Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Kalonianhydra]

6 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That happens to other players too.

It shouldn't happen to anyone.
It should be 6 -6 in that case.
Last Battle, our team sunk 3 ships, 2 by me. How [edited]fun is that?

[SmegTheNoob]

1 minute ago, Kalonianhydra said:

It shouldn't happen to anyone.
It should be 6 -6 in that case.
Last Battle, our team sunk 3 ships, 2 by me. How [edited]fun is that?

Wargaming will NEVER move to a skill based matchmaker.

 

So it is pointless complaining about the quality of the players on your team.

[ColonelPete]

13 minutes ago, Kalonianhydra said:

It shouldn't happen to anyone.
It should be 6 -6 in that case.
Last Battle, our team sunk 3 ships, 2 by me. How [edited]fun is that?

WG did not promise us that. Everyone has to deal with it. How well you deal with it, is a sign of skill.

[Kalonianhydra]

6 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

WG did not promise us that. Everyone has to deal with it. How well you deal with it, is a sign of skill.

What a load of bull.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, Kalonianhydra said:

What a load of bull.

Please show us

[Yosha_AtaIante]

3 minutes ago, Kalonianhydra said:

What a load of bull.

thats what you think but it's the truth. Probably also the reason why you hide your stats. Everyone is affected by the MM the same way.

[Ruth_clifton]

HOW  can  you  cap  if  the  red  hide all  the  time

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, Ruth_clifton said:

HOW  can  you  cap  if  the  red  hide all  the  time

What hat this do with MM?

And when they hide all the time, capping should be easy.

[Ruth_clifton]

go  a  way  colonelpete

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Ruth_clifton said:

go  a  way  colonelpete

I did and will do it again tomorrow.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

23 minutes ago, Ruth_clifton said:

HOW  can  you  cap  if  the  red  hide all  the  time

how does this even make sense?

[Bear__Necessities]

Ahhh this thread is the real gift that keeps giving. 

[CptMinia]

Hello,

          I've cleaned up the last few pages. Clearly there is a variation in the definition of what constitutes 'naming & shaming' and 'discussing moderation'.

 

While I have not found evidence of either, the insinuation or accusations of others violating the CoC, EULA or ToS such as 'account sharing' is against the forum rules.

 

Kind regards,

                       Minia

[CptMinia]

On 1/7/2023 at 3:12 PM, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

its just people trying to cancel pete and failing horribly 

Are you sure about that?

On 1/19/2023 at 5:48 PM, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

most are and your failed attempt at making a good looking reroll proves that.

 

What Flosen said is true. Bottom tier or not a bad player is a bad player. Your own performance proves it.

 

*edit*

Hello Yoshanai. I really don't think you're one to discuss others' re-roll accounts... I find it rather ironic.

On 1/19/2023 at 6:09 PM, SmegTheNoob said:

Thanks for that show of bravado.

I will take it at face value, and ignore it altogether.

Pete has a point though. Being bottom-tier does not guarantee failure to perform. Trying to suggest otherwise with generalised statements while completely ignoring evidence is hardly aspiring.

On 1/21/2023 at 2:57 PM, SmegTheNoob said:

Wargaming will NEVER move to a skill based matchmaker.

 

So it is pointless complaining about the quality of the players on your team.

They also said there would never be submarines, there would never be guns bigger than 460mm, there would never be tier 9 or 10 'premiums' for sale... there's a bit of a list frankly.

 

While skill-based matchmaking is highly unlikely to be introduced due not only to the nature of the game, but the process of development and balance; WarGaming has learnt to 'never say never' and the community has also learnt to never take their word at face value.

20 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Ahhh this thread is the real gift that keeps giving. 

Doesn't it just? 

[LABRAT_1UK]

11 minutes ago, CptMinia said:

'account sharing' is against the forum rules.

I thought "account sharing " was permitted according to the last Easter Hunt fiasco  

[Yosha_AtaIante]

3 minutes ago, CptMinia said:

Hello Yoshanai. I really don't think you're one to discuss others' re-roll accounts... I find it rather ironic.

Funny. I think you don't understand the difference between a reroll and alternative account.

Do you think any of the 8+other accounts of mine are rerolls considering my performance on the main account? Do you see me going around coping on my alt accounts to make stats look good? No idea why you even use Yoshanai as a name suggesting that people on here don't know me.

4 minutes ago, CptMinia said:

Are you sure about that?

Are you going to say that people who tell Pete to stop talking don't exist?

You should know quite well how often his posts get, you know what i mean. I am not allowed to talk openly about it according to the rules 

[SmegTheNoob]

21 minutes ago, CptMinia said:

Pete has a point though. Being bottom-tier does not guarantee failure to perform. Trying to suggest otherwise with generalised statements while completely ignoring evidence is hardly aspiring.

 

They also said there would never be submarines, there would never be guns bigger than 460mm, there would never be tier 9 or 10 'premiums' for sale... there's a bit of a list frankly.

 

While skill-based matchmaking is highly unlikely to be introduced due not only to the nature of the game, but the process of development and balance; WarGaming has learnt to 'never say never' and the community has also learnt to never take their word at face value.

Doesn't it just? 

I never said that you can't perform when bottom tier.

I quoted an example of playing a bottom tier light cruiser.

But do tell me what evidence I am ignoring?

We are not all Super Unicom players.

Me personally, if I get into a game where I am bottom tier.

75% of the time, I think to myself "its pointless playing".

Esp if I there are 2 CV's and 2 stupid Submarines on each team.

 

Oh and trust me, Wargaming will never move to a skill based matchmaker.

They will never move to +1 -1 either.

 

Oh and I wouldn't take any of Wargaming's words at face value.

Even if they were written down in front of me in a legally binding contract.

I wouldn't believe it, because Wargaming have a well known track record of ignoring their own player base.

 

Personally, my win rate has taken a nose dive since the introduction of Submarines into the game.

Sooner or later, you will lose me as a regular player.

I have already practically stopped playing Random Battles.

Funny that isn't it.

Trust me, Wargaming are berating more players than they are pleasing with the stupid CV rework and Submarines.

 

Oh and if anybody wants to know. This is NOT a re-roll account, it is an alternate account that I happen to play the most with.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Personally, my win rate has taken a nose dive since the introduction of Submarines into the game.

Which has nothing to do with subs, otherwise anyone not playing subs would experience the same thing.

5 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

I never said that you can't perform when bottom tier.

You just gave the impression that any ship can sink you easily without any effort.

On 1/19/2023 at 6:37 PM, SmegTheNoob said:

Plus, I am sick of the old, "you can still do damage in a bottom tier ship" argument.

Try playing a tier 5 light cruiser in a tier 7 battle.

Same goes for other tiers too.

When you are bottom tier, you may not have the range to hit enemy ships.

But at the same time, an enemy ship only has to break wind in your general direction, to sink you.

[Lhgv99]

In general (and I know I am probably going to get slammed for this opinion)  I think that balance has been fetishized and there is just too much emphasis on it.  Yes the battles should be more or less in balance in that the participants should be of more or less equaly ability but, balancing the capabilities and attributes of various same-level ships, balancing the maps so that neither side has an obvious advantage, balancing balancing, balancing everything is just starting to make the game dull and boring - IMO.  I have played for about 6 years and I am (very) far from a star player but OMG couldnt the game be a little more interesting if certain ships were better than others, or certain maps gave advantages to one side or the other?  It would require different strategies and techniques depending on who you were fighting or where the battele was taking place.  What fun that could be!

Just my opinion. You dont need to slag me.

[CptMinia]

53 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

I never said that you can't perform when bottom tier.

I quoted an example of playing a bottom tier light cruiser.

But do tell me what evidence I am ignoring?

We are not all Super Unicom players.

Me personally, if I get into a game where I am bottom tier.

75% of the time, I think to myself "its pointless playing".

Esp if I there are 2 CV's and 2 stupid Submarines on each team.

Then you're not expressing your argument across accurately. And if you think it's 'pointless playing' then allow me to say that other games are available.

53 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Oh and trust me, Wargaming will never move to a skill based matchmaker.

They will never move to +1 -1 either.

I'm not trusting you, I don't need to take your word for it either.

53 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Personally, my win rate has taken a nose dive since the introduction of Submarines into the game.

Skill issue.

53 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Sooner or later, you will lose me as a regular player.

Don't see how that affects me.

53 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Trust me, Wargaming are berating more players than they are pleasing with the stupid CV rework and Submarines.

You have any evidence? Then I might trust you.

1 hour ago, Zuihou_Kai_Ni said:

Funny. I think you don't understand the difference between a reroll and alternative account.

Do you think any of the 8+other accounts of mine are rerolls considering my performance on the main account? Do you see me going around coping on my alt accounts to make stats look good? No idea why you even use Yoshanai as a name suggesting that people on here don't know me.

Are you going to say that people who tell Pete to stop talking don't exist?

You should know quite well how often his posts get, you know what i mean. I am not allowed to talk openly about it according to the rules 

There are very few reasons as to why one would create new accounts. And even fewer which are a 'good' reason. Considering you once did so to conceal your identity from your clanmates in THESO, 'joining' the clan with a new WG ID and Discord ID and proceeded to deceive us for months while maintaining your previous identity with us; even to the extent that you would have discussions between your own accounts. So as I suggested, I have ample reason to believe that you are not one to argue about the ethics of having multiple accounts. I know you reached out in private to me about this and frankly I don't want to argue about it, but I feel morally bound to at least provide the context to my calling you out. 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

3 hours ago, CptMinia said:

I know you reached out in private to me about this and frankly I don't want to argue about it, but I feel morally bound to at least provide the context to my calling you out. 

That's fine, it's only fair for others to understand this within a certain context.

 

3 hours ago, CptMinia said:

you are not one to argue about the ethics of having multiple accounts

The ethics were never the focus anyway. I still believe this to be a misunderstanding or rather you might be viewing the usage of such accounts all the same. I doubt you remember anyone else do what I did though. So this is certainly an isolated case and can not be put into the same pot as "rerolls". The idea of a reroll is to literally reroll ones stats. That's not what I was doing. Rerolling in itself is not bad per se. So my case is special in it's own way. The THESO thing is resolved at this point too. It really has nothing to do with the concept of rerolling.
As for other reasons why to create alternative accounts besides pretending and rerolling? Here is one example

An account I created with the sole purpose of playing only Shiratsuyu class DDs. I bought Yudachi while it was still available and played her so much as to have enough free xp to immediately skip to Shiratsuyu without playing any other ship inbetween ever.

This makes this account unique and since WG changed the way you do things you are forced to play a battle in a t1 ship now. So you can't make a clean account anymore today. So it's literally impossible. It was fun for the challenge also. Playing a t7 DD without a captain from the first battle on is difficult.

Since rules aren't forbidding the creation of such accounts or any number of them per user there is in itself nothing inherently bad or questionable about it.

 

3 hours ago, CptMinia said:

I don't want to argue about it

You don't need to but I have the right to set straight my motives. And I never accused anyone in this topic to have done remotely the same as I did in the case you offered. I was rude is true though. So sorry about this @SmegTheNoob.

[SmegTheNoob]

10 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Which has nothing to do with subs, otherwise anyone not playing subs would experience the same thing.

You just gave the impression that any ship can sink you easily without any effort.

 

1. Well what would be the reason? Or is it just coincidence that my win rate started to nose dive right after Submarines were fully introduced.

A player does not suddenly get bad at the game.

 

2. I did not give the impression that any ship can easily be sunk when bottom tier.

I was quoting light cruisers. Esp tier 5 light cruisers.

[Gudgeon]

Thread open since 2019, nothing changes, teams just get worse and worse. Regardless of the class you play, you can guarantee that a player or two in another classes will send themselves back to port in two minutes and the next stomp begins. Things will never change. And this happens at tier 10 and superships........

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, SmegTheNoob said:

1. Well what would be the reason? Or is it just coincidence that my win rate started to nose dive right after Submarines were fully introduced.

A player does not suddenly get bad at the game.

 

2. I did not give the impression that any ship can easily be sunk when bottom tier.

I was quoting light cruisers. Esp tier 5 light cruisers.

1. That is for you to analyze. There can be many reasons: beginner protection, advancing too quickly, reroll, extensive breaks, ...   you should ask yourself how Subs make you lose more, but not everyone else
2. That is why I did not write it. You claimed that any ship can sink you easily without much effort, which is a clear sign you do something wrong when playing CL.

[Kalonianhydra]

First game of the day, a big loss, we lost 7 ships and the enemy lost none. (The game ended on points as we didn't have any left after 7 ships went down)
How can that even be remotely good matchmaking?
Second game not much better, except my team won, but almost with the same stats.