Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[KHETTIFER]

On 1/5/2023 at 5:23 PM, ColonelPete said:

I did not shame him. I actually told the public that the account performed better than he claimed himself...

Nah you insinuated that the account stats were either his or his friends and done it in a way to circumvent the forum rules on stat shaming, on any other forum you would have been punished harder for your approach, what i did prove is that not all people are treated equally on these forums.

As i said before, seems your brown nosing is paying off, and WG once again proves they have no integrity at all.

[ColonelPete]

51 minutes ago, KHETTIFER said:

Nah you insinuated that the account stats were either his or his friends.

What has this to do with stat shaming? Stop making things up

52 minutes ago, KHETTIFER said:

 i did prove is that not all people are treated equally on these forums.

You proved that you have no clue what you are talking about.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

55 minutes ago, KHETTIFER said:

Nah you insinuated that the account stats were either his or his friends and done it in a way to circumvent the forum rules on stat shaming, on any other forum you would have been punished harder for your approach, what i did prove is that not all people are treated equally on these forums.

As i said before, seems your brown nosing is paying off, and WG once again proves they have no integrity at all.

 

he didnt statshame btw. Stop your witch-hunt

[lup3s]

> I have 0% winrate

> Not true, you have more

> STOP SHAMING !!1!*!!

 

Ngl I am confused 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 hour ago, lup3s said:

> I have 0% winrate

> Not true, you have more

> STOP SHAMING !!1!*!!

 

Ngl I am confused 

its just people trying to cancel pete and failing horribly 

[ItsEyeJasper]

On 1/6/2023 at 12:12 AM, Pedro_McCloud said:

I dont understand the reason why profiles are public to begin with. Surely the stats should only be there to try and encourage oneself to become better than what they are, or to keep track of how you fare based on tier by tier.

Should they only be kept private for all? Or are there other uses I am just simply missing here.

 More people are fine with their stats being open to the public than there are those that want to hide it. therefore give option to hide it rather than exposing your stats makes more sense. It  also helps when you are trying to build a clan. If you want to be the best of the best you don't have the time to play with each and every player to test them to determine their stats. I mean if that was the case i should have applied to join any of the top teams  sometime in November. I think i  had a 78% win rate over 120 games or so.

 

As for stat shaming TBH i never understood why people get offended by being called out for playing poorly or having poor stats. To me a part of having fun in this game is putting in the effort to do better, and if people call me out for playing poorly  i have a look at it and i see where i went wrong.  My stats in wows have never been "bad" but i will happy say that my Top tier DD game-play is shockingly Sugar Honey Iced Tea bar a few dds. Especially if you compare to my BBs and Cruiser.  *Note these stats are not my solos but that's part of the game you have to include divisions in the stats / WR argument. Knowing someone has your back allows you to play better provided that they are decent players to begin with. If you Division with players who have 40% W/R you are at most going to win 45% of your Games.

 

As for the Match Making -  The law of averages means that over time you will find your self playing in the same caliber teams that trashed you one week in the next. It is  however your job to make those very evenly matched games a win, and if you cant do that then you are part of the reason your MM Sucks. It is as simple as that. You need to make the effort to improve yourselves. Watching videos of how players play properly is part of how i improved. Do what people are doing in the good games and dont do what they are not. there is a reason what they are not doing is not on a highlight video. 

We All have games that we can not influence. For example 2 weeks ago i had a game in arms race where we lost all 4 dds before 3 mins was up, two of these dds were from Hurricane Clans. This was a game where i was playing my Montana, which as my stats below show i don't play her badly. impossible is impossible . 

 

Well thats my 2 cents. Please pray for my DD stats every body.

 

 

 

 

 

[LABRAT_1UK]

Well if WG made it so people had easy access to make there  profile  private ( ie in game ) instead of the ball ache now  you would deffo see a big change in peoples profiles   

[SmegTheNoob]

9 hours ago, ItsEyeJasper said:

 More people are fine with their stats being open to the public than there are those that want to hide it. therefore give option to hide it rather than exposing your stats makes more sense. It  also helps when you are trying to build a clan. If you want to be the best of the best you don't have the time to play with each and every player to test them to determine their stats. I mean if that was the case i should have applied to join any of the top teams  sometime in November. I think i  had a 78% win rate over 120 games or so.

 

As for stat shaming TBH i never understood why people get offended by being called out for playing poorly or having poor stats. To me a part of having fun in this game is putting in the effort to do better, and if people call me out for playing poorly  i have a look at it and i see where i went wrong.  My stats in wows have never been "bad" but i will happy say that my Top tier DD game-play is shockingly Sugar Honey Iced Tea bar a few dds. Especially if you compare to my BBs and Cruiser.  *Note these stats are not my solos but that's part of the game you have to include divisions in the stats / WR argument. Knowing someone has your back allows you to play better provided that they are decent players to begin with. If you Division with players who have 40% W/R you are at most going to win 45% of your Games.

 

As for the Match Making -  The law of averages means that over time you will find your self playing in the same caliber teams that trashed you one week in the next. It is  however your job to make those very evenly matched games a win, and if you cant do that then you are part of the reason your MM Sucks. It is as simple as that. You need to make the effort to improve yourselves. Watching videos of how players play properly is part of how i improved. Do what people are doing in the good games and dont do what they are not. there is a reason what they are not doing is not on a highlight video. 

We All have games that we can not influence. For example 2 weeks ago i had a game in arms race where we lost all 4 dds before 3 mins was up, two of these dds were from Hurricane Clans. This was a game where i was playing my Montana, which as my stats below show i don't play her badly. impossible is impossible . 

 

Well thats my 2 cents. Please pray for my DD stats every body.

 

 

 

 

 

That is all well and good mate.

But I have to disagree with you about stat shaming.

If someone calls me a loser / noob in game, then I am not too bothered about it.

 

But what really pisses me off, is when some player comes on the forum, and says that I am at fault because of my poor stats. Or words to that effect.

EG, recently, I was called out in the Submarines discussion because I get sunk quite a lot.

Basically implying that I did not have a valid discussion to call out Submarines as being bad.

Basically, it was my fault, and I should "get good".

 

Now, that is stat shaming.

[SirAndreas]

there is something wrong in this MM system. 2 tier up is too much, when at t9 you find Superships there is no match. why don't they put maximum +1 tier up

[Farheim]

1 hour ago, SirAndreas said:

there is something wrong in this MM system. 2 tier up is too much, when at t9 you find Superships there is no match. why don't they put maximum +1 tier up

Minor setback. In exchange you can dominate T7 on (regular) occasion. Imagine pushing in those poor t7 scrubs on Georgia. Mmm, daddy loves clapping those little boaties.

[SmegTheNoob]

20 hours ago, SirAndreas said:

there is something wrong in this MM system. 2 tier up is too much, when at t9 you find Superships there is no match. why don't they put maximum +1 tier up

It's been said many times mate.

Wargaming are obsessed with leaving it as +2 -2.

They will never change to +1 -1.

They are scared of increased queue times, but I doubt there would be any myself.

I would love to have just +1 -1.

Its the same as World of Tanks. There are many tanks in that game that have no chance against tanks 2 tiers above them.

The same can be said for some ships in World of Warships.

But Wargaming are not interested in changing the matchmaker.

[Flosen8000]

19 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Its the same as World of Tanks.

Except it is not. If you are bad while being bottom tier you will be just as bad being top tier or mid tier. You will just notice less, but your team will even more so. Ammunition types and doing damage is a completely different story in WoWS than it is in WoT and you can have a good game against ships two tiers higher.

People crying about being bottom tier in a 2-tier-spread are just bad players. And thats the actual issue. The match making has no skill-balance.

[SmegTheNoob]

22 minutes ago, Flosen8000 said:

Except it is not. If you are bad while being bottom tier you will be just as bad being top tier or mid tier. You will just notice less, but your team will even more so. Ammunition types and doing damage is a completely different story in WoWS than it is in WoT and you can have a good game against ships two tiers higher.

People crying about being bottom tier in a 2-tier-spread are just bad players. And thats the actual issue. The match making has no skill-balance.

You are wrong about World of Tanks.

There are tons of tanks in that game that have NO CHANCE against tanks 2 tiers above them.

 

Plus, I am sick of the old, "you can still do damage in a bottom tier ship" argument.

Try playing a tier 5 light cruiser in a tier 7 battle.

Same goes for other tiers too.

When you are bottom tier, you may not have the range to hit enemy ships.

But at the same time, an enemy ship only has to break wind in your general direction, to sink you.

 

I know you can sometimes have a good game when bottom tier.

But do not blast players that complain about +2 - 2  as "bad players".

We are not all complaining bad players.

[Flosen8000]

5 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

You are wrong about World of Tanks.

No, thats what I said. It does matter in WoT. And it does not nearly as much in WoWS. Sure you'll have an easier time being top tier, but that does not mean you are lost as a bottom tier ship. And you might be sick of it, yet thats what it is. I really don't care if I'm top or bottom tier. It is just one of many factor that decide how to best play that match. Bottom tier cruiser certainly isnt a ship to push in.

But the same goes for being the only BB in a match with CV, sub and 4 DDs.

Or being a DD against 5 radars and a CV on the other team.

All that regardless of tiers.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

On 1/19/2023 at 5:37 PM, SmegTheNoob said:

We are not all complaining bad players.

most are and your failed attempt at making a good looking reroll proves that.

 

What Flosen said is true. Bottom tier or not a bad player is a bad player. Your own performance proves it.

 

*edit*

[ColonelPete]

26 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Same goes for other tiers too.

When you are bottom tier, you may not have the range to hit enemy ships.

But at the same time, an enemy ship only has to break wind in your general direction, to sink you.

Really?

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[SmegTheNoob]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Really?

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Thanks for that show of bravado.

I will take it at face value, and ignore it altogether.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Thanks for that show of bravado.

I will take it at face value, and ignore it altogether.

Ignorance is bliss. It lets you continue to blame your problems on others and spare you the difficult part of self-reflection

[SmegTheNoob]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Ignorance is bliss. It lets you continue to blame your problems on others and spare you the difficult part of self-reflection

I didn't have a problem.

I just stated that Wargaming will NEVER change to +1 -1 MM.

I am not one that constantly ask for +1 -1, because I know it will never happen.

 

But you go ahead, continue to push your opinionated crap on the rest of us.

[ColonelPete]

43 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

I didn't have a problem.

Then why whine about it?

1 hour ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Try playing a tier 5 light cruiser in a tier 7 battle.

Same goes for other tiers too.

When you are bottom tier, you may not have the range to hit enemy ships.

But at the same time, an enemy ship only has to break wind in your general direction, to sink you.

[SmegTheNoob]

10 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Then why whine about it?

 

You mistake whining for giving examples of game play.

[charliecho]

Dear WG!
 

I want be polite but simply fuckyourself and your trash MM.
Im so happy your chatban working so fine, BUT.....
The fucktard players in every match like this usless trash shimakaze and BB near the CV dont give anyhting. They can ruin another players match time, funn, money, stat match by match. This is totaly normal for you. This is the " everyone is equal " [edited]? Protect the [edited] for all cost?

There is the gamplay too if someone interest. This game is killing itself. But the good news is doing very well. Im so tired to start try playing 1-2 hours and come the usless player like those. I dont know where is the funn in this matches but for me the funn fact is a bit higher and dont mean allways need to win.
I dont care if i need waiting for 5 mintins for a quality match. The shima goes twice to the isle. TWICE!!?!?! How reach the T10 ship with this braincapacity?

Can you delete this post dont care, but the delet dont will fix the players. Fact is fact!
 

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[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, charliecho said:

The fucktard players in every match like this usless trash shimakaze and BB near the CV dont give anyhting. They can ruin another players match time, funn, money, stat match by match. This is totaly normal for you. This is the " everyone is equal " [edited]? Protect the [edited] for all cost?

Yes, other people get bad players on their team, too.

[Kalonianhydra]

5 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Yes, other people get bad players on their team, too.

Problem is when you get 9 and they get 3. Happens all to often.

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Kalonianhydra said:

Problem is when you get 9 and they get 3. Happens all to often.

That happens to other players too.