Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Smegger213]

30 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

If a person can get lucky, so can everyone else...

... which applies to all the result and team screens we see in this thread...

But that has nothing to do with what I was stating pal.

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Smegger213 said:

But that has nothing to do with what I was stating pal.

But you said that a person can get lucky, but did not think (and for some reason still do not think) about the implications of that. Hardly my problem.

[Smegger213]

18 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

But you said that a person can get lucky, but did not think (and for some reason still do not think) about the implications of that. Hardly my problem.

Look, Bear posted a screenshot of a player who played 8 games in a Z 31, and got a 62% win rate over those 8 games.

 

All I said was that even a poor player could get lucky and win 62% games out of 8 played.

Now if that player had played say 50 straight games in a Z 31 and still got a 62% win rate over that many games.

Then that would be more as a result of skill rather than luck.

 

But you seem to be of the opinion, that you think I am banging on about some other subject that happens to include the word "LUCK".

 

NOW THAT IS HARDLY MY PROBLEM.

[ColonelPete]

27 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

All I said was that even a poor player could get lucky and win 62% games out of 8 played.

And the team setups and battle result screens are just one battle...

[Smegger213]

7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And the team setups and battle result screens are just one battle...

So what. Is there a point to all your rhetoric?

[Bear__Necessities]

1 hour ago, MarChil said:

It must have really hurt you, that wasn't the intention. Shame that the subtle parts do not reach you, you might have had a much better evening, maybe even a slight smile. 

You think I pay actual serious attention to what you type? You think a lot of yourself huh...

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

So what. Is there a point to all your rhetoric?

Just explaining to you the implications of your post...

[Smegger213]

19 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Just explaining to you the implications of your post...

There are no implications of my post.

 

How is stating that even a poor player that plays 8 straight games with one ship, could get lucky and win 62% of those games?

What is your problem with what I said?

[ColonelPete]

13 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

There are no implications of my post.

That is what you think, not surprised

 

14 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

How is stating that even a poor player that plays 8 straight games with one ship, could get lucky and win 62% of those games?

What is your problem with what I said?

I have absolutly no problem with your post. I am even glad you posted it and exposed all the whining screenshot posters in this thread

[Smegger213]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I have absolutly no problem with your post. I am even glad you posted it and exposed all the whining screenshot posters in this thread

Then why keep banging on about what I said?

Plus why keep trying to twist what I said into something that I didn't say?

 

I do agree with you though about the team make up screenshot posters in this thread.

Like I have said multiple times.

Its pointless complaining about team make up by player win rate, or any other stat for that matter.

WARGAMING WILL NEVER BRING IN A SKILL BASED MATCHMAKER.

 

By all means, complain about ship make up on the teams, or the number of DD's you got etc etc.

But don't bother complaining to Wargaming about Skill Based Matchmaking.

The complaints will fall on deaf ears.

[ColonelPete]

10 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

Then why keep banging on about what I said?

You are the one argueing with me...

[SurfaceFish]

After 1 month of 40% WR in Ranked playing DD. Personally I think mainly due to constantly ended up with team with 2 or 3 players with less than 45% WR. I give up trying, if MM gives me a worse team, I'll just yolo and die in 1st 3 mins and move on to a different DD. 

 

There is 0 point stay and fight a losing battle in ranked if you just play for steel. This is a much better usage of my time and not getting frustrated. 

 

If WG gives you an unbalanced team when the object is to win, just say F this and move on to another match. 

[SV_Kompresor]

1 hour ago, SurfaceFish said:

After 1 month of 40% WR in Ranked playing DD. Personally I think mainly due to constantly ended up with team with 2 or 3 players with less than 45% WR. I give up trying, if MM gives me a worse team, I'll just yolo and die in 1st 3 mins and move on to a different DD. 

 

There is 0 point stay and fight a losing battle in ranked if you just play for steel. This is a much better usage of my time and not getting frustrated. 

 

If WG gives you an unbalanced team when the object is to win, just say F this and move on to another match. 

You have smaland. One of the most OP DDs at that tier. Why would you not play that in ranked? I'm sure you could win more 

[SurfaceFish]

I don't even remember I have that boat, it's not part of my pinned ships so it's lost somewhere in port. Personally it's not the type of DD, more lack of support from team most of my games. There might be players able to carry 2 or 3 ships. I'm not in that group. 

 

This game is all about grinding, so abandon those lost cause matches and spend time on more even matched games is better use of my time in Ranked to grand steel. 

[Bear__Necessities]

10 hours ago, SurfaceFish said:

After 1 month of 40% WR in Ranked playing DD. Personally I think mainly due to constantly ended up with team with 2 or 3 players with less than 45% WR. I give up trying, if MM gives me a worse team, I'll just yolo and die in 1st 3 mins and move on to a different DD. 

 

There is 0 point stay and fight a losing battle in ranked if you just play for steel. This is a much better usage of my time and not getting frustrated. 

 

If WG gives you an unbalanced team when the object is to win, just say F this and move on to another match. 

Judging from your YY, Z-52 and Daring games in ranked. You my friends are doing something very very wrong with them in ranked. So, I'll offer this once. I would be happy to give you advice on how to get the best out of Z-52 and Daring in ranked matches as they are superb DD highly suited to the ranked environment. When I'm back at home, I could even upload some ranked DD games for you to watch and see if you can learn from them, or ask questions as to why I do what I do in them. 

 

 

[JohnMac79]

11 hours ago, SurfaceFish said:

After 1 month of 40% WR in Ranked playing DD. Personally I think mainly due to constantly ended up with team with 2 or 3 players with less than 45% WR. I give up trying, if MM gives me a worse team, I'll just yolo and die in 1st 3 mins and move on to a different DD. 

 

There is 0 point stay and fight a losing battle in ranked if you just play for steel. This is a much better usage of my time and not getting frustrated.

9 hours ago, SurfaceFish said:

This game is all about grinding, so abandon those lost cause matches and spend time on more even matched games is better use of my time in Ranked to grand steel. 

 

And this is the problem with the current version of ranked, people just speedrunning for resources and not caring about the match itself. Pre rework ranked was just better as it meant these people got nothing, which is what i think they deserve.

 

It is amazing how quickly things can change in ranked even when it looks like a complete loss. I have had several tonight where perseverence and a little intutition can completely reverse a loss into a win. The problem is people like you unfortunately, who only want to speedrun for steel...

[SurfaceFish]

So is people like me throwing matches and not those 3 40% to 45% WR players WG put on my team.

 

Why try hard when MM decides your team is almost certain to lose? When you get 0 rewards no matter where you finish on the lossing team?

 

I have the ability to help my team to win if I have decent support, but to carry 2 or 3 dead weights in ranked is beyond my ability. 

 

Why should I swimming against the tide of the almighty match making? Might as well just take it easy. This is a game, no reason to try hard against almost impossible odds.

 

Good for you if you can bet the odds, but us regular potatoes just want a 'fair' game, not ones rigged before battle starts. 

[SurfaceFish]

2 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Judging from your YY, Z-52 and Daring games in ranked. You my friends are doing something very very wrong with them in ranked. So, I'll offer this once. I would be happy to give you advice on how to get the best out of Z-52 and Daring in ranked matches as they are superb DD highly suited to the ranked environment. When I'm back at home, I could even upload some ranked DD games for you to watch and see if you can learn from them, or ask questions as to why I do what I do in them. 

 

 

Thank you kindly, I'm more than happy to learn, new to DD, only played 400 random games in that class. I found to be good in that class (far from there myself) you need to predict 2 to 5 mins ahead of where the red team is going, so you can position yourself before the red team get there.

 

I'd be grateful for any replays you have. DD is the most fun class for me right now, so like to shade few layers of my potato skin on that class. 

[JohnMac79]

25 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

So is people like me throwing matches and not those 3 40% to 45% WR players WG put on my team.

Your actions are part of the problem. You admit to yoloing to die when you deem matches lost from what sounds like the loading screen.

 

25 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Why try hard when MM decides your team is almost certain to lose? When you get 0 rewards no matter where you finish on the lossing team?

You only seem to care about 'rewards'. This reinforces my view that ranked should revert to how it used to be...

 

25 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

I have the ability to help my team to win if I have decent support, but to carry 2 or 3 dead weights in ranked is beyond my ability.

You never know if you dont try though do you. As i said, just tonight alone my team have managed to turn around what looked like a certain loss, down 2 or 3 ships, down on caps, yet we managed to win. Yoloing to go to the next game to farm steel is not helpful.

 

25 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Why should I swimming against the tide of the almighty match making? Might as well just take it easy. This is a game, no reason to try hard against almost impossible odds.

Again, the defeatist attitude.

 

25 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Good for you if you can bet the odds, but us regular potatoes just want a 'fair' game, not ones rigged before battle starts. 

But your stats are well above average, i think you are doing yourself a disservice. Im not a unicum player, but i at least i play to win rather than just rage quit because MatchMaker shows a sea of red before the game even loads...

 

9 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

DD is the most fun class for me right now, so like to shade few layers of my potato skin on that class. 

Its also probably the most important class in ranked, so 'yoloing' because you see a 45% WR player is just spoiling it for everyone else.

 

[SurfaceFish]

18 minutes ago, JohnMac79 said:

Again, the defeatist attitude

Could be frustration from a combination of lossing steak, poor team and poor decisions and positioning from me. T10 have the most counters against DD, I just don't have the skill and experience to play T10 DD well enough to carry the team. 

 

So I'm just going though the motions in Ranked, lose move on, if lucky enough to get a win, one less match to get the steel. 

 

I have no idea how the old ranked worked, did not play under the old system. I guess WG changed it to make it more accessible and have more players get involved?

[JohnMac79]

42 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

I have no idea how the old ranked worked, did not play under the old system. I guess WG changed it to make it more accessible and have more players get involved?

Yes, there were still three leagues but they were integrated into rank 22 to rank 1 and that was it for the season, and you got some rewards for each rank you achieved. The higher the rank the better the rewards (kind of). What they have done by getting more players involved however it just make it worse. I also dont know what league you are playing, but i wont play in gold league as it really does feel like a worse experience than silver. Thats where you will find the 12000 ranked match 42% WR players...

 

I do genuinely feel your frustration in some games, i even posted a screenshot here the other day of what really did turn out to be an impossible win.

 

 

All i can say is play to win, you might be surprised at how many games you can turn around, and its always satisfying.

 

I only really play DDs in ranked, maybe i could find a few replays too in which we managed to turn the tides of battle.

[Corpsetaker]

Hello,

 

From watching my mate play the problem in most ranked battles is people are stuck in a randoms mindset. You have DD's who obviously do not check to see if the enemy has radar cruisers and DD's who then just yolo straight for the cap. Then you have BB's who turn and start heading for the back or the nearest back island, the worst of these are German BB's that think they are going to snipe with their terrible dispersion. Teams that win ranked games move up as a whole team and cover each other. All it takes is one or two people on your team to turn and start heading for the back to secure your loss. In ranked you don't have time for long strategy because by that time half your team are sunk.

[Seraphice]

On 9/22/2022 at 1:02 PM, SurfaceFish said:

After 1 month of 40% WR in Ranked playing DD. Personally I think mainly due to constantly ended up with team with 2 or 3 players with less than 45% WR. I give up trying, if MM gives me a worse team, I'll just yolo and die in 1st 3 mins and move on to a different DD. 

 

There is 0 point stay and fight a losing battle in ranked if you just play for steel. This is a much better usage of my time and not getting frustrated. 

 

If WG gives you an unbalanced team when the object is to win, just say F this and move on to another match. 

please be aware that unsportsmanlike conduct will not be tolerated.

 

Fair seas!

[SurfaceFish]

1 hour ago, Seraphice said:

please be aware that unsportsmanlike conduct will not be tolerated.

 

Fair seas!

What's "unsportsmanlike"? To die 1st on the team, to score less than certain basic XP. You going to ban yolo players now?

 

"Tolerated" really, this is a free to play game, im not in a prison and you are my prison guard! You make it sound like this game is some kind of essential substance we can't go without. 

 

Ban my account, I'll just go and spend money on different games. 

[Yamashiro42]

20 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

please be aware that unsportsmanlike conduct will not be tolerated.

 

Fair seas!

Did you consider moving all rewards in the bronze league from number of wins to particular ranks, or all of them to rank 1? Because exactly such player behaviour was my concern when the ranked rework was announced.

 

Or are you sure that the number of such players is insignificant and no measures except the usual customer support actions are required?