Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Seraphice]

1 hour ago, SurfaceFish said:

@Seraphice

 

Can you please tell me where in the terms and conditions that support why I was banned for 'unsportsmanlike behaviour'? I don't seems to find the relevant section.

 

5.08 is interesting, care to share with us how many players are banned for stay at back of the map all game? Don't seems many as most BB in game does this without any repercussions. 

Hi please see the following rule:

12.2. Any types of contractual battles, i.e. match rigging, including deliberate losses (throwing games) or excessively passive behavior of both teams at once (forced draw) are prohibited.

 

As for 5.08, if you think that you see someone who should be punished according to this rule, I will repeat my post above, that you can contact our Customer Support for this, and that if you think that you got an insufficient reply or that proper action was not taken, please reach out to a Community Manager such as myself or my colleagues.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[ItsEyeJasper]

On 9/2/2022 at 6:45 PM, Takethatyoubeast said:

I’m sure some players don’t even look at the mini-map 🤦‍♂️ 

Mini Map Whats Mini Map?

 

[SurfaceFish]

43 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

there is a very big different between playing bad and intentionally suiciding.
 

If you cannot adhere to the rules of our game, then we take action.

Thanks for the clarification, I shall fearlessly charging into the enemy ships with guns balzing in my DD and bravely tank for the team from now on! 

 

I mean this happens to at least one DD in every game in the 1st 3 mins, I'm guess their ban did not produce any positive results?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

5 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Thanks for the clarification, I shall fearlessly charging into the enemy ships with guns balzing in my DD and bravery tank for the team from now on! 

 

I mean this happens to at least one DD in every game in the 1st 3 mins, I'm guess their ban did not produce any positive results?

Can you just stop playing this game? You are literally announcing your willingless to throw and play bad on purpose dont you see a problem with your behavior?

[SurfaceFish]

So should WG ban players for actions that haven't take place yet? 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, SurfaceFish said:

So should WG ban players for actions that haven't take place yet? 

Yes they can. Announcing upcoming actions to throw games is punishable. You seriously need to stop with this nonsense

[SurfaceFish]

13 minutes ago, L0VE_and_PE4CE said:

Yes they can. Announcing upcoming actions to throw games is punishable. You seriously need to stop with this nonsense

Sure, let's see what our dear CM does!

Why are you getting annoyed and dictating the rules, you don't even work for the company. 

 

You guys are taking this game too seriously, most people don't play for win or give 100% efferct for the whole match. 

The no of people who constantly throw games can easily be recognised with their stats. Feel free to look over my stats and tell me I'm someone who throw games.

 

There are far more bad players than people who goes into games just to throw. Good luck figure out the needle amount the haystack. 

 

Maybe WG should use the in game report system to ban players. This way there won't be any CV or subs left in game!

[Yosha_AtaIante]

7 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Sure, let's see what our dear CM does!

 

You guys are taking this game too seriously, most people don't play for win or give 100% efferct for the whole match. 

The no of people who constantly throw games can easily be recognised with their stats. Feel free to look over my stats and tell me I'm someone who throw games.

 

There are far more bad players than people who goes into games just to throw. Good luck figure out the needle amount the haystack. 

I seriously hope that you are removed permanently. You are clearly not playing this game for fun anymore, neither to try to win. Going around blaming every other thing but yourself for bad games. There are many players who succeed and have great games despite having suboptimal teammates. They found a way to influence those games to their advantage regardless. You simply can't do that and instead choose to ruin the games ON PURPOSE. That'S the difference between a bad player and you. They are playing to their ability but you are purposefully throwing games and to top it off going around talking about doing it. There is no reason to have you around

[SurfaceFish]

2 hours ago, L0VE_and_PE4CE said:

I seriously hope that you are removed permanently. You are clearly not playing this game for fun anymore, neither to try to win. Going around blaming every other thing but yourself for bad games. There are many players who succeed and have great games despite having suboptimal teammates. They found a way to influence those games to their advantage regardless. You simply can't do that and instead choose to ruin the games ON PURPOSE. That'S the difference between a bad player and you. They are playing to their ability but you are purposefully throwing games and to top it off going around talking about doing it. There is no reason to have you around

But show me the proof with stats please before advertising to ban a paying customer permanently. 

 

My account shows I have 64%WR in random so far this year on ProShip site and you seen my Ranked stats in the last page which is 60% WR right now.

 

So you think I'm someone throw games?

 

You also think WG should ban everyone who even complained about match making 🙄, since they are talking the game down?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, SurfaceFish said:

So you think I'm someone throw games?

Yes because a CM called you out on your actions. I don'T need to prove anything as they already gathered the prove they needed. Also paying customer? You always mention that your wallet is closed. You aren't fooling anyone. Thankfully the game is free of your presence for 2 weeks. Hopefully you fall into the same behavioral pattern and grant us your permanent removal

[SurfaceFish]

Lol, how do you know I was banned for two weeks?

Sorry to disappoint you. I'm back already from less than one day ban, so I'm guess WG don't see my action was too serious like you do. They definitely not bursting a blood vessel like you. 

 

I will save few hundred £ this year on Xmas containers for one day ban, good deal for me. WG already have the money I spent willingly. I was happy to support the company,  but yes my wallet is close for poor customer interaction. 

 

Guess you have to hall monitor someone else. 

 

[SurfaceFish]

1 hour ago, L0VE_and_PE4CE said:

Can you just stop playing this game? You are literally announcing your willingless to throw and play bad on purpose dont you see a problem with your behavior?

You should learn what tongue in cheek response means. But if you get enjoyment out of getting upset on WG's behalf, so be it. It's your blood pressure rising not my. 

 

For someone with your IGN, you definitely don't sound loving or peaceful on the forum. 

[flip_66]

2 hours ago, Seraphice said:

I will repeat my post above, that you can contact our Customer Support for this, and that if you think that you got an insufficient reply or that proper action was not taken, please reach out to a Community Manager such as myself or my colleagues

Just to get the same useless reply over and over again: 'Unfortunately, for data protection reasons, we cannot tell you what measures have been taken'.

 

It's a shame you're getting away with this.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, GordonsGekko said:

Just to get the same useless reply over and over again: 'Unfortunately, for data protection reasons, we cannot tell you what measures have been taken'.

 

It's a shame you're getting away with this.

There is a difference between punishing someone and telling everyone about it.

[Smegger213]

4 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Hi please see the following rule:

12.2. Any types of contractual battles, i.e. match rigging, including deliberate losses (throwing games) or excessively passive behavior of both teams at once (forced draw) are prohibited.

 

As for 5.08, if you think that you see someone who should be punished according to this rule, I will repeat my post above, that you can contact our Customer Support for this, and that if you think that you got an insufficient reply or that proper action was not taken, please reach out to a Community Manager such as myself or my colleagues.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Hi Seraphice, I want to draw your attention to an observation I found the other day.

It concerns mainly in World of Tanks, but it does apply in Warships too.

Claus Kellerman has done numerous Youtube videos recently concerning in game cheating.

Namely, the many web sites out there that advertise to level your account for you, including completing missions.

These web sites will promise to get you a tier 10 tank or ship, or complete the dockyard for you.

They advertise these paying services for both World of Tanks and World of Warships.

You pay them money and give them your account details and password.

Then they will play your account to get the missions done etc.

Claus Kellerman has engaged with some of these web sites via the chat help system they employ.

He got them to admit that they would form platoons or divisions and rig battles to complete missions.

EG they will form a platoon of tanks or ships. Then a player on the enemy team will farm damage from the platoon on the other side.

So, 3 tanks or ships will do nothing for your team except be a damage magnet for the other guy on the other team.

 

Off course all this is against Wargamings terms and conditions for World of Tanks and World of Warships.

Now, what I want to know is WHY WARGAMING DOES NOTHING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM.

I reported a web site called Overtank back in 2016 to Wargaming Player Support.

My ticket was answered with a promise to pass my info onto the relevant department for action.

Well, guess what, I reported this site back in 2016, yet the web site is still up and active today.

They featured in Claus Kellerman's latest Youtube video about cheaters.

Wargaming just do not care.

Meanwhile genuine players games are being ruined by these cheaters, with nothing done to stop them.

Can I suggest someone from Wargaming to go watch Claus's videos on cheaters.

[Eyes0re]

@SurfaceFish  You can always play cv's and superships and subs and grief within the rules.

It is superfun and not toxic at all :-D

Everybody loves these ships as the are balanced and superenjoyable to play against.

You can even play them badly and grief 23 other players per battle you are in, it is just wonderfull.

And WG will probably give you some more rewards as you will be be marketing their best ideas in the game.

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, Smegger213 said:

yet the web site is still up and active today.

WG has no power about a website being taken off the web. Only thing WG can do is try to find the players involved with RMT actions. But they can't do anything against the websites, software produced or people organizing such transactions. It's also really hard to detect said deliberate action ingame. I personally have yet to witness something that even looks as suspicious. There is basically nothing WG can do.

[SurfaceFish]

20 hours ago, LRCaesar said:

What ridiculous discussions. I read people who have very high ratings. Even over 70% wins. Ridiculous. You play in 12, you can not win more than 70% of the time. Not even if you are the best. Unless the game decides that you are among those who must win and puts you together with others who "must" win. And I've seen in battle that almost always these good players actually play their games by pacing back and forth with their ships showing their full flanks throughout the game, but strangely they suffer very little damage every time they are hit, and instead they make a lot of them even if they hit the opponents regularly positioned at 30 or 45 degrees. The MM deploys them in battle strangely almost always together, and they almost always play like that. And in the end, however, they win the battles. I wonder how this is possible. This is simply ridiculous.
The game is good, but there are too many weird things.

Sure you can, I'm only an average/decent player and I'm achieving 70%WR in solo CV this year and almost 70%WR in DD (some games are in divs) in random. Screenshot from proships.ru.

 

If you have high PR (pro alpha in my screenshot), XP and WR, it shows you are not just been carried to high WR, you had a positive contribution to the victory. 

 

I hate WG for giving me such bad MM and making me winning too many games, CV YOLO time!! 

[Smegger213]

2 minutes ago, L0VE_and_PE4CE said:

WG has no power about a website being taken off the web. Only thing WG can do is try to find the players involved with RMT actions. But they can't do anything against the websites, software produced or people organizing such transactions. It's also really hard to detect said deliberate action ingame. I personally have yet to witness something that even looks as suspicious. There is basically nothing WG can do.

Pretty sure that they could get them taken down.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, Smegger213 said:

Pretty sure that they could get them taken down.

thats not how this works. There is nothing illegal the website is doing. WG doesnt own the internet either.

[Smegger213]

Just now, L0VE_and_PE4CE said:

thats not how this works. There is nothing illegal the website is doing. WG doesnt own the internet either.

Look pal, I am not going to have a pointless argument with you.

I have reported it to Wargaming.

Lets leave it at that.

[SurfaceFish]

2 hours ago, Eyes0re said:

@SurfaceFish  You can always play cv's and superships and subs and grief within the rules.

It is superfun and not toxic at all :-D

Everybody loves these ships as the are balanced and superenjoyable to play against.

You can even play them badly and grief 23 other players per battle you are in, it is just wonderfull.

And WG will probably give you some more rewards as you will be be marketing their best ideas in the game.

 

Not a fan of sub game play, so not going to spend time learning that class.

 

I'm sure you can grief in any class, and sometimes other player's feels that you grieved them even if you just had a good game. Reported for coming top of winning team comes to mind. 

 

Personally I enjoy CV as it is a different mode, like a 2D board game that makes you think strategies of the whole map than just concentrate on fighting for local map dominance. You are trading resources (planes) to either help your team breaking though a flank or helps to delay the red strong flank. You are relying more on map reading to do well in CV than surface ships I found. Guess that's why enjoy both CV and DD class, you have freedom of moving around the map and it more about doing the correct dmg and not just farming dmg. 

[SurfaceFish]

Double post, sorry. 

[SurfaceFish]

7 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Hi please see the following rule:

12.2. Any types of contractual battles, i.e. match rigging, including deliberate losses (throwing games) or excessively passive behavior of both teams at once (forced draw) are prohibited.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

 

Hi, at the risk of my account been banned, I have a question on the definition of 'throwing games'. 

 

Here is a Ranked game I played a while ago. We were down on points, have no cap and only way to win is to torpedo yolo a schlieffen running away from me and then somehow kill a almost full health conquerer while torpedo is reloading in a low heath DD with no smoke left. Plus have to do this within 1 to 2 mins as the red team have 3 caps and over 900 points.  

 

I just stopped and shot at the water so the red team can kill me to make the game ends quicker. There was no point farming little extra dmg.

 

Now the question for the CM please, what is WG position in this situation, is this considered throwing game and a punishable offence when there was no chance of winning the game?  

 

[tsounts]

I have to say that golden league ranked is more than a nightmare! There are many times where players start in late, quite a few minutes after the match has started, sometimes even be afk...

There is the problem of players being in the qualification stage, usually horrible, that have to play matches with already qualified players (many times horrible as well).

 

Many other times I keep getting the same players on my team, even on different days so I suppose at this point not many are playing ranked?
 

People with many thousands of matches, above 5k, horrible winrates of 48% and below being toxic in chat and abusing short commands to the point it's out of hand...

If you dare saying a simple thing such as "if only I had some support from the bbs" gets you insta-reported! (harsh words?)