Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Mijaitza]

2 hours ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Maybe you should stop playing tier 10 so much.

Playing tier 10 probably helps you get losing streaks.

I only have 1 tier 10 ship (Salem), and I only got that ship recently.

 

Pretty sure I don't get losing streaks like this.

Mind you, since I found out that I can do a good few of dockyard missions in Coop battles. I have been kicking the ar__ out of Coop.

100% wins in Coop so far (157 battles). But it still amazes me how many players do not get a 100% win rate in Coop lol.

Brother lock the doors dont get out of the house.

[lup3s]

On 12/27/2022 at 4:19 PM, SmegTheNoob said:

This has got nothing to do with a matchmaker discussion!!

So, what if the average player win rate is 47%.

It has no bearing on the matchmaker, because we do not, and will not have a skill based matchmaker, EVER.

 

imo roflstomps occur a lot more easily because the average player is so bad

 

if you want to balance the teams, improve the "quality" of the average player

 

i'm against a skill-based matchmaker since this would only benefit bad/mediocre players in a game where the average player is bad

[Genie_of_the_Lamp]

On 2/24/2019 at 11:49 AM, Viravandrel said:

Well, if they know very well that issue of +2/-2 exist, why for example not switch it to +1 for a change? Oh but of course that would mean clearer levels of skill of particular players would be visible and MM would be better calibrated so more even teams would be matched etc. All problems solved in one go, how convenient...

 

Whatever, +2 in WoWs is still much better then constant low tier in WoT where you do literally nothing to +2 heavy and some meds, with possible option of spamming gold or dying 

 

In ships you at least have HE fires and deadly flooding (with recent changes not so deadly anymore...) and with appropriate skill you can take down any goliath and dont rely on your top tiers to win the game as in tanks

I agree I played WOT for 6 years but in lower tier you have almost no chance against higher tiers

[Genie_of_the_Lamp]

1 hour ago, lup3s said:

 

imo roflstomps occur a lot more easily because the average player is so bad

 

if you want to balance the teams, improve the "quality" of the average player

 

i'm against a skill-based matchmaker since this would only benefit bad/mediocre players in a game where the average player is bad

I disagree.

 

This means that very skilled players (and often they team up in divs just too extra boost their winrate...) just like to have easy kills by killing newbies

Thats their fun. But you must agree that we need also more new players and this practice / imbalance will disencourage them to play this.

 

Skill levels therfore should be equal as much as possible.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Genie_of_the_Lamp said:

I disagree.

 

This means that very skilled players (and often they team up in divs just too extra boost their winrate...) just like to have easy kills by killing newbies

Thats their fun. But you must agree that we need also more new players and this practice / imbalance will disencourage them to play this.

 

Skill levels therfore should be equal as much as possible.

Nobody is forcing new players into high Tier. It is their decision.

[chazwozza]

totally broken like the rest of the game 3 hydro on one team 6 hydro 3 radar on the other plus you see blue/purple on 1 side all grey on the other 

[Echo_519]

Can you rigg the mtchmaking any more WG????? 20 battles, 20 time my temmates are first blood. 20 times my teammates get obliterated in a stomp loss.

20battles lost in a dman row.

In average, out of the first 5 ships to sink,, it's 3.81(!!!!!!!!) teammates and only 1.17 oppeonents. So today, my team was in average 2.7 ships down after 3 minutes in EVERY SINGLE DAMN BATTLE. Stop with your stuoupid rigging, i know i never paid you a dime and never will, but this is just so embarassing to rigg it so obviously,.

You stupid company!!!!!!!!!

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Right now the amount of sub 50% player is that massive that you can not have "smart" MM because guys over 50% would wait 10 minutes for game. 

 

Last game I had none of my teammate were over 50%  most were around 47% with 500 games and TX ships.....

 

In first 5 minute you are in lead or deficit 5-6 ships. 

 

[Seraphice]

On 1/4/2023 at 12:05 AM, chazwozza said:

totally broken like the rest of the game 3 hydro on one team 6 hydro 3 radar on the other plus you see blue/purple on 1 side all grey on the other 

Does the amount of Hydro on a team decide the game?

Also if you want to preserve your sanity dont use MMM. All you are doing is deciding the outcome of the game in your head before anything even happened. What good is that doing you?

 

17 hours ago, Echo_519 said:

Can you rigg the mtchmaking any more WG????? 20 battles, 20 time my temmates are first blood. 20 times my teammates get obliterated in a stomp loss.

20battles lost in a dman row.

In average, out of the first 5 ships to sink,, it's 3.81(!!!!!!!!) teammates and only 1.17 oppeonents. So today, my team was in average 2.7 ships down after 3 minutes in EVERY SINGLE DAMN BATTLE. Stop with your stuoupid rigging, i know i never paid you a dime and never will, but this is just so embarassing to rigg it so obviously,.

You stupid company!!!!!!!!!

What is the interest in us rigging the matches to make you lose so much?
And how do you figure your own performance ties into this.

If we were to have to rig those matches, and also account to rig matches for all other 23 players in your game, our matchmaker would have many more struggles than it does now.
And if that were the case, every single game would always be onesided, at least according to your theory.

And as @ColonelPete pointed out, you didnt lose 20 games in a row, and your own performance had something to do with the results.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

 

[SurfaceFish]

I'm passed the stage of getting angry at MM, for average players like me, I just focus on try my best and learn from mistakes, there is no point worrying what others players do and what goes on the other side of the map as only a handful (1%) players are good enough to carry a match singlehanded. 

 

Just enjoying shooting you guns and don't die too early. You will either get carried to a win or the other side just played better. Once in awhile you will play a carry game that you can be proud of.

 

Uninstall MM monitor and disable chat message for a quiet life in wows is my advice.

[SmegTheNoob]

6 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Does the amount of Hydro on a team decide the game?

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

 

NO, but having a mismatch of Radar ships on the teams can have a big influence on deciding a game.

 

If one team has 3 Radar ships, and the other team only has 1, then its pretty obvious that the team with 3 Radar ships is at a great advantage.

One team will have all its Destroyers spotted by Radar, and the other team won't.

 

How is it so hard for the matchmaker to be sorted so that it distributes Radar and possibly Hydro ships fairly?

[SmegTheNoob]

5 minutes ago, Mr_Damager said:

Why the is such behavior called "shaming"? You can't shame anybody like that. The stats is BS if the game is rigged (and nobody knows for sure, because it's just some closed-source software).

Because posting a players stats and recent win rates etc is against the rules.

 

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Personal attacks and disrespectful behavior

• This includes trying to cause an argument and making sarcastic, off-topic, rude, stat-shaming, and disruptive posts or discussions. Do not bait, flame, or troll. Do not provoke staff members or other members of the community. 

I wouldn't post a screenshot of a players recent battles and win rate etc.

So why should other players on the forum get away with it?

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Because posting a players stats and recent win rates etc is against the rules.

It is not.

[SmegTheNoob]

I suggest that some players should go read the rules:

 

 

[ColonelPete]

7 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

I suggest that some players should go read the rules:

 

 

Where does it say posting players stats is forbidden?

[Cammo1962]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Where does it say posting players stats is forbidden?

Right here: 

Bullying, which can include:

• Personal defamation
• Gossiping about other people
• Harassment
• Stat-shaming

[ColonelPete]

8 minutes ago, Cammo1962 said:

Right here: 

Bullying, which can include:

• Personal defamation
• Gossiping about other people
• Harassment
• Stat-shaming

Looks like Smeg meant you, when he suggested that some people should read the rules.

It reads stat-shaming, not posting player stats.

[Cammo1962]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

Looks like Smeg meant you, when he suggested that some people should read the rules.

It reads stat-shaming, not posting player stats.

You pointed him the other one by posting that picture and thats not allowed and i have got a ban for doing excat the same as you did there.

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Cammo1962 said:

You pointed him the other one by posting that picture and thats not allowed and i have got a ban for doing excat the same as you did there.

Then I suggest you inform yourself what stat shaming is.

 

How is this stat shaming?

[Cammo1962]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Then I suggest you inform yourself what stat shaming is.

 

How is this stat shaming?

Well if you cant see it yourself them you are beyond help and no one can explain it for you sorry. 

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Cammo1962 said:

Well if you cant see it yourself them you are beyond help and no one can explain it for you sorry. 

More like you cannot explain the impossible, but nice try 

But I am sure Teeplunder0 feels really shamed that his public stats were posted here, since you said so...

[Pedro_McCloud]

I dont understand the reason why profiles are public to begin with. Surely the stats should only be there to try and encourage oneself to become better than what they are, or to keep track of how you fare based on tier by tier.

Should they only be kept private for all? Or are there other uses I am just simply missing here.

[MixuS]

11 hours ago, Pedro_McCloud said:

I dont understand the reason why profiles are public to begin with. Surely the stats should only be there to try and encourage oneself to become better than what they are, or to keep track of how you fare based on tier by tier.

Should they only be kept private for all? Or are there other uses I am just simply missing here.

You can change your profile to private if you don't want people to see your stats. Just be warned that many players equal private profile to terrible stats. Usually rightly so, though some paranoid unicums do it to avoid being singled out by players using stat mods.

[Molly_Delaney]

Public stats are useful for making private comparisons,

ie am I better than this player; with public stats you can look up someone's performance in say DDs and compare to yours.

When reading advice here on the forum it's useful to be able to see if they are a better player than you in that particular ship/class bearing in mind people who have different accounts on here compared to those they play with.......

 

Whereas calling someone out for being bad and showing their stats is bad behaviour. and will get you LART'ed..

 

Posting your own and saying look how bad I am..... is just funny..

[Yosha_AtaIante]

I guess some people seriously don't know the meaning of "shaming"and its conveniently always the ones who perform badly.