d say that’s some bang on posting right there.

[Merlin851526]

29 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Yea, obviously you are the only one around here judging his skill - sounds like you are shaming him ;)

 

 

Yeah! nice try to try and turn this on me, won't work. Here's a tip. When your being holier-than-thou you need to be consistent. I'm not defending him per se, but when I see someone trying to stat shame it's usually because they have no other argument. Moreover your futile attempt to defect from your behaviour only proves that. 

[Merlin851526]

1 minute ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Yes. His post highlighted without a doubt that bad MM isn’t the problem for his losses. I’d say that’s some bang on posting right there.

You can defend his behavior all you want. It's still stat shaming and there is a very good reason why it's against the rules.

[Bear__Necessities]

2 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

You can defend his behavior all you want. It's still stat shaming and there is a very good reason why it's against the rules.

 No. There is a clear difference in highlighting hypocrisy combined with player denial and stat shaming. I suggest the next player that bring in an MM is rigged post assess their own standing better. The same as is expected at the top levels of every debate. Come armed with facts and evidence not useless feelings.

[Merlin851526]

5 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

 No. There is a clear difference in highlighting hypocrisy combined with player denial and stat shaming. I suggest the next player that bring in an MM is rigged post assess their own standing better. The same as is expected at the top levels of every debate. Come armed with facts and evidence not useless feelings.

You don't have to stat shame to form an argument or to highlight hypocrisy no matter how indignant you may feel. Anyway its academic now as it's in the hands of the moderators.

[ForlornSailor]

5 minutes ago, Merlin851526 said:

You don't have to stat shame to form an argument or to highlight hypocrisy no matter how indignant you may feel. Anyway its academic now as it's in the hands of the moderators.

 

I posted his stats to tell him: "yea you are right. its obvious from your stats, the bad matchmaking makes you lose a lot. it proofs you are right." And then you came and started talking about stat shaming. Twist it all you want and cry for moderators, but the only one, that called his stats our as beeing bad was - you. well played player.

[Merlin851526]

13 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

I posted his stats to tell him: "yea you are right. its obvious from your stats, the bad matchmaking makes you lose a lot. it proofs you are right." And then you came and started talking about stat shaming. Twist it all you want and cry for moderators, but the only one, that called his stats our as beeing bad was - you. well played player.

You just don't get it.I'll try one more time to explain it to you. What you did is the very definition of stat shaming. It doesn't matter how many absurd justifications you make. No one is twisting anything here except you. Stop insulting people's intelligence with your puerile nonsense. Now! away with you I'm done. 

[ForlornSailor]

Ah we are going down that road now?

 

 

Listen buddy: you dont make the rules. You cant judge what I said and what not. You are not in the position to claim, you read something between the lines - especially when there are no lines. And you cant change the fact, that you are the absolutly only one here, that judged his stats. That must really hurt you huh? You cant admit it can you? You opened his stats and drew a conclusion. THIS was literally in YOUR head: "what a bad player". In YOUR head, just to make it clear.

 

Here is another link

 

https://wows-numbers.com/player/540427929,ForlornSailor/

 

here have another one

 

https://wows-numbers.com/player/515014478,Bear__Necessities/

 

im posting links. need more links? ok.

 

https://wows-numbers.com/player/540423429,DFens_666/

 

Now tell me what im doing here.

[159Hunter]

33 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

Now tell me what im doing here.

Showing the stats of the ppl that carry you to your stats 

 

A question though, does mm take number of battles into account? I mean, i like an influx of new players but when my 4 BB combined don't even have the amount of battles as the enemy BB with the least battles played (1300) then you already have a big drawback from the start.