Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Yamashiro42]

7 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

What's "unsportsmanlike"? To die 1st on the team, to score less than certain basic XP. You going to ban yolo players now?

 

This is a game not prison!

Are you sure that you have read the terms of agreement that you made with WG when entering the game?

[SurfaceFish]

13 minutes ago, Yamashiro42 said:

Are you sure that you have read the terms of agreement that you made with WG when entering the game?

Sure, like everyone else, I paid £500 per hour for a lawyer to have the terms double checked everytime it changes!

 

This is a game of grinding, WG only cares the amount of time and money you spend. Otherwise the current Ranked will be designed with avg win or basic xp in mind. 

 

So yolo is against the term now? And what happens to players score less basic xp in ranked than me when I yolo, should they be banned or receive warnings?

 

Always easier to blame players and not WG for setting up Ranked as none skill based toxic game mode. 

[SurfaceFish]

20 minutes ago, Yamashiro42 said:

Did you consider moving all rewards in the bronze league from number of wins to particular ranks, or all of them to rank 1? Because exactly such player behaviour was my concern when the ranked rework was announced.

 

Or are you sure that the number of such players is insignificant and no measures except the usual customer support actions are required?

You do understand for us average players Ranked MM gives you games that are impossible to win. Coming top of lossing side means nothing when you just play for steel. 

 

Ask WG to come up with a better MM or reward system instead directing how players should spend their time in game. You do know the only difference between ranked and random is couple clicks of mouse button. 

 

Why do you expect avg players suddenly plays better in ranked than random? BB and DD yolo or BB run away to map boarders?

[ColonelPete]

18 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Always easier to blame players and not WG for setting up Ranked as none skill based toxic game mode. 

It is extremly easy when the players admit their toxic behaviour...

8 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

You do understand for us average players Ranked MM gives you games that are impossible to win. 

If it were impossible, you would not have won a single match. That is obviously not the case. Why lie?

[SurfaceFish]

11 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

It is extremly easy when the players admit their toxic behaviour...

If it were impossible, you would not have won a single match. That is obviously not the case. Why lie?

What are you taking about, you do know even AFK players dont have 0% WR right?

So players don't do anything still end up on the winning team. 

 

So I don't understand what is my lie?

 

I'm tired of try my best, finish top of lossing team and to see I'm the only one with basic xp greater than the lowest scorer on the winning team, then looking at players WR only to see the MM was stacked against my team. 

 

I don't expect you guys from purple clan to understand the frustration of try your best (Inc potato mistakes us avg player makes) and see the effort falls short game after game. Yes I know git gud will be your answer.   

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

So I don't understand what is my lie?

Claiming it is impossible to win.

7 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

I'm tired of try my best, finish top of lossing team and to see I'm the only one with basic xp greater than the lowest scorer on the winning team, then looking at players WR only to see the MM was stacked against my team. 

If you are tired of playing Ranked, do not play Ranked. Easy.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

12 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Yes I know git gud will be your answer.   

I want to ask.. what do you actually want to hear? What could anyone possibly tell you to make you feel better?

[SurfaceFish]

31 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Claiming it is impossible to win.

If you are tired of playing Ranked, do not play Ranked. Easy.

Like my above post said for US AVERAGE PLAYERS, there are impossible games MM gives you!

 

Even super unicums don't have 100%WR, so of course there are games MM gives you that are Impossible to win! So why is it a lie to say there are impossible to win games?! Good for you if you have 100% WR in Ranked. 

 

Sure I'll stop play because you said so, easy!

 

 

[SurfaceFish]

9 hours ago, L0VE_and_PE4CE said:

I want to ask.. what do you actually want to hear? What could anyone possibly tell you to make you feel better?

Nothing, I have stopped posting on this days ago, I'm only responding to what I think is over the top language from WG staff today. I understand the message but object the wording. 

 

The Community Manager should read how to win friends and influence people, so he can handle communicating with customers better.

 

I'd like to see ranked MM or reward charged to reflect avg win or basic XP. The MM is what it is, so I play accordingly, just treating it as random, so it has been less frustrating last couple of days. People here thinks you are committing some crime by not give your 100% effort. 

 

This is a game, so I set my expectations low now, which means Im playing "badly" by not tracking radar cruiser positions or constantly checking mini map. But it is more relaxing, so I do feel better thanks. Which I think it's more important than frustratingly chasing wins and stats. 

[ColonelPete]

34 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Like my above post said for US AVERAGE PLAYERS, there are impossible games MM gives you!

 

Even super unicums don't have 100%WR, so of course there are games MM gives you that are Impossible to win! So why is it a lie to say there are impossible to win games?! Good for you if you have 100% WR in Ranked. 

 

Sure I'll stop play because you said so, easy!

How do you know that a match is impossible to win?

 

And I did not say you should stop playing because of me, but because of how you feel.

[SurfaceFish]

9 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

How do you know that a match is impossible to win?

 

And I did not say you should stop playing because of me, but because of how you feel.

OK, my bad for misunderstanding. I do like to use tongue and cheek replies. 

 

MM monitor, which I stopped using now, more a curse than blessing. 

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

MM monitor, which I stopped using now, 

The MM monitor does not tell you how players will play, it tells you the past performance on that account, which is often not even statisticly relevant.

 

The MM monitor cannot consider:

• player changes
• moods
• illness/medication/...
• technical difficulties
• social circumstances (family, pizza delivery,...)

[LRCaesar]

What ridiculous discussions. I read people who have very high ratings. Even over 70% wins. Ridiculous. You play in 12, you can not win more than 70% of the time. Not even if you are the best. Unless the game decides that you are among those who must win and puts you together with others who "must" win. And I've seen in battle that almost always these good players actually play their games by pacing back and forth with their ships showing their full flanks throughout the game, but strangely they suffer very little damage every time they are hit, and instead they make a lot of them even if they hit the opponents regularly positioned at 30 or 45 degrees. The MM deploys them in battle strangely almost always together, and they almost always play like that. And in the end, however, they win the battles. I wonder how this is possible. This is simply ridiculous.
The game is good, but there are too many weird things.

[SurfaceFish]

Opened the game, a pop up said I’m banned (for a while). Cool back to RDR2.

 

I have all the ships I want with enough in game resources and premium time to last me YEARS, so my PayPal is closed to WG. I’m sure they won’t miss me, but still a little less profit for them.

 

What’s next dear Community Manager, you going to take my steel or ships away if I continue to play badly after this nap time you given me?

[SurfaceFish]

10 hours ago, Yamashiro42 said:

Did you consider moving all rewards in the bronze league from number of wins to particular ranks, or all of them to rank 1? Because exactly such player behaviour was my concern when the ranked rework was announced.

 

Or are you sure that the number of such players is insignificant and no measures except the usual customer support actions are required?

So I have overall 60% WR in Ranked and even with terrible MM last month, I’m still above 50% WR this season. So what is my “behaviour” got to do with it? I helps to carry more games than I lose.  

 

You want to dedicate how everyone should play by your standard and method? This is a sandbox game, MM throws players in to the box and its a free for all. DD yolo and BB boarder humping happens in every game. 

 

Why are you concerned to have large no of players above 50% WR in Ranked? I’m sure most of the players would be happier to have over 50% WR on their team instead of >45% WR players.

 

[ColonelPete]

7 hours ago, LRCaesar said:

What ridiculous discussions. I read people who have very high ratings. Even over 70% wins. Ridiculous. You play in 12, you can not win more than 70% of the time. Not even if you are the best. Unless the game decides that you are among those who must win and puts you together with others who "must" win. And I've seen in battle that almost always these good players actually play their games by pacing back and forth with their ships showing their full flanks throughout the game, but strangely they suffer very little damage every time they are hit, and instead they make a lot of them even if they hit the opponents regularly positioned at 30 or 45 degrees. The MM deploys them in battle strangely almost always together, and they almost always play like that. And in the end, however, they win the battles. I wonder how this is possible. This is simply ridiculous.
The game is good, but there are too many weird things.

Everyone has the same MM. And when you see people with more than 70% winrate, then one can obviously win that often...

[Yosha_AtaIante]

9 hours ago, SurfaceFish said:

So I have overall 60% WR in Ranked and even with terrible MM last month, I’m still above 50% WR this season. So what is my “behaviour” got to do with it? I helps to carry more games than I lose.  

 

You want to dedicate how everyone should play by your standard and method? This is a sandbox game, MM throws players in to the box and its a free for all. DD yolo and BB boarder humping happens in every game. 

 

Why are you concerned to have large no of players above 50% WR in Ranked? I’m sure most of the players would be happier to have over 50% WR on their team instead of >45% WR players.

 

Are you throwing on purpose ???

[SurfaceFish]

16 minutes ago, L0VE_and_PE4CE said:

Are you throwing on purpose ???

If I'm throwing on purpose, then my PR and dmg over last 21 days would have been in red, not just average. Just constantly bad MM with 1 or 2 more less than 45% WR players on my team than the otherside we can't overcome. 

 

Apart WR all my other stats over last 21 days are OK, so seems to me the low WR was not only due to my poor play. 

 

Been playing mostly DD, difficult for me to carry without support from team. So you have to take extra risks to fight for cap against red ships with backup. Maybe WG should ban those players less than 40% WR in Ranked than someone like me who is doing OK?

 

You know the ones constantly finishing last with less than 200 basic xp? But we all know WG don't care about bot accounts. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

you are blaming others so hard that you are blind to your own errors. the fact that you are banned speaks volumes. I hope you just stay banned at this point 

[SurfaceFish]

1 hour ago, L0VE_and_PE4CE said:

you are blaming others so hard that you are blind to your own errors. the fact that you are banned speaks volumes. I hope you just stay banned at this point 

I blaming random MM in Ranked when the objective is to win. This is a thread about MM right? The old Ranked systems sounds more balanced to skilled players. Too bad it's no longer available. 

 

You make it sounds I'm the only one in this long thread is unsatisfied with MM?

 

Sure pls go cry to the community manger to ban me longer for say anything unpatriotic about this game or company. Always find interesting people willing to blindly worship and support some faceless companies when they don't care a cent about you. 

 

WG has already lost me as a paid customer so make no difference to me if I cant play anymore. The reaon is I object to the language used by the CM here, even if you think the customers is wrong, condemning them like children is not how you deal with the situation. This is a game to goof around afterall, not the garden of Eden we cant leave. 

 

You know what, maybe I should be thankful that current MM at least gives me 40% WR. Based on how the WG "genius" staff balanced skill based brawls this patch. We know WG will make the situation worse by actually trying!

[SurfaceFish]

@Seraphice

 

Can you please tell me where in the terms and conditions that support why I was banned for 'unsportsmanlike behaviour'? I don't seems to find the relevant section.

 

5.08 is interesting, care to share with us how many players are banned for stay at back of the map all game? Don't seems many as most BB in game does this without any repercussions. 

[Eyes0re]

I geuss paragraph 5.05 should get all streamers banned?

[SurfaceFish]

5 minutes ago, Eyes0re said:

I geuss paragraph 5.05 should get all streamers banned?

And those clan divs MM sync dropped on the opposite teams! 

[Seraphice]

On 9/26/2022 at 2:38 PM, SurfaceFish said:

What's "unsportsmanlike"? To die 1st on the team, to score less than certain basic XP. You going to ban yolo players now?

 

"Tolerated" really, this is a free to play game, im not in a prison and you are my prison guard! You make it sound like this game is some kind of essential substance we can't go without. 

 

Ban my account, I'll just go and spend money on different games. 

there is a very big different between playing bad and intentionally suiciding.
 

If you cannot adhere to the rules of our game, then we take action.

 

23 hours ago, Yamashiro42 said:

Did you consider moving all rewards in the bronze league from number of wins to particular ranks, or all of them to rank 1? Because exactly such player behaviour was my concern when the ranked rework was announced.

 

Or are you sure that the number of such players is insignificant and no measures except the usual customer support actions are required?

It's certainly a discussion to be had, however there is also a balance between having it accessible for all people still, without them feeling like they are wasting time for rewards they wont get eventually. I still believe however that ranked should be a place where the focus should be on winning, and that is still shown by how rewards and progress is earned.

 

23 hours ago, SurfaceFish said:

Sure, like everyone else, I paid £500 per hour for a lawyer to have the terms double checked everytime it changes!

 

This is a game of grinding, WG only cares the amount of time and money you spend. Otherwise the current Ranked will be designed with avg win or basic xp in mind. 

 

So yolo is against the term now? And what happens to players score less basic xp in ranked than me when I yolo, should they be banned or receive warnings?

 

Always easier to blame players and not WG for setting up Ranked as none skill based toxic game mode. 

when you log into our game, and onto our forums, to tell everyone that you will intentionally suicide because you think the game is lost, only to make the experience worse for others, then yes, most certainly this is a problem.

Have you considered that this kind of behavior only contributes to what you call a "toxic game mode"?

I will admit, ranked is not perfect, however that behavior most certainly does not help.

 

23 hours ago, SurfaceFish said:

What are you taking about, you do know even AFK players dont have 0% WR right?

So players don't do anything still end up on the winning team. 

 

So I don't understand what is my lie?

 

I'm tired of try my best, finish top of lossing team and to see I'm the only one with basic xp greater than the lowest scorer on the winning team, then looking at players WR only to see the MM was stacked against my team. 

 

I don't expect you guys from purple clan to understand the frustration of try your best (Inc potato mistakes us avg player makes) and see the effort falls short game after game. Yes I know git gud will be your answer.   

Everyone will understand your struggles and frustrations. We have all been there, and we are all still there sometimes, even the best player in the world will be, but suiciding/yoloing is not the answer to your problem.

 

23 hours ago, SurfaceFish said:

Nothing, I have stopped posting on this days ago, I'm only responding to what I think is over the top language from WG staff today. I understand the message but object the wording. 

 

The Community Manager should read how to win friends and influence people, so he can handle communicating with customers better.

 

I'd like to see ranked MM or reward charged to reflect avg win or basic XP. The MM is what it is, so I play accordingly, just treating it as random, so it has been less frustrating last couple of days. People here thinks you are committing some crime by not give your 100% effort. 

 

This is a game, so I set my expectations low now, which means Im playing "badly" by not tracking radar cruiser positions or constantly checking mini map. But it is more relaxing, so I do feel better thanks. Which I think it's more important than frustratingly chasing wins and stats. 

It is in my interest to protect my community, and intentionally suiciding ruins the game experience for my community.

 

So I will put it out there, as I always will, that if you see things like this happen, such as unsportsmanlike conduct in battle, please report it to our customer support, and if you are not sure that you got a sufficient reply or that appropriate action was taken, please reach out to me or my colleagues.

 

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[NewHorizons_1]

WG:

5.05: Repetitive and excessive passive play

 

Also WG:

CVs & subs are fine, we're adding more of them.