Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[RamboCras]

I was just in a game with 2 subs, 3 DDs and a CV....  Lovely game for a BB player. Well done WG!!!

 

NOT!!

[FellRaven]

Can I propose Single Tier Match Maker so we can play only Odd or Even Tiers.

 

 

I believe this would be very popular.

[RamboCras]

On 12/4/2022 at 10:35 AM, ColonelPete said:

So he did not write about RNG, broadsides, damage, german guns,  CV and Subs?

 He says 1 line: "What has this to do with MM?"

 

So no.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, FellRaven said:

Can I propose Single Tier Match Maker so we can play only Odd or Even Tiers.

 

 

I believe this would be very popular.

Except for the waiting times.

1 minute ago, RamboCras said:

 He says 1 line: "What has this to do with MM?"

 

So no.

He did not write that...

[RamboCras]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Except for the waiting times.

He did not write that...

I copied it from his msg?

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, RamboCras said:

I copied it from his msg?

You either copied from the wrong post or from a quote, which was not from him...

[FellRaven]

40 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Except for the waiting times.

He did not write that...

 

There would be no waiting for Odd Tiers think about it for a minute

[ColonelPete]

23 minutes ago, FellRaven said:

 

There would be no waiting for Odd Tiers think about it for a minute

If you divide the playerbase by three, how does that reduce the waiting times?

[FellRaven]

49 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

If you divide the playerbase by three, how does that reduce the waiting times?

I can't believe I am having to explain this no Subs or CVs at Odd Tiers

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, FellRaven said:

I can't believe I am having to explain this no Subs or CVs at Odd Tiers

Which reduces the playerbase even more...

 

[SmegTheNoob]

2 hours ago, FellRaven said:

I can't believe I am having to explain this no Subs or CVs at Odd Tiers

Same tier matchmaking would never work.

The matchmaker needs more of a spread of players in the queue, esp at lower tiers.

However, I believe just a +1 -1 spread could work.

But it's irrelevant, because Wargaming will never move away from +2 -2.

[Provid_AA_Fire_SUPP]

10 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

If you divide the playerbase by three, how does that reduce the waiting times?

On peak hours, not that much actually, 

[Provid_AA_Fire_SUPP]

7 hours ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Same tier matchmaking would never work.

The matchmaker needs more of a spread of players in the queue, esp at lower tiers.

However, I believe just a +1 -1 spread could work.

But it's irrelevant, because Wargaming will never move away from +2 -2.

and its also whats gona slowly kill the game, esp. with tier 9 facing superships in alot more then 50% of the times, also dont forget the amount of cv right now and subs,

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, Provid_AA_Fire_SUPP said:

On peak hours, not that much actually, 

The answer is not at all. It is mathematicly impossible to reduce waiting times by lowered player numbers.

2 hours ago, Provid_AA_Fire_SUPP said:

and its also whats gona slowly kill the game, esp. with tier 9 facing superships in alot more then 50% of the times, also dont forget the amount of cv right now and subs,

50% or more should not be possible.

[Provid_AA_Fire_SUPP]

7 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

The answer is not at all. It is mathematicly impossible to reduce waiting times by lowered player numbers.

50% or more should not be possible.

exactly, should not is the right word, although over the last weeks it is 

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Provid_AA_Fire_SUPP said:

exactly, should not is the right word, although over the last weeks it is 

Is that based on your feelings™?

[Provid_AA_Fire_SUPP]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Is that based on your feelings™?

ur semi toxic i see, im not surprised, its based on the game,,, and not on ur thoughts

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Provid_AA_Fire_SUPP said:

ur semi toxic i see, im not surprised, its based on the game,,, and not on ur thoughts

Where can I read about it?

[floribe2000]

Once again:

Please stay constructive and avoid insulting others. You can disagree but that does not mean that one of you is better than the other or that you have the right to insult someone else due to their opinion.

[Cuddly_Spider]

On 12/5/2022 at 10:42 AM, SmegTheNoob said:

That is wrong mate. If it was skill based matchmaker. Then the teams would be about the same win rate as you. If it was done on the win rate stat.

As you got a higher win rate, then you would be matched with players of a similar win rate.

Unless your win rate got so high, that the matchmaker could not match you with other players at the same level as you.

But most players would have plenty of other players at the same win rate to be matched with.

 

But its irrelevant because Wargaming will never do skill based matchmaking.

They are too scared of rising queue times.

That is also the reason why they will never change from a +2 -2 tier spread.

That is what pisses me off. Many times when I am bottom tier, I feel that I have no chance, and feel that it is pointless in me even playing.

Especially if I am in a bloody tier 5 light cruiser, or any light cruiser for that matter.

Then, as players were evenly matched, everyone's winrate would start to match as better players lost more battles and bad players won more.

 

Matching based on winrate is mathematically not feasible in the long or even medium term.

[MixuS]

With playerbase this game has, if the matchmaker would try to fill a match with only equally skilled players, then only total potatoes would get any matches. Even just mildy better than clueless players would see queue times over 30 minutes long or no games at all.

[Tatertubs]

MM is still pathetic. the amount of one sided battles gets worse every update, and when I'm broke and can't afford premium account my win rate tanks, pretty sure this game has gone pay to win.

[ColonelPete]

9 minutes ago, Tatertubs said:

MM is still pathetic. the amount of one sided battles gets worse every update, and when I'm broke and can't afford premium account my win rate tanks, pretty sure this game has gone pay to win.

What has MM to do with the fact that people jump into battles to farm snowflakes quickly? It is not the fault of the MM that players do not realize that they can do it CoOp without offending anyone.

[NewHorizons_1]

6 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

It is not the fault of the MM that players do not realize that they can do it CoOp ...

True, and the quickest (and easiest) way to do it.

7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

... without offending anyone.

yeah, about that.

Have you seen how many reports get flung about in co-op?

Player base is a lot saltier since subs were introduced, even if you never play the damn things.

[SmegTheNoob]

Am 10.12.2022 um 17:34, Tatertubs sagte:

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Great answer bud.

I also would like to say, I don't know how players grinding for snowflakes has got to do with always getting totally one sided battles?

Don't we all know that one sided battles is a result of a non skill based matchmaker.

IE the matchmaker doesn't care that it puts tomatoes on one team and unicums on  the other.