Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, SmegTheNoob said:

I think Seraphice is wrong when he said "wherever possible, mirrored by nation".

Just look at any screen shots in this thread of team make up.

EG, you don't see a Russian Serov CV on one team, and a Serov on the other.

You see another nations CV on the other team.

The nations are not matched.

When possible...

 

It was implemented ages ago to reduce the battles were 3 Amagis on one team were facing off against 3 NC. Still, it happens from time to time.

[SmegTheNoob]

48 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

When possible...

 

It was implemented ages ago to reduce the battles were 3 Amagis on one team were facing off against 3 NC. Still, it happens from time to time.

It only happens on a very rare occasion.

You might see the same ship on each team, in a line up. But not that often.

 

It does happen a lot with U-69 Subs and Agano cruisers, because of them recently added to the game.

But I don't see many other ships matched by nation much at all.

[Wummele]

Do they actually use any parameters except ship tier? So many games are unbalanced and one sided the only reason would be not to use player winrate, captain skills, ship upgrades or that the rng favours one side and not the other.

I expect something is done to shorten the games as the company is so paranoid about queue times that it is more important than any other aspect of the games except squeezing that last coin out of the players.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, Wummele said:

Do they actually use any parameters except ship tier? So many games are unbalanced and one sided the only reason would be not to use player winrate, captain skills, ship upgrades or that the rng favours one side and not the other.

I expect something is done to shorten the games as the company is so paranoid about queue times that it is more important than any other aspect of the games except squeezing that last coin out of the players.

Adding more parameters would increase the queue times...

[SmegTheNoob]

29 minutes ago, Wummele said:

Do they actually use any parameters except ship tier? So many games are unbalanced and one sided the only reason would be not to use player winrate, captain skills, ship upgrades or that the rng favours one side and not the other.

I expect something is done to shorten the games as the company is so paranoid about queue times that it is more important than any other aspect of the games except squeezing that last coin out of the players.

Your flogging a dead horse mate.

Wargaming will NEVER EVER bring in skill based matchmaking.

So, it's pointless complaining about unbalanced teams due to win rate etc.

[lup3s]

14 hours ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Your flogging a dead horse mate.

Wargaming will NEVER EVER bring in skill based matchmaking.

So, it's pointless complaining about unbalanced teams due to win rate etc.

 

Why would you ever want skill-based matchmaking for Random Battles ... the better you play the worse your team gets so you're basically punishing yourself by playing well 

[SmegTheNoob]

1 hour ago, lup3s said:

 

Why would you ever want skill-based matchmaking for Random Battles ... the better you play the worse your team gets so you're basically punishing yourself by playing well 

That is wrong mate. If it was skill based matchmaker. Then the teams would be about the same win rate as you. If it was done on the win rate stat.

As you got a higher win rate, then you would be matched with players of a similar win rate.

Unless your win rate got so high, that the matchmaker could not match you with other players at the same level as you.

But most players would have plenty of other players at the same win rate to be matched with.

 

But its irrelevant because Wargaming will never do skill based matchmaking.

They are too scared of rising queue times.

That is also the reason why they will never change from a +2 -2 tier spread.

That is what pisses me off. Many times when I am bottom tier, I feel that I have no chance, and feel that it is pointless in me even playing.

Especially if I am in a bloody tier 5 light cruiser, or any light cruiser for that matter.

[ColonelPete]

43 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

That is wrong mate. If it was skill based matchmaker. Then the teams would be about the same win rate as you. If it was done on the win rate stat.

How long should the better players wait?

 

[lup3s]

51 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

That is wrong mate. If it was skill based matchmaker. Then the teams would be about the same win rate as you. If it was done on the win rate stat.

As you got a higher win rate, then you would be matched with players of a similar win rate.

Unless your win rate got so high, that the matchmaker could not match you with other players at the same level as you.

But most players would have plenty of other players at the same win rate to be matched with.

 

But its irrelevant because Wargaming will never do skill based matchmaking.

They are too scared of rising queue times.

That is also the reason why they will never change from a +2 -2 tier spread.

That is what pisses me off. Many times when I am bottom tier, I feel that I have no chance, and feel that it is pointless in me even playing.

Especially if I am in a bloody tier 5 light cruiser, or any light cruiser for that matter.

 

By separating players based on win rate, wouldn't nearly everyone's win rate end up converging to 50% ? Or is that what you want ? 

 

[SmegTheNoob]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

How long should the better players wait?

 

What's the point in sharing a stupid table that is so small, nobody can read it?

[ColonelPete]

Just now, SmegTheNoob said:

What's the point in sharing a stupid table that is so small, nobody can read it?

The point is to click on it...

[SmegTheNoob]

1 hour ago, lup3s said:

 

By separating players based on win rate, wouldn't nearly everyone's win rate end up converging to 50% ? Or is that what you want ? 

 

Why would that happen?

The more games you win, the higher your win rate goes up.

Simple maths tells you that.

It would be harder to win if the teams were more or less level.

But one team has to win.

[SmegTheNoob]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

The point is to click on it...

Forget it pal.

I did click on it and I still cannot read it.

I am not going to adjust my browsers zoom level just to satisfy your agenda.

Don't bother answering, I am not interested in anything you say.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Forget it pal.

I did click on it and I still cannot read it.

I am not going to adjust my browsers zoom level just to satisfy your agenda.

Don't bother answering, I am not interested in anything you say.

That is why you posted....

And no, you do not need to adjust the zoom level of your browser.

 

And I posted the player distribution table that you get better informed about your own agenda, since you seem to not know what you are talking about.

[SmegTheNoob]

 

7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That is why you posted....

And no, you do not need to adjust the zoom level of your browser.

 

And I posted the player distribution table that you get better informed about your own agenda, since you seem to not know what you are talking about.

Do you even look at what you are uploading?

This is how it looks to me.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

7 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

 

Do you even look at what you are uploading?

This is how it looks to me.

Then click on it again...

 

So much for not being interested in what I say...

[SmegTheNoob]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Then click on it again...

 

So much for not being interested in what I say...

What's the point? It is still the same size, no matter how many times I click on it.

[Re4cher]

Gerade eben, SmegTheNoob sagte:

What's the point? It is still the same size, no matter how many times I click on it.

Dude - you noticed everyone can zoom into your firefox-screen.

That Sheet is working the same way

[SmegTheNoob]

2 minutes ago, Re4cher said:

Dude - you noticed everyone can zoom into your firefox-screen.

That Sheet is working the same way

I did say I was not going to mess about with my browsers zoom level.

[Re4cher]

Gerade eben, SmegTheNoob sagte:

I did say I was not going to mess about with my browsers zoom level.

it´s a simple click - no adjustments required

[SmegTheNoob]

2 minutes ago, Re4cher said:

it´s a simple click - no adjustments required

I have clicked and it tells me nothing.

Besides its a stupid table from 2020, so how the hell is it relevant in 2022?

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, SmegTheNoob said:

I have clicked and it tells me nothing.

Besides its a stupid table from 2020, so how the hell is it relevant in 2022?

It helps to know how to use a computer...

• the table is from 2021
• if you knew about the player distribution in this game, you would know that it does not change much
• if you have more current data, feel free to share it, but do not speculate about a further subdivision of the playerbase when you do not know the numbers...

[Re4cher]

Vor 3 Minuten, SmegTheNoob sagte:

I have clicked and it tells me nothing.

Besides its a stupid table from 2020, so how the hell is it relevant in 2022?

is your friend

 

changes from 20 to 22 are marginal so this is still relevant

[SmegTheNoob]

12 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

It helps to know how to use a computer...

• the table is from 2021
• if you knew about the player distribution in this game, you would know that it does not change much
• if you have more current data, feel free to share it, but do not speculate about a further subdivision of the playerbase when you do not know the numbers...

Whatever. You just keep pushing your warped agenda pal.

I don't give a fig any more.

You should be telling all this to all those players that come on this forum and complain about mismatched teams due to win rate etc etc.

I have said time and time again that Wargaming will never bring in a skill based matchmaker.

So its pointless arguing about it.

[WorthyOpponent]

2 hours ago, SmegTheNoob said:

Why would that happen?

The more games you win, the higher your win rate goes up.

Simple maths tells you that.

It would be harder to win if the teams were more or less level.

But one team has to win.

harder games > harder to win > a drop in win rate > everyone gets reset to 50%

As a matter of fact, in skill based matchmaking if the win rate of players aren't very close to 50%, you screwed up. That means some players are way stronger than others and they aren't getting paired up together.
Not to mention this would cause a lot of very high queue times at the highest 1% due to how few people there are at that level. That happens on any game with skill based matchmaking.