Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[tsounts]

WG, do you really think addition of tier XI ships is a good idea? Tier 9 match making has become a nightmare, to say the least...

Just had a match in Benham where there were 6 superships per side. (not to mention how bad they were)

[SV_Kompresor]

2 hours ago, tsounts said:

WG, do you really think addition of tier XI ships is a good idea? Tier 9 match making has become a nightmare, to say the least...

Just had a match in Benham where there were 6 superships per side. (not to mention how bad they were)

Well I mean....you were in a benham so I guess you deserved it. If nothing else, tier 9 now knows what it was like to be tier 7 before the introduction of supers.

[Smegger213]

The more premium ships that get added into the game, the matchmaker gets worse.

I think that applies to mainly tier 7, 8, 9 and 10 premium ships.

More players play the premiums, the more players playing tech tree ships end up bottom tier.

 

Same goes for the number of stupid superships added to the game, the matchmaker gets worse.

 

Its pathetic, and a result of pure GREED.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

The more premium ships that get added into the game, the matchmaker gets worse.

I think that applies to mainly tier 7, 8, 9 and 10 premium ships.

More players play the premiums, the more players playing tech tree ships end up bottom tier.

 

Same goes for the number of stupid superships added to the game, the matchmaker gets worse.

 

Its pathetic, and a result of pure GREED.

What have tech tree ships to with being bottom Tier?

You are aware that Superships are tech tree ships?

[Smegger213]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

What have tech tree ships to with being bottom Tier?

You are aware that Superships are tech tree ships?

I don't give a monkeys t___ of your opinion.

Did I say Superships were premiums? No I didn't.

 

What I am on about, is the number of players playing premium ships of higher tiers is increasing, due to Wargaming adding more and more into the game.

This means that a player trying to grind their way up the tech trees are finding themselves bottom tier more and more often.

 

Exactly the same thing happened in World of Tanks.

They added tons of tier 8 premium tanks into that game, it screwed the matchmaker so bad. They had to come up with the Frontline game mode, to take out a lot of tier 8 tanks out of the normal random queue.

Then they added tier 9 premium tanks too. This made the matchmaking worse.

 

The same thing is happening in warships.

 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Smegger213 said:

I don't give a monkeys t___ of your opinion.

Did I say Superships were premiums? No I didn't.

No, you said that tech tree ships end up bottom Tier, which is a bit surprising for Superships...

And when you play a ship of a specific Tier, it makes no difference for uptiering if you are in a premium or tech tree ship.

[Smegger213]

46 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

No, you said that tech tree ships end up bottom Tier, which is a bit surprising for Superships...

And when you play a ship of a specific Tier, it makes no difference for uptiering if you are in a premium or tech tree ship.

Go away, I am not interested in your garbage anymore.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

Go away, I am not interested in your garbage anymore.

I guess I make too much sense for you.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

57 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

This means that a player trying to grind their way up the tech trees are finding themselves bottom tier more and more often.

thats a bunch if nonsense right there.

Premium ships get upturned as often as do tech tree ships 

[Smegger213]

48 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

thats a bunch if nonsense right there.

Premium ships get upturned as often as do tech tree ships 

Have you counted the number of premium ships there are.

Just a quick count of tier 7 to 10 premium ships for sale in the premium shop comes to a total of 76 ships.

Plus that does not count the number of premium ships that have been removed from sale.

Nor does it count the number of premium ships that can be got for free with coal or steel etc.

 

When you add that many premium ships into the mix, it is bound to have an effect on the matchmaker.

[SurfaceFish]

I prefer to be bottom tier when grinding tech tree and plying premium ships. You get extra 20% xp and credits for dmg on a ship 2 tiers higher than you I believe. 
 

Imaging you takes 4k to 8k out of a DD two tiers higher, that’s a huge chuck of dmg to % of his health. Which translates to nice basic xp for you. 
 

You don’t have to do huge damage in a bottom tier ship, just play passively and shot higher tierDD and cruisers. Also lots of basic xp if you can cap and reset caps. 

[Panocek]

4 hours ago, tsounts said:

WG, do you really think addition of tier XI ships is a good idea? Tier 9 match making has become a nightmare, to say the least...

Just had a match in Benham where there were 6 superships per side. (not to mention how bad they were)

Because that was the point, to remove safe haven tier 9s carved for themselves

 

1 hour ago, Smegger213 said:

Have you counted the number of premium ships there are.

Just a quick count of tier 7 to 10 premium ships for sale in the premium shop comes to a total of 76 ships.

Plus that does not count the number of premium ships that have been removed from sale.

Nor does it count the number of premium ships that can be got for free with coal or steel etc.

 

When you add that many premium ships into the mix, it is bound to have an effect on the matchmaker.

I've seen many "big brain" moments, but this is something else.

 

Are you aware premium ships can and will be mirrored by tech tree ones just fine? And Wargaming pushing all the players onto tier 10 was a thing since game inception, they didn't need tier 9+ premiums for that.

Especially since introduction of permacamos giving very relaxed economy for tier 10s, as for price of single tier 8 ship you could put permanent camouflage with massive economy gains on TWO tier 10 of your choice.

 

Besides, current lineup of available premium ships leaves something to be desired, the best/most influential ones are long gone from sales and Wargaming balancing relies on dwindling numbers of old players to remove them from circulation. But these ships aren't completely unavailable, just whale enough money on christmas lootboxes, so technically you can get supposedly overpowered premiums for yourself too

[SurfaceFish]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

But these ships aren't completely unavailable, just whale enough money on christmas lootboxes

I have no idea what you are talking about. However I did suffer a momentary insanity during that time period. 
 

Woke up to see a bunch of unavailable premium ships in port, and my bank account a little lighter! All I miss now are those few OP tier 5 ships and that T4 Russian BB. 

[Smegger213]

13 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Because that was the point, to remove safe haven tier 9s carved for themselves

 

I've seen many "big brain" moments, but this is something else.

 

Are you aware premium ships can and will be mirrored by tech tree ones just fine? And Wargaming pushing all the players onto tier 10 was a thing since game inception, they didn't need tier 9+ premiums for that.

Especially since introduction of permacamos giving very relaxed economy for tier 10s, as for price of single tier 8 ship you could put permanent camouflage with massive economy gains on TWO tier 10 of your choice.

 

Besides, current lineup of available premium ships leaves something to be desired, the best/most influential ones are long gone from sales and Wargaming balancing relies on dwindling numbers of old players to remove them from circulation. But these ships aren't completely unavailable, just whale enough money on christmas lootboxes, so technically you can get supposedly overpowered premiums for yourself too

What I am on about is the rise in the numbers of premium ships in the game.

 

It was worse in World of Tanks. In that game, Wargaming added far too many tier 8 premium tanks into the game.

They also started to release far too many tier 8 premium tanks that were all out better than their tech tree equivalents

Now they have started to add tier 9 premium tanks into the game too.

This has had a direct effect on the matchmaker in World of Tanks.

EG, playing a tier 6 tank in WoT started to become intolerable. Because you would end up in a tier 8 game for 80% of the time.

 

I am saying that to some extent, the same thing is happening in Warships.

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, Smegger213 said:

What I am on about is the rise in the numbers of premium ships in the game.

 

It was worse in World of Tanks. In that game, Wargaming added far too many tier 8 premium tanks into the game.

They also started to release far too many tier 8 premium tanks that were all out better than their tech tree equivalents

Now they have started to add tier 9 premium tanks into the game too.

This has had a direct effect on the matchmaker in World of Tanks.

EG, playing a tier 6 tank in WoT started to become intolerable. Because you would end up in a tier 8 game for 80% of the time.

 

I am saying that to some extent, the same thing is happening in Warships.

And that is desired outcome, to push players onto tier 10 and 11 as soon as possible, where they most likely will need premium account to sustain playing, effectively turning game from f2p to subscription.

 

Always was the case, even in World of Tanks, always was the case in WoWs, even more so with introduction of tier 11.

[Smegger213]

8 minutes ago, Panocek said:

And that is desired outcome, to push players onto tier 10 and 11 as soon as possible, where they most likely will need premium account to sustain playing, effectively turning game from f2p to subscription.

 

Always was the case, even in World of Tanks, always was the case in WoWs, even more so with introduction of tier 11.

Well, it never pushed me to tier 10.

I have been playing the game since the Closed Alpha, but I still do not have 1 tech tree tier 10 ship on my account.

I did grind the coal to get the Yoshino though.

 

But the reason for that is that World of Tanks was always my favourite game.

But for the last year, Warships has become my favourite game.

That was until they released Submarines into the mix.

Now I have stopped playing all together with this account, and I only play a few games on my alternative account.

[SV_Kompresor]

42 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

I have been playing the game since the Closed Alpha, but I still do not have 1 tech tree tier 10 ship on my account.

Well....playing one battle per week hardly qualifies for "I've been playing since alpha" statement, even if it is technically true.

[Smegger213]

4 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Well....playing one battle per week hardly qualifies for "I've been playing since alpha" statement, even if it is technically true.

So, what. Its still a true statement.

Plus it was never as bad as only playing one battle a week.

I doubt there is a player out there that only plays one battle a week.

 

[ColonelPete]

6 hours ago, Smegger213 said:

Have you counted the number of premium ships there are.

Just a quick count of tier 7 to 10 premium ships for sale in the premium shop comes to a total of 76 ships.

Plus that does not count the number of premium ships that have been removed from sale.

Nor does it count the number of premium ships that can be got for free with coal or steel etc.

 

When you add that many premium ships into the mix, it is bound to have an effect on the matchmaker.

On Tier X, special ships make up around 1/3 of all battle participants and only few of these ships can be bought directly.

On Tier IX premiums make up slightly less than 1/3 of all battle participants.

 

The vast majority of ships are therefore tech tree ships in battle.

 

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[Smegger213]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

On Tier X, special ships make up around 1/3 of all battle participants and only few of these ships can be bought directly.

On Tier IX premiums make up slightly less than 1/3 of all battle participants.

 

The vast majority of ships are therefore tech tree ships in battle.

 

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What the hell are you on about.

Full of crap as usual.

WTF is a Special Ship anyway.

Never heard any Wargaming employer refer to ships as special except you.

Oh and as for tier 9 premiums. There are 12 for sale alone in the premium shop today. 9 that can be bought with coal and 1 that can be got for steel in game too

Tier 10, there are 10 that can be got with coal, 9 for steel.

Plus there are players that hold high tier premium ships that are no longer available.

 

Take a look at the WoWS Wiki page, and count up how many premium ships of all tiers are in the game in one form or another.

You will be surprised at the total number you will find.

 

Oh and sharing a stupid Russian web site means nothing to me.

Try sharing something that can actually be read by someone that doesn't speak Russian.

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

What the hell are you on about.

Full of crap as usual.

WTF is a Special Ship anyway.

Never heard any Wargaming employer refer to ships as special except you.

Oh and as for tier 9 premiums. There are 12 for sale alone in the premium shop today. 9 that can be bought with coal and 1 that can be got for steel in game too

Tier 10, there are 10 that can be got with coal, 9 for steel.

Plus there are players that hold high tier premium ships that are no longer available.

 

Take a look at the WoWS Wiki page, and count up how many premium ships of all tiers are in the game in one form or another.

You will be surprised at the total number you will find.

 

Oh and sharing a stupid Russian web site means nothing to me.

Try sharing something that can actually be read by someone that doesn't speak Russian.

Total number of ships are not relevant. Relevant is how often you see them and that is not that often, especially considering how many of these ships you get for free.

And since you have no clue what you are talking about, learn:

Spoiler

Premium ships and Tier X special ships - ready vessels that can be purchased in-game for doubloons or Free XP, in the Armory or via select bundles within the Premium Shop. Premium ships are some of naval warfare's greatest legends come to life!

Unlike tech tree ships which represent entire classes of ships, premium ships represent specific historical vessels. Game-wise, they are usually variants of the respective researched counterparts with alternate abilities, extra armament or protection, and other attribute changes that offer different game play.

There are premium ships on Tiers II-IX and special ships on Tier X. You can buy premium ships with money but normally not Tier X special ships.

Benefits of premium ships and Tier X special ships:

• No research required — all modules unlocked and mounted — in most cases.
• More credits  earned in each battle (except Tier X 'special' ships).
• A permanent economic bonus package.
• Reduced post-battle service cost.
• Elite status from the start (use doubloons  to convert all your Ship XP to Free XP ).
• commanders can be assigned from other ships of the same nation without penalty or retraining.
• A Default permanent camouflage.

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Premium_ships

 

We have that distinction for a couple of years now...

They even have different icons in the ship carousel in port...

[Smegger213]

22 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Total number of ships are not relevant. Relevant is how often you see them and that is not that often, especially considering how many of these ships you get for free.

And since you have no clue what you are talking about, learn:

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Premium ships and Tier X special ships - ready vessels that can be purchased in-game for doubloons or Free XP, in the Armory or via select bundles within the Premium Shop. Premium ships are some of naval warfare's greatest legends come to life!

Unlike tech tree ships which represent entire classes of ships, premium ships represent specific historical vessels. Game-wise, they are usually variants of the respective researched counterparts with alternate abilities, extra armament or protection, and other attribute changes that offer different game play.

There are premium ships on Tiers II-IX and special ships on Tier X. You can buy premium ships with money but normally not Tier X special ships.

Benefits of premium ships and Tier X special ships:

• No research required — all modules unlocked and mounted — in most cases.
• More credits  earned in each battle (except Tier X 'special' ships).
• A permanent economic bonus package.
• Reduced post-battle service cost.
• Elite status from the start (use doubloons  to convert all your Ship XP to Free XP ).
• commanders can be assigned from other ships of the same nation without penalty or retraining.
• A Default permanent camouflage.

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Premium_ships

 

We have that distinction for a couple of years now...

They even have different icons in the ship carousel in port...

God you are so full of it.

Do you really think I don't know what a premium ship is?

But thanks for sharing.

 

I will now go away with the knowledge that you are so far up Wargamings back end, you smell of you know what.

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

God you are so full of it.

Do you really think I don't know what a premium ship is?

But thanks for sharing.

 

I will now go away with the knowledge that you are so far up Wargamings back end, you smell of you know what.

That is not what I was explaining to you , but I guess you already forgot what you were asking about and just prefer to follow your personal fantasies...

[Sea_w0lf]

Do not complain about unfair MM, WR, Premium or tech tree  ships,  + - 2 tiers when the most of the players don't know the basics..

 

current brawls..

[Fuel_Inspector]

Once again I did some science on MM.

I played 12 games in tier 7 Helena, some solo and in division. 

The queue time never exceded 30 seconds and we were double uptiered 41.66% of the games. 

We never saw a pure tier 7 game. 

We got to bully tier 5's 33,33% of the games. 

And finally 25% were tier 8 games.

Dear WG, I don't mind getting that dank bonus XP for shooting two tiers higher but come on. 

I don't mind waiting a little for a better match.