Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Smegger213]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

How does a bad gaming experience make you spend money?

 

Maybe car manufacturers should listen to you and offer more bad cars, that people want to spend money on better cars that are horrible too and want to make them spend even more...

Maybe he means that he is having such a bad time playing normal tech tree ships.

He may think that Wargaming are making him feel that the only way to have any fun in this game, is to put your hand in your pocket and buy a premium ship.

[Dutchy_2019]

23 hours ago, Diarant said:

Iam relative new here on this game...so bare with me.

I was wondering kind common themes around here also. Its so frustrating that you survive most of the enemy ships and there there are two cv's in furthers corner. What can you do?

Well anyway why cant MM include some preferred choices options?

For example you could choose if you want cv's on play or not,  subs or not etc.. Also for beginners like me, it seems that i mostly fighting not against regular tier ships but all those special ships, which all seems to have longer firing range, better gimmicks (heals and radars etc.) So i could also choose to fight tier ships instead of those special ships, which then could fight each other. 

 

Two CV games are just plain stupid - fully agree with you there. AND EU actually is not that bad, compared to Asia and some time slots on the NA server.

 

Preferred choices for MM would massively increase cue times (just as many of the other proposed solutions). Not sure too many people would be happy to wait 10 minutes for a game.

 

As far as you facing premium ships. They are slightly different, but, with some exceptions (quite a few actually no longer available and slowly decreasing in numbers in the game as players leave), none are significantly better than Tech Tree ships (and quite a few actually worse). MOST of these Premium ships you can also get for free resources (evetually), coal / Free XP / steel / Research Bureau points / gold. There are VERY few that are cash-only. The biggest reason why players play Premium Ships: they are (re-)training captains to get hem on other ships / swapping their best captains around (true), they think they are in the best ship in the game (which often is an illusion), and Premium Ships earn more credits (true).

 

Many would rate Bismarck (Tech Tree - has hydro) better than Tirpitz (no hydro but torpedos) and actually the best German T8 BB.

Nürnberg is the T6 Tech Tree, which is completely different (and arguably better) than the Premium (Graf Spee).

Radar only appears on Premium Ships when they appear on Tech Tree ships also (exception is Atlanta at T7).

Most people would take Nagato (Tech Tree) over Ashitaka (Premium).

One of the strongest premiums (Massachussetts) is only middle of the pack in firing-range.

 

Usually the gimmick certain (premium) ships get is off-set by certain limitations.

 

Seriously if you have so much trouble - spend time in T4, T5 and T6 across various lines, and learn the game there. You will benefit when grinding down, and you will learn to deal with premiums.

 

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

15 hours ago, Smegger213 said:

Maybe he means that he is having such a bad time playing normal tech tree ships.

He may think that Wargaming are making him feel that the only way to have any fun in this game, is to put your hand in your pocket and buy a premium ship.

That would be his personal problem. It is so easy to get premium ships for free and check that theory.

 

The legion of Tirpitz owners, that complains about the ship says "hi"...

[Smegger213]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That would be his personal problem. It is so easy to get premium ships for free and check that theory.

 

The legion of Tirpitz owners, that complains about the ship says "hi"...

Perhaps you should rephrase that answer.

You should have said "Its easy to get a low or mid tier premium for free".

 

It takes a long time to grind enough coal or Free XP for a higher tier premium ship.

Or it takes a long time, if you don't play many games per session.

It took me a very long time to get the Nelson and Yoshino.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Smegger213 said:

Perhaps you should rephrase that answer.

You should have said "Its easy to get a low or mid tier premium for free".

 

It takes a long time to grind enough coal or Free XP for a higher tier premium ship.

Or it takes a long time, if you don't play many games per session.

It took me a very long time to get the Nelson and Yoshino.

Why? Are low or mid Tier premiums ships not premium ships? Is your interpretation of his theory only about high Tier premium ships?

[Smegger213]

11 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Why? Are low or mid Tier premiums ships not premium ships? Is your interpretation of his theory only about high Tier premium ships?

Why is it so hard for you to understand where I am coming from?

 

It costs 40,000 coal to get the Tier 6 DD Anshan.

But it costs 228,000 coal to get the Tier 9 BB Pommern.

 

So it will take the average player a lot longer to grind the coal for the tier 9, than it would to get the tier 6.

That is obvious, to any normal player. But you stated that its easy to get premium ships for free.

Well, its a damn site easier to get a tier 6 premium ship for free, against getting a tier 9 one.

 

But I could dip my hand in my pocket and get a premium ship for Gold or Real Money in the Premium Shop.

That is what Wargaming would love me to do.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Smegger213 said:

Why is it so hard for you to understand where I am coming from?

 

It costs 40,000 coal to get the Tier 6 DD Anshan.

But it costs 228,000 coal to get the Tier 9 BB Pommern.

 

So it will take the average player a lot longer to grind the coal for the tier 9, than it would to get the tier 6.

That is obvious, to any normal player. But you stated that its easy to get premium ships for free.

Yes, it is or is Tier VI premium not a premium?

[Smegger213]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Yes, it is or is Tier VI premium not a premium?

 

Read what I said.

Did I say anything about any non premium ships?

 

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You should have said "Its easy to get a low or mid tier premium for free"

No, I do not mention any non premium ships.

Do you not understand that it would take longer to get a 40000 coal premium ship, than to get 228,000 coal premium ship?

[ColonelPete]

39 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

 

Read what I said.

Did I say anything about any non premium ships?

I did not say you did either...

Looks like this is one of these cases where people read stuff I did not write...

[Smegger213]

24 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I did not say you did either...

Looks like this is one of these cases where people read stuff I did not write...

So you did not write the below quote? Interesting.

3 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Why? Are low or mid Tier premiums ships not premium ships? Is your interpretation of his theory only about high Tier premium ships?

Are low or mid tier premium ships not premium ships? I never said anything of the sorts.

Oh and I was not interpreting anybodies theory in the first place.

 

You said that it is easy to get a premium ship for free.

I was just stating the fact that its easier to get a mid tier premium ship for free (coal).

But it will take a lot longer to get the coal to get a high tier premium ship.

 

[DrSpider]

It doesnt matter how much the tiers or consumables or anything is  correctly, if not someone throws in experience and winrate in the matchmaking.

I have played 8 battles today , and in all of them one team, more or less totally, wiped out the other team. And since i lost 7 of them i started checking the win rate of players and if make the bold assumption that win rate has anything to do with skill - or more money or more cheats but it doesn't matter - then the four latest matches ( that i could see after logging out after game 4 )

was hilariously uneven.

The teams that lost ( my teams ) had average 48 % win rate and the winning teams was up at 51 %

SLAUGHTERHOUSE is a word that describes those fights ... and  I don't think that is satisfying for anyone.
After a streak of losses like that , I am on the verge of throwing the game out.

If WG can fix that issue everybody would be happier , I'm sure. maybe they could make tiers of captains (1 - 10) and let the mm put captains in adjacent tiers in the same battles. Or just use an algorithm toeven out the matches.
Cause even games are more fun. More fun attracts more players. And WG wants more players, right?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

5 minutes ago, DrSpider said:

It doesnt matter how much the tiers or consumables or anything is  correctly, if not someone throws in experience and winrate in the matchmaking.

I have played 8 battles today , and in all of them one team, more or less totally, wiped out the other team. And since i lost 7 of them i started checking the win rate of players and if make the bold assumption that win rate has anything to do with skill - or more money or more cheats but it doesn't matter - then the four latest matches ( that i could see after logging out after game 4 )

was hilariously uneven.

The teams that lost ( my teams ) had average 48 % win rate and the winning teams was up at 51 %

SLAUGHTERHOUSE is a word that describes those fights ... and  I don't think that is satisfying for anyone.
After a streak of losses like that , I am on the verge of throwing the game out.

If WG can fix that issue everybody would be happier , I'm sure. maybe they could make tiers of captains (1 - 10) and let the mm put captains in adjacent tiers in the same battles. Or just use an algorithm toeven out the matches.
Cause even games are more fun. More fun attracts more players. And WG wants more players, right?

After checking your stats you actually did not play any battles in the last 21 days. I saw already that you have 2 more alt accounts though but those are obviously failing as is your main account.

 

Let's say it like this.

 

If your teams have a winrate of on average 48% then your contribution with your own 49% winrate is nothing to brag about. How about you improve yourself first before blaming everything else around you?

[SV_Kompresor]

6 hours ago, Smegger213 said:

It takes a long time to grind enough coal or Free XP for a higher tier premium ship.

Or it takes a long time, if you don't play many games per session.

It took me a very long time to get the Nelson and Yoshino.

I mean.....they're high tier. It takes about as long to get them as it does getting that first tech tree ship of equivalent tier. And even then, most aren't straight up better. Nobody should expect a tier 9 freemium 2 months into the game.

 

And if they truly are dumb enough to go buy them early, it's very likely that their wr will drop even further. Pay to lose is what it is.

[Smegger213]

45 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

I mean.....they're high tier. It takes about as long to get them as it does getting that first tech tree ship of equivalent tier. And even then, most aren't straight up better. Nobody should expect a tier 9 freemium 2 months into the game.

 

And if they truly are dumb enough to go buy them early, it's very likely that their wr will drop even further. Pay to lose is what it is.

I wasn't expecting to get a high tier premium ship for coal quickly.

I know how long it can take to grind out over 200,000 coal.

 

I was countering Mr Pete's claim that it was easy to get a premium ship for free.

It is easy, if you want a tier 3 to 6 premium ship for free (coal).

But it is not easy to get a higher tier premium ship for free (coal).

[SV_Kompresor]

10 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

I wasn't expecting to get a high tier premium ship for coal quickly.

I know how long it can take to grind out over 200,000 coal.

 

I was countering Mr Pete's claim that it was easy to get a premium ship for free.

It is easy, if you want a tier 3 to 6 premium ship for free (coal).

But it is not easy to get a higher tier premium ship for free (coal).

I mean pete is pete. It's his life purpose to take everything completely literally. It's a forum meme.

[ColonelPete]

27 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

I was countering Mr Pete's claim that it was easy to get a premium ship for free.

It is easy, if you want a tier 3 to 6 premium ship for free (coal).

But it is not easy to get a higher tier premium ship for free (coal).

You were trying that.

It is a personal choice to go for the most expensive ships to test a theory. If you just need a premium ship to test a theory, that is easily done, as I said.

14 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

I mean pete is pete. It's his life purpose to take everything completely literally. It's a forum meme.

That depends on what is posted, which in turn makes your post untrue.

[deathsadow]

23 hours ago, Smegger213 said:

Maybe he means that he is having such a bad time playing normal tech tree ships.

He may think that Wargaming are making him feel that the only way to have any fun in this game, is to put your hand in your pocket and buy a premium ship.

 

Well probably it works this way for most player. On me it has the oppostie effect , this MM is just so much of a letdown that i wouldnt spend a dime on the game cause i know that in a week i would regret it.  But im short of fine with this screwed MM , probably if the MM would be skill based i would buy 1-2 prem ship each year ... instead i spent that money on my other hobbies like Airsoft and Photographing , which are probably better worth it anyways than some pixel ships.

 

8 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

That would be his personal problem. It is so easy to get premium ships for free and check that theory.

 

The legion of Tirpitz owners, that complains about the ship says "hi"...

Yeah unlike in WoT here you can get premiums without grinding 24/7 in a marathoon. I got 36 premium ship on the T6-9 & the only one i paid for was the Cossak ( get the ship for 1 EUR was a bargain).

 

And Derpizt and Pommern players are the main indicator that buying a prem will not get you better. Maybe the only T8 prem i consider a skill booster is the Massa ... even if you are really bad those 2nds will get you much better resoults than if you would be on the NC ( NC main guns are more accurate ... but for a potato player im not even sure if that even helps )

 

[SV_Kompresor]

20 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That depends on what is posted, which in turn makes your post untrue.

It does not.

[Smegger213]

18 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You were trying that.

It is a personal choice to go for the most expensive ships to test a theory. If you just need a premium ship to test a theory, that is easily done, as I said.

That depends on what is posted, which in turn makes your post untrue.

I wasn't testing any sort of theory.

It was you that said its easy to get a premium ship for free.

Well, it is if its a tier 3 to 6 premium ship for coal.

Not so much for the higher tier premiums for coal.

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

It was you that said its easy to get a premium ship for free.

As it is.

[Pukovnik7]

On 8/18/2022 at 12:20 PM, lup3s said:

Couple of days ago I won nearly all my battles .. do I have to blame MM now ? 

Yes. I always blame MM whenever I get a streak of luck - be it good or bad luck. Because, frankly, I'm an average player so I should basically be winning half the battles. If I win 75% battles in a day, or lose 75% battles in a day - it is MM.

On 8/19/2022 at 9:05 PM, deathsadow said:

Usually i play for the maxium base exp

That is literally the worst thing you can do...

[deathsadow]

14 minutes ago, Pukovnik7 said:

Yes. I always blame MM whenever I get a streak of luck - be it good or bad luck. Because, frankly, I'm an average player so I should basically be winning half the battles. If I win 75% battles in a day, or lose 75% battles in a day - it is MM.

That is literally the worst thing you can do...

Why , probably as an avg player you have way more controll over the bxp gains than on your WR. Im an 53% WR avg dude some days i win 70-80% of my games some days I win around 20-30%  ... the only constant seem to be the bxp i gain on losses and wins on the short term like 100 games ( around a months play in my case) , so i play for the base exp aswell. Maybe if i would tryhard for win in can get a 1% more win rate so maybe one game i would get 600-700 more BXP out of the 100 , but even if by farming for base exp i can get like 10 exp more each of the 100 rounds ..which isnt all that hard to get im already better rewarded than playing for the win.

 

Im not saying that im not trying to win , i just probably play more deffensive in early to mid game than what would be optimal for turning games for my team  ... so i can grab caps and kills in the late-mid game for a large sum of exp.  Also i usually focus low max HP targets .. hitting a 5k salvo into a 50k HP cruiser worth double the exp than hitting the same salvo to a 100k HP BB.

 

 

[DrSpider]

6 hours ago, Youshanai said:

After checking your stats you actually did not play any battles in the last 21 days. I saw already that you have 2 more alt accounts though but those are obviously failing as is your main account.

 

Let's say it like this.

 

If your teams have a winrate of on average 48% then your contribution with your own 49% winrate is nothing to brag about. How about you improve yourself first before blaming everything else around you?

LOL why are you lying ? you apparently havent checked crap ! and there is no bragging involved just a staement that captains are more important than tiers and if it is of interest for the community that everyone should have balanced games they should look at a system of matchmaking that even out the team strengths of captains. Im pretty sure the best players can beat my tier 10 [edited]with a tier 8 ship

Get out of my face or read the text again and do at least one try to understand what i am saying.





 

[JohnMac79]

Can i just ask why i wait less than 30 seconds late on to get put in a match with uneven ship classes or 7 or 8 per side?

 

Why cant we wait 1 or 2 minutes and get a decent game? 7 or 8 per side with CV and subs while one team gets not only 1 extra bb, but also 1 extra dd than the other side? What is this crappy MM? I get it, there are less people on at night, but im sure most people would be fine waiting an extra 30 seconds to 1 min late at night to get a balanced/full game (well as balanced as the game can get, at least have mirrored teams...).

[SkipperCH]

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