Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[BruceRKF]

14 minutes ago, rnat said:

There are tools for despair right from the start in the modpack if you're interested ^^

Nope, I'd rather not take the last bit of enjoyment out of such games. As they say: ignorance is bliss

[ColonelPete]

26 minutes ago, BruceRKF said:

... As they say: ignorance is bliss

...and gives better results as the chance to give up too early is reduced.

[icyged]

Hi there,

 

As someone struggling to get some confidence to fight in Random Battles, I find every now and then that as my team seem to get zapped in very short order, then answer as to why becomes very apparent. In the Team Score tab its obvious that our team stood little chance given the game experience of the opposing side. I know from good experience that good comms is crucial, or at least a benefit. Such is the case of players, mostly premium account holders who do a lot of clan wars and use higher level ship. This pic illustrates exactly the case. Gratz to the other team!

I have seen this this unfair matchmaking , in my humble opinion too often of late, and its witheringly tough to take, and just crack on again. I love this game, and getting a team of lemmings, when you are trying to hold onto an objective as the others slide off is a nightmare. I rarely use battleships, as team play is important, and an escort is not a given, sadly.

Wishing you all great gaming and best of health.

Icyged

[ColonelPete]

6 hours ago, icyged said:

Hi there,

 

As someone struggling to get some confidence to fight in Random Battles, I find every now and then that as my team seem to get zapped in very short order, then answer as to why becomes very apparent. In the Team Score tab its obvious that our team stood little chance given the game experience of the opposing side. I know from good experience that good comms is crucial, or at least a benefit. Such is the case of players, mostly premium account holders who do a lot of clan wars and use higher level ship. This pic illustrates exactly the case. Gratz to the other team!

I have seen this this unfair matchmaking , in my humble opinion too often of late, and its witheringly tough to take, and just crack on again. I love this game, and getting a team of lemmings, when you are trying to hold onto an objective as the others slide off is a nightmare. I rarely use battleships, as team play is important, and an escort is not a given, sadly.

Wishing you all great gaming and best of health.

Icyged

Yes, so unfair...

[Major1999]

On 3/21/2020 at 8:20 PM, HP3070 said:

88 pages and most of you still don't get it :D

MM is garbage. WG won't fix it. EOT

Yes, it looks exactly like that, the MM is since start of WOWS mostly garbage, looks like they dont care.

Maybe because some players dont want to loose their free damage pinatas

[LazyVegetable]

It's interesting how people say there's some sort of rule that eventually makes you be top tier instead of bottom. I have yet to hit that fallback in the program, I am on 7 uptiers in a row, and yes, I am documenting every game I play.

 

I am constantly uptiered and it is extremely frustrating.

 

T6 vs T8 constantly is not fun, T7 vs T9 constantly is not fun, hell, even T7 vs T8 is not fun because the jump in power is immense. Having the matches happen every now and then is w.e, having them happen CONSTANTLY is a problem.

[Sambor0]

17 hours ago, Major1999 said:

Yes, it looks exactly like that, the MM is since start of WOWS mostly garbage, looks like they dont care.

Maybe because some players dont want to loose their free damage pinatas

But also players don't care to learn just press W and S! Is so frustrating see people wit a few k battles and still don't know how to play!

 

[Sambor0]

The worst that WG doesn't give a crap about MM. They want earn money not giving nothing instead! Russian ideology!

[Skyee_8492]

On 2/25/2019 at 9:41 AM, bloodynicknames said:

Radar isnt that much of an issue but goddamnit, T8 MM is pure torture.

Im playing Cleveland atm as im grinding to Wooster and its a major pita.

 

Worst was yesterday, T10 match, exclusively T10 except me on my team and a cleveland on the other team ... basically ended up just hugging islands trying to pretend im not there most of the time.

The 2 tier spread is fine up to T8 as ships arent that powerful but T10 is just way out there. 

I was in a game the other day with a Zara in a T9 match XD Wth was he gonna go, SAP shell em to death. He stood no chance and just ended up island hugging till he and no choice but to move, He was quickly sunk in short order 

[DFens_666]

49 minutes ago, Skyee_8492 said:

I was in a game the other day with a Zara in a T9 match XD Wth was he gonna go, SAP shell em to death. He stood no chance and just ended up island hugging till he and no choice but to move, He was quickly sunk in short order 

 

I dont see the issue

 

Was it an awesome game? not really. But i played within limitations of my ship. The spawn was horrible enough for our division, as we were at C, and the rest of our team went to A. While we had to face mostly T9 ships. Lucky for us, the Black and Fletcher didnt continue to chase us, because they were at our cap aswell.

[Skyee_8492]

4 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

I dont see the issue

 

Was it an awesome game? not really. But i played within limitations of my ship. The spawn was horrible enough for our division, as we were at C, and the rest of our team went to A. While we had to face mostly T9 ships. Lucky for us, the Black and Fletcher didnt continue to chase us, because they were at our cap aswell.

Like a pro man, Nice job!

[LazyVegetable]

Out of a small sample of 22 games, 63% have been uptiers. I've had 7 uptiers in a row, the list will keep growing as I play and add data on it, however, 63% uptiers in 22 games I would say is pretty terrible. As for the 7 uptiers in a row, where exactly is that fallback rule that will make you so you are top tier if you get too many uptiers? 

 

Most people I know if they get uptiered 3 or 4 times they're already done with the game for at least 2 days before trying it again.

[ColonelPete]

15 minutes ago, LazyVegetable said:

Out of a small sample of 22 games, 63.63% have been uptiers. I've had 7 uptiers in a row, the list will keep growing as I play and add data on it, however, 63% uptiers in 22 games I would say is pretty terrible. As for the 7 uptiers in a row, where exactly is that fallback rule that will make you so you are top tier if you get too many uptiers? 

 

Most people I know if they get uptiered 3 or 4 times they're already done with the game for at least 2 days before trying it again.

I suggest you play 20 battles on ONE Tier, then you will see it.

[LazyVegetable]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

I suggest you play 20 battles on ONE Tier, then you will see it.

Will do over the weekend, that was already on the list. If you have any other suggestions feel free to tell me.

[Sambor0]

Going down all the time 

[Sambor0]

Going down all the time 

[Pururut]

Well... I guess it was foolish to expect this forum to be exempt from a mega thread of this nature. At least it is not 500 pages+700 deleted pages long like the one in WoT Blitz but sadly the arguments are nearly identical. I am just gonna drop my opinion regarding the proposed +1/-1 matchmaker I saw here and there in this forum.You guys dont want that. Wargaming tried it in WoT Blitz like 4 years ago. Initially it made the games a lot more balanced and enjoyable but on the long run Wargaming completely lost its vision and in a bid to replace its unbalanced mm based monetary model, it ruined the enjoyability of the game by pumping it full of overpowered tier 7-8 premiums, continously making Puerto Rico like obtainable through cash events, readjusting/standardizing all of tier 7-8 vehicles to make them competitive against tier 8 premiums with exclusive focus on firepower and armor while screwing over mobile tanks and tier 5-6 consecutively. Mobility lost its once dominant aspect and the games gradually became more static. Of course Wargaming has different development teams for their different titles but the core concepts regarding tiering and monetization is the same for both . As such it is much better for WoWs to have 2+/2- spread no matter how unfair it is for the tried and tested alternative is a lot more detrimental to the game in the long run. 

 

 

[LazyVegetable]

12 hours ago, Greek_Patriot said:

Ok mister Beta WG tester with 408 battles. I guess with your vast experience and of course your impartiality you know better. You just answered Pete for me on why people dont even bother critisizing here. Thanks!! As hundreds like me i will stop complaining and writing here and above all stop excepting an improvement.

Resorting to ad-hominems, that's about what I expected of you. 

 

Do you have any actual arguments or any sort of data to prove that the current matchmaker is harmful, uptiers happen way too often and something needs to be adjusted? Or is all you do try to insult others?

[hastatoputina66]

I WOULD LIKE SPEAK TO men OF WG! [edited] WITH A [edited] OF MATCH MAKING THAT YOU HAVE BUILT!

[ColonelPete]

47 minutes ago, hastatoputina66 said:

I WOULD LIKE SPEAK TO men OF WG! [edited] WITH A [edited] OF MATCH MAKING THAT YOU HAVE BUILT!

Looks like someone wants to take a forum break...

[hastatoputina66]

8 rank 1 against nothing...how can finish this match????????????????????????????????????????????????

[ColonelPete]

17 minutes ago, hastatoputina66 said:

8 rank 1 against nothing...how can finish this match????????????????????????????????????????????????

Easy, play it.

Food for thought:

[Sambor0]

In over a week 0.4% WR down. Random battles? Ha ha ha! It's nothing about random games in WOWS! No help on caps with radar ships just away from everything and suicide on the end when is to late for anything!

[Allied_Winter]

Posts had to be edited or removed. Please stay on topic and don't resort to insults, harassment or political discussions.

[Sambor0]

And another game! WG ell done!