Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[ColonelPete]

Am 10.12.2022 um 17:34, Tatertubs sagte:

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What has this to do with the way people play?

Or are you unable to see that people play differently thx to the snowflakes?

 

[tsounts]

12 hours ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Great answer bud.

I also would like to say, I don't know how players grinding for snowflakes has got to do with always getting totally one sided battles?

Don't we all know that one sided battles is a result of a non skill based matchmaker.

IE the matchmaker doesn't care that it puts tomatoes on one team and unicums on  the other.

Well, I have seen many people respond during randoms that they are doing the snowflakes' thing and they had no f'n clue that they could also do it in coop instead of playing worst than bots in PvP....

 

Not to mention that dockyard missions can make people play like fools again, for example, when someone has to spot as many enemy ships as possible and they just charge into the enemy fleet and get sunk.... This has also been the case with WOT and gameplay was completely ruined....

[SmegTheNoob]

3 hours ago, tsounts said:

Well, I have seen many people respond during randoms that they are doing the snowflakes' thing and they had no f'n clue that they could also do it in coop instead of playing worst than bots in PvP....

 

Not to mention that dockyard missions can make people play like fools again, for example, when someone has to spot as many enemy ships as possible and they just charge into the enemy fleet and get sunk.... This has also been the case with WOT and gameplay was completely ruined....

Yes that may be the case.

But the primary reason for one sided games is due to one team having players with much better stats than the players on the other team.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Yes that may be the case.

But the primary reason for one sided games is due to one team having players with much better stats than the players on the other team.

Nope. Just take a look at the stats and see how often that is the case and compare it with the number of games.

[SmegTheNoob]

9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Nope. Just take a look at the stats and see how often that is the case and compare it with the number of games.

What would you know Mr Wargaming Fan?

You only have to look at  the number of screenshots in this thread of mismatched teams to figure out that many games are one sided because 1 team has much better players than the other.

[ColonelPete]

22 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

What would you know Mr Wargaming Fan?

You only have to look at  the number of screenshots in this thread of mismatched teams to figure out that many games are one sided because 1 team has much better players than the other.

Contrary to you, I look at much more. You do not even realize that these screenshots are biased.

[SmegTheNoob]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Contrary to you, I look at much more. You do not even realize that these screenshots are biased.

I couldn't give a fat monkeys t__s for your opinion.

I have never seen a player that posts so much pro Wargaming garbage as you.

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

I couldn't give a fat monkeys t__s for your opinion.

I have never seen a player that posts so much pro Wargaming garbage as you.

And yet you still answer me regularly 

And it is hardly my problem that you mistake facts with taking a side. Maybe the problem is your attitude towards the game?

[lup3s]

5 hours ago, SmegTheNoob said:

What would you know Mr Wargaming Fan?

You only have to look at  the number of screenshots in this thread of mismatched teams to figure out that many games are one sided because 1 team has much better players than the other.

 

And all those screenshots here definitely aren't cherry-picked examples 

 

Again, skill-based MM would be dumb af since there would be no incentive / reward for being a good player. All you get are more potatoes on your team that you have to carry - but maybe that's what you want ?

[lup3s]

23 hours ago, Tatertubs said:

MM is still pathetic. the amount of one sided battles gets worse every update, and when I'm broke and can't afford premium account my win rate tanks, pretty sure this game has gone pay to win.

 

What has having a Premium account have to do with one sided battles ? Where is the "pay to win" in this game ?  I think Wows is "pay to progress", not really "pay to win" ...  most of the stuff you can buy are just ships, cosmetics, or in-game currencies (Doubloons, Credits, whatever-tokens). 

[SmegTheNoob]

14 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

And all those screenshots here definitely aren't cherry-picked examples 

 

Again, skill-based MM would be dumb af since there would be no incentive / reward for being a good player. All you get are more potatoes on your team that you have to carry - but maybe that's what you want ?

I don't call for skill based matchmaking, because I know Wargaming will NEVER implement such a thing.

But many players complain in this thread about mismatched teams due to win rate.

Same as they will never change it from +2 -2 to +1 -1, they are so scared of increasing queue times.

[lup3s]

4 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

I don't call for skill based matchmaking, because I know Wargaming will NEVER implement such a thing.

But many players complain in this thread about mismatched teams due to win rate.

Same as they will never change it from +2 -2 to +1 -1, they are so scared of increasing queue times.

 

I would like WG to try out -1/+1 MM but as you say, unlikely they will.

 

I'm not denying roflstomps don't happen, just that (in my experience) they really don't happen that often.

(otoh i haven't really played Randoms lately but i don't think it has changed *that* much in a couple of months)

 

About mismatched teams; that's part of a (pseudo) random MM ? One time you'll get the better team, the other time you'll get the weaker team - up to you to make the difference.

Most of the time the teams are rather similar in skill, with the main issue being that the "average skill" in Wows is laughable low; many players seem to have no clue what to do or how to play. 

And thus they complain : "it's the fault of MM!", "it's the fault of divisions!", "it's the fault of pay2win!", etc. Definitely not a "git gud" issue 

[LMBO]

why do you rig the ranked battles system its so obvious really spoils the game once you know your being cheated 

 

 

[LMBO]

when they rig a game its more than just the players its the fire chance the amount of overpen its all geared to one team so you got no chance if you start in wrong team , i mean its pretty obvious 

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, LMBO said:

when they rig a game its more than just the players its the fire chance the amount of overpen its all geared to one team so you got no chance if you start in wrong team , i mean its pretty obvious 

What did you do to WG that they are this bad to you?

[LMBO]

:)

 

[ImTryingButYouDontHelp]

When you go to Brawls, which MM is suposed to take account of the gameplay level of the players.....and you get this s&it. Well done, WG. Keep making your clients more and more angry.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

44 minutes ago, DontExpectMeToCarryThis said:

When you go to Brawls, which MM is suposed to take account of the gameplay level of the players.....and you get this s&it. Well done, WG. Keep making your clients more and more angry.

 

 

But the MM does not do that.

The brawl MM counts the wins in all brawls. So a 20% winrate player with 1000 brawl battles has 200 wins.

A super unicum with 0 brawl battles has 0 wins. 

--> Brawl MM considers the 20% player to be MUCH stronger than the super unicum.

[SmegTheNoob]

4 hours ago, DontExpectMeToCarryThis said:

When you go to Brawls, which MM is suposed to take account of the gameplay level of the players.....and you get this s&it. Well done, WG. Keep making your clients more and more angry.

 

 

I want to know why in 5 man brawls, the matchmaker puts 2 destroyers on one team in the bottom 2 slots?

But then puts 2 cruisers on the other team.

How hard can it be to put 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer on each team.

[stormguard]

please add skillbased matchmaking to ranked. the technology is already there as it is used in brawls (to a lower extent). also a leaderboard for ranked would be cool.

 

#MakeRankedGreatAgain

[ColonelPete]

49 minutes ago, stormguard said:

please add skillbased matchmaking to ranked. the technology is already there as it is used in brawls (to a lower extent). also a leaderboard for ranked would be cool.

 

#MakeRankedGreatAgain

You do not want this:

17 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

The brawl MM counts the wins in all brawls. So a 20% winrate player with 1000 brawl battles has 200 wins.

A super unicum with 0 brawl battles has 0 wins. 

--> Brawl MM considers the 20% player to be MUCH stronger than the super unicum.

 

[ColorsOfRainbows]

Honestly I feel the.monitor hurts me more then helps me. I start game i am the only player in my team over 43% and the other team has 5 unicums probably also in divisions ... I could go afk now it would not change the game it's lost before it starts

[LMBO]

 they have already decided which team they want to win before the match starts' its obvious 

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, LMBO said:

 they have already decided which team they want to win before the match starts' its obvious 

Then skill would not matter and then WR would be meaningless, which would also mean that one cannot say if a team is worse or better based on WR.

We discussed that dozens of times. Keep up!!!

[LMBO]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Then skill would not matter and then WR would be meaningless, which would also mean that one cannot say if a team is worse or better bases on WR.

We discussed that dozens of times. Keep up!!!

just airing my opinion based on my experience everything from dispersion fire chance pen or non pen is biased to one team no matter how good or bad players are seems to be designed to keep players going round in circles