Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[ColonelPete]

4 hours ago, Fuel_Inspector said:

Once again I did some science on MM.

I played 12 games in tier 7 Helena, some solo and in division. 

The queue time never exceded 30 seconds and we were double uptiered 41.66% of the games. 

We never saw a pure tier 7 game. 

We got to bully tier 5's 33,33% of the games. 

And finally 25% were tier 8 games.

Dear WG, I don't mind getting that dank bonus XP for shooting two tiers higher but come on. 

I don't mind waiting a little for a better match.

In 12 matches one can get uptiered two Tiers 58% of the time and still end up at 35% after 20 matches. Divisions might mess up that anyway.

[lup3s]

On 10/24/2022 at 6:53 PM, Smegger213 said:

God you are so full of it.

Do you really think I don't know what a premium ship is?

But thanks for sharing.

 

I will now go away with the knowledge that you are so far up Wargamings back end, you smell of you know what.

 

You asked what a "Special ship" is  and as ColonelCat pointed out, those TX are (technically) Special ships, not Premium ships.

[SurfaceFish]

So does special ships have better credits earning than their techtree ships?

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

So does special ships have better credits earning than their techtree ships?

Yes, since they have a perma booster.

No, when the tech tree ship has a perma booster.

[SurfaceFish]

6 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Yes, since they have a perma booster.

No, when the tech tree ship has a perma booster.

Thanks, so if both special and techtree ships have perma booster, they will earn the same amount of credits? Unlike premium ships with better credits earning build in plus the perma booster. 

[ColonelPete]

32 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Thanks, so if both special and techtree ships have perma booster, they will earn the same amount of credits? Unlike premium ships with better credits earning build in plus the perma booster. 

Yes

[Smegger213]

3 hours ago, lup3s said:

 

You asked what a "Special ship" is  and as ColonelCat pointed out, those TX are (technically) Special ships, not Premium ships.

Right mate. For a start, Wargaming do not refer to them as "Special Ships".

They refer to them as "Superships".

It was Pete that called them Special Ships.

 

Also I never said that Superships were Premium Ships.

My point was that the rise in the numbers of premium ships in the game could be effecting the matchmaker at higher tiers.

This happened in WoT due to the excessive number of tier 8 premium tanks released by Wargaming.

I was saying that the same thing could be happening in WoWS.

 

What can Wargaming do to get more money?

The obvious answer is to to bring out more and more premium ships.

Especially, premium ships at tier 8 and 9.

The more tier 8 and 9 premium ships that get added to the game, the more the matchmaker takes the strain.

Assuming they sell a lot of those higher tier premium ships in the first place.

 

For instance, if you are playing a tier 7 ship.

If there are more and more tier 8 & 9 premium ships in the game, and being played.

Then its not rocket science to assume that you can start to see more and more games where you are bottom tier when playing a tier 7.

 

That is what I was going on about.

[ColonelPete]

9 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

Right mate. For a start, Wargaming do not refer to them as "Special Ships".

They refer to them as "Superships".

It was Pete that called them Special Ships.

 

Also I never said that Superships were Premium Ships.

My point was that the rise in the numbers of premium ships in the game could be effecting the matchmaker at higher tiers.

This happened in WoT due to the excessive number of tier 8 premium tanks released by Wargaming.

I was saying that the same thing could be happening in WoWS.

 

What can Wargaming do to get more money?

The obvious answer is to to bring out more and more premium ships.

Especially, premium ships at tier 8 and 9.

The more tier 8 and 9 premium ships that get added to the game, the more the matchmaker takes the strain.

Assuming they sell a lot of those higher tier premium ships in the first place.

 

For instance, if you are playing a tier 7 ship.

If there are more and more tier 8 & 9 premium ships in the game, and being played.

Then its not rocket science to assume that you can start to see more and more games where you are bottom tier when playing a tier 7.

 

That is what I was going on about.

And once again wrong.

Tier XI ships are called Superships.

And yes, WG calls the Tier X "Special Ships" Special Ships.

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

6 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

Right mate. For a start, Wargaming do not refer to them as "Special Ships".

They refer to them as "Superships". 

You are wrong.

 

Superships are a special tier.

Ships like Moskva are "special ships" as WG refers to them as such.

[Smegger213]

9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And once again wrong.

Tier XI ships are called Superships.

And yes, WG calls the Tier X "Special Ships" Special Ships.

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/search/?query=superships

 

Do that search and plenty of Supership articles appear.

Do the same search for Special Ships and surprise surprise, NO articles appear.

 

I do a quick search of the Dev Blog Forum for the term "Special Ships" from any Wargaming employer.

Guess what, not one post was found with the term special ships.

 

So you are wrong, Wargaming do not refer to any ship as a "Special Ship"

[Smegger213]

16 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

You are wrong.

 

Superships are a special tier.

Ships like Moskva are "special ships" as WG refers to them as such.

Wrong again, Moskva is described in the WoWS Wiki page as a Soviet Tier X Cruiser.

Not as a Special Ship.

Prove to me beyond doubt that a Wargaming employer has called any ship in the game a "Special Ship".

[Yosha_AtaIante]

45 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

Wrong again, Moskva is described in the WoWS Wiki page as a Soviet Tier X Cruiser.

Not as a Special Ship.

Prove to me beyond doubt that a Wargaming employer has called any ship in the game a "Special Ship".

easy,, here you go

 

as you can see in the linked picture the ships FDR, Puerto Rico, Moskva, Khaba are clearly designated as Special Ships which is clearly labeled as such ingame and therefore by WG employees

 

Now please can you for once admit that you are wrong?

[Smegger213]

18 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

easy,, here you go

 

as you can see in the linked picture the ships FDR, Puerto Rico, Moskva, Khaba are clearly designated as Special Ships which is clearly labeled as such ingame and therefore by WG employees

 

Now please can you for once admit that you are wrong?

Oh I am so sorry. It appears that I may be wrong.

Oh dear, never mind eh.

My original statement about premium ships still stands.

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, Smegger213 said:

Wrong again, Moskva is described in the WoWS Wiki page as a Soviet Tier X Cruiser.

Not as a Special Ship.

Prove to me beyond doubt that a Wargaming employer has called any ship in the game a "Special Ship".

You mean the same wikipedia thats amazingly outdated?

 

and yet:

 

 

also its just me or forum cannot into images?

[ColonelPete]

5 hours ago, Smegger213 said:

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/search/?query=superships

 

Do that search and plenty of Supership articles appear.

Do the same search for Special Ships and surprise surprise, NO articles appear.

 

I do a quick search of the Dev Blog Forum for the term "Special Ships" from any Wargaming employer.

Guess what, not one post was found with the term special ships.

 

So you are wrong, Wargaming do not refer to any ship as a "Special Ship"

You could just look at your port filter, as I already told you, but that is probably too complicated.

[lup3s]

On 10/26/2022 at 5:55 PM, Smegger213 said:

Right mate. For a start, Wargaming do not refer to them as "Special Ships".

They refer to them as "Superships".

It was Pete that called them Special Ships.

 

You are mixing things up :

 

"Superships" are the T11 ships (Patrie, Annapolis, Condé ...).

 

"Special ships" are usually non-tech tree TX ships and time-limited ships :

- early access ships: U-69, Salmon ...

- event-based ships: Blade, Igor, Jackal ... (the Halloween event)

- ships that were in the tech tree but not anymore: Khaba, GK, Moskva

- ships that can be bought in the Armoury with Steel, Coal, RB points : Salem, Marceau, Bourgogne, Gibraltar, Incomparable, FDR ...

 

There is an option in your Port filter to filter on "Special ships", they even have a different icon from Premium ships and Superships.

 

:edit:

 

See this screenshot : https://i.imgur.com/Io1HnNf.png

 

(It's a link because uploading the image to this forum failed for some reason.)

[Smegger213]

26 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

You are mixing things up :

 

"Superships" are the T11 ships (Patrie, Annapolis, Condé ...).

 

"Special ships" are usually non-tech tree TX ships and time-limited ships :

- early access ships: U-69, Salmon ...

- event-based ships: Blade, Igor, Jackal ... (the Halloween event)

- ships that were in the tech tree but not anymore: Khaba, GK, Moskva

- ships that can be bought in the Armoury with Steel, Coal, RB points : Salem, Marceau, Bourgogne, Gibraltar, Incomparable, FDR ...

 

There is an option in your Port filter to filter on "Special ships", they even have a different icon from Premium ships and Superships.

 

:edit:

 

See this screenshot : https://i.imgur.com/Io1HnNf.png

 

(It's a link because uploading the image to this forum failed for some reason.)

Its OK mate.

I now know I was mistaken.

It was that I had never heard a news post or a forum post from Wargaming, ever referring to Special Ships.

 

I know what Superships are. They are ships that I will never own lol.

 

Anyway, originally I wasn't talking about Special Ships or Superships.

I was talking about the possibility of the number of Premium Ships being released by Wargaming, having an effect on the matchmaker.

EG the more people may be playing tier 8 and 9 premium ships. Thereby it may be more often when playing a tier 7 ship, to be put bottom tier.

It happened in WoT due to the number of premium tier 8 tanks in that game.

I was speculating that the same could be happening in Warships, but to a lesser extent.

[lup3s]

8 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

Its OK mate.

I now know I was mistaken.

It was that I had never heard a news post or a forum post from Wargaming, ever referring to Special Ships.

 

I know what Superships are. They are ships that I will never own lol.

 

Anyway, originally I wasn't talking about Special Ships or Superships.

I was talking about the possibility of the number of Premium Ships being released by Wargaming, having an effect on the matchmaker.

EG the more people may be playing tier 8 and 9 premium ships. Thereby it may be more often when playing a tier 7 ship, to be put bottom tier.

It happened in WoT due to the number of premium tier 8 tanks in that game.

I was speculating that the same could be happening in Warships, but to a lesser extent.

 

I'm not sure about the effect of having more high-tier Premium ships, as I think players are automatically driven to high tiers, be it tech tree / Premium / Special ships.

The only "advantage" a Premium ship offers, is that it requires no time to get it, just money.

[CSS_modding_1]

machmaking should be made better 

battles with tier 9 and 10  and 2 t 8 schips is too hard 

[ColonelPete]

It is 3x Tier VIII.

[quickr]

 

 

The future of wows is now! (count the ship types)

 

Also, guess how long the match lasted

 

[SurfaceFish]

11 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

It is 3x Tier VIII.

looking forward to playing as one of 3 T9 ships with 9 other Super Ships MM in the future! 

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, SurfaceFish said:

looking forward to playing as one of 3 T9 ships with 9 other Super Ships MM in the future! 

If you are lucky, you might get that many Superships. Up to now, I have never seen more than 5.

[sandora85]

Very balanced MM after my premium time is end this is goodbye WG i will never spend single dolar on your unblanced game.

3 sub 2 cv 1 dd Epic Match.

[Smegger213]

4 minutes ago, sandora85 said:

Very balanced MM after my premium time is end this is goodbye WG i will never spend single dolar on your unblanced game.

3 sub 2 cv 1 dd Epic Match.

Wow, that is utter garbage matchmaking.

I was complaining about 1 CV and 2 subs per side lol.

Wargaming do not know the meaning of the word "BALANCE".